Yajin Tensei: Karate Survivor in Another World - Vol. 9 Ch. 59 - Guildmaster

[Quarterdane]

...So did I misunderstand, and the mention of trying what Yajin told 'em wasn't in reference to the drum tanning that's explained right after, or were there pages in the wrong order (or the mangaka forgot to properly indicate a flashback)?

 

[readingsit]

I feel that Yajin just straight up declining the offer was a mistake; he should have listed his concerns and then guided the conversation towards an outcome that was acceptable for him with the knowledge that the Physician's guild wants the knowledge on how to gather the famour herb. Instead, by declining, the ball was sent right back to the guildmaster's camp who could proceed with another demand while implying that refusal for that would not be acceptable. Even then, he could have accepted while setting a condition that the adventurer's guild should be involved for these negotiations (through a request to the adventurer's guild or something). There weren't any details on what form gratitude from the physician's guild would entail.

Yajin understands the importance of intel for an adventurer, so he really should have been trying to ask about how they had learned that he was the one who had delivered the famour herb, and then tried to guide the conversation towards something like having a deal made between the adventurer's guild and the physician's guild so that, if a deal is reached, it will have the approval of both guilds and he won't have to worry about reprisal from either side. Though there is always the danger that if a deal falls through (if the adventurer's guild feels that they have a good hand, they might be too greedy) then he'll still be in danger, but since the guildmaster offered to poach him, I think Yajin had the necessary leverage to make both guilds reach a compromise.

Yajin mentioned the adventurer's guild wouldn't take it lightly for him to get poached by the physician's guild, but isn't there the same issue with an adventurer's knowledge being poached? Maybe the adventurer's guild has a more hands-off approach to their guildmembers in terms of getting their knowledge?

Well, we'll see next chapter who these two guys are, but there sure are a lot of people interested in Yajin. He sure has trouble keeping a low profile. XD

Well said, having a noble patron is valuable he really should have at least tried to remedy the situation by talking about his issues with the deal and coming to a compromise. The guild treated him like crap, gave away his information, and then he crawls back to them without even trying to negotiate? Honestly he ended up looking pretty pathetic after this one.
Author probably just wanted to move onto a different town and rushed things a bit and it ended up messy

 

[Zykeroth]

I understand this being a really cutthroat and hostile environment, but aren't people being a little too comfortable around an adventurer doing this for a promotion? Meaning, the guy has some serious skills and strength to get this far. Yajin can't really take on a squad of trained knights, but those knights don't hunt powerful monster for a living either.

 

[EarlofMillenium]

No doubt the Leatherworking guild is here/is showing up soon.

 

[Mineta_The_Grapist]

I'm surprised the guildmaster didn't insist that yajin stay with them. I guess he could always just have several of the guild members follow him at all times.

Yeah, I doubt he is in deep enough with them yet. You're talking about initiating a guild war to protect some guy who got into town a week ago.
Him being "the new guy in town", and a person of value, is what's causing the conflict to escalate so quickly everytime.
In a cut throat world, nobody is sticking there neck out very far for a stranger. He'll take a side, die, or leave... just like the hundreds of others before him... and life will go on.

 

[stainx]

Oh shit its ornstein and smough ,

 

[sanctuary]

To be honest while I find entertaining reading some of the comments I wonder if there's any merit on looking for a thorough rationale behind the author's decision regarding worldbuilding and how he sets up the power structures in his fantasy world. Sure, it's "medieval fantasy" but that doesn't mean he has to do a 1:1 map between what was known of medieval Europe and his own creation. Thankfully there's room for creativity or impromptu decisions made to steer the plot.

 

[MidnightTide]

mc usually don't hesitate to kill and abandon the place, but now he become complacent why is that?

When I was younger I used to bush wack (still do but only a couple times a year now). Living out in the woods without society comforts is ROUGH. I imagine he wants to be able to take it easy for a bit. Not having to worry about shelter, food every day is nice.

 

[broadsword80]

I don't see him working for free. They will pay him for his services. They probably don't want to pay too much to an outsider, but since they only need to do it once, as it's about teaching their own people, it doesn't really matter in the long run.

I don't think they have any intention of honoring their end of the deal. Yajin's a nobody and this town's familiar with violence as it is. A missing outsider probably isn't unusual.

I feel Yajin thinks the same because he's trying to buy time to prepare.

 

[gundulgondrong]

wtf askeladd?

 

[Luke_chase]

Not a single chapter of rest for this poor chap

 

[Kaarme]

I don't think they have any intention of honoring their end of the deal. Yajin's a nobody and this town's familiar with violence as it is. A missing outsider probably isn't unusual.

I feel Yajin thinks the same because he's trying to buy time to prepare.

He noted, himself, that they might want to remove him so that he can't spread the knowledge any further, once he has taught the guild personnel the tricks. However, why would Yajin teach them anything if they don't pay? Maybe they intend to rob the money back from his corpse, but clearly they must agree on the terms on the surface, even if the end game is to kill him. The guild guys weren't born yesterday, so if Yajin offers to teach them for free, it's an alarm bell for them. If Yajin tries to negotiate for the highest price and a part of it paid beforehand, the guild people instead will relax.

 

[Isobe-jan]

Page ordering feels a bit weird in this chapter. Doesn't flow so well.

 

[Intrigbagarn]

mc usually don't hesitate to kill and abandon the place, but now he become complacent why is that?

He needs time for the armor and equipment to finnish. While he is strong ge cant beat multiple heavy armed guards.

 

[Crimsonak]

They do, they built that base themselves, after all. The tip Yajin gave them was a tanning drum which is an invention from the industrial revolution. That's the thing, actually - they were useful, because the rotation was handled by machinery. Even if they make a great wooden drum, it's usefulness is debatable, since they'd have to rotate it by hand (probably some pulley system). This greatly limits the possible capacity, as well as makes for a heck of a job, given how long the process takes. Unless you hook it up to a natural source of mechanical work, like the wind or a river. That however is probably far out of their scope and would not be really realistic in the middle of the city.

Industrial revolution yes, but several overlooked factors.
It only became a thing because demand was massively outstripping demand, and other sectors were seeing production growth.

To say the rotation is handled by machinery is borderline useless, so was everything else they were competing against.
The key part is not in the method of rotation, but in that the rotation increases the tannin penetration.

 

[finalm]

Industrial revolution yes, but several overlooked factors.
It only became a thing because demand was massively outstripping demand, and other sectors were seeing production growth.

That was the case with just about every invention or improvement of the period. Not sure what you mean by overlooked, since I'm talking about the means, not the reasons for using them.

To say the rotation is handled by machinery is borderline useless, so was everything else they were competing against.
The key part is not in the method of rotation, but in that the rotation increases the tannin penetration.

What do you mean "useless"? I pointed out that operating a tanning drum during the IR was feasible because of the machines, which are notably absent in the setting of this story. Meaning they'd be pretty much stuck with operating it fully manually, which makes the feasibility debatable - do you disagree with this statement?

Yes, the rotating drum speeds up tanning, that's the whole point of even bringing it up. So does a fully automated one, with modern improvements for the process to go more evenly. Do you think there's any point in trying to implement the latter in this setting? I would hope not, they're missing key technology. My point is, the same can pretty much be said about the former. Without a way to rotate it other than human muscle power, it's just not practical.

 

[The_Lamb]

...So did I misunderstand, and the mention of trying what Yajin told 'em wasn't in reference to the drum tanning that's explained right after, or were there pages in the wrong order (or the mangaka forgot to properly indicate a flashback)?

If you mean page 13, I think Emma is referring to the "3D construction" method. That's the literal translation, I started using "layered processing" instead. I think this is a reference to the leather panels being joined in a way that hides the seams.

Page ordering feels a bit weird in this chapter. Doesn't flow so well.

It's one of those chapters where a lot is happening "off screen". For this manga it's a major thing that you often have to pay very close attention to what the author is alluding to - it's one of the reasons I like translating it, because I anyway have to think very carefully about what is being shown, and what is being suggested as having happened but isn't shown. In this chapter there are multiple time jumps, particularly in the conversations he has with the leatherworkers. Case in point, it jumps from Yajin saying he saw a TV program, to him waking up in the morning - but it doesn't actually show you that he stayed the whole night in their workshop.

Without a way to rotate it other than human muscle power, it's just not practical.

I doubt it's what the author will use here, because this is the kind of thing he normally hand-waves away, but there are two methods available to them already in-world. Animal power - having an ox or donkey work a wheel is almost as old as the pyramids. Or, even easier, a genuine historical method for cleaning rusty chainmail is to put it in a barrel with some cleaning agent and roll it down a big hill.

 

[subliminal]

That was the case with just about every invention or improvement of the period. Not sure what you mean by overlooked, since I'm talking about the means, not the reasons for using them.


What do you mean "useless"? I pointed out that operating a tanning drum during the IR was feasible because of the machines, which are notably absent in the setting of this story. Meaning they'd be pretty much stuck with operating it fully manually, which makes the feasibility debatable - do you disagree with this statement?

Yes, the rotating drum speeds up tanning, that's the whole point of even bringing it up. So does a fully automated one, with modern improvements for the process to go more evenly. Do you think there's any point in trying to implement the latter in this setting? I would hope not, they're missing key technology. My point is, the same can pretty much be said about the former. Without a way to rotate it other than human muscle power, it's just not practical.

it's just not practical

Dog spit.

 

[finalm]

I doubt it's what the author will use here, because this is the kind of thing he normally hand-waves away, but there are two methods available to them already in-world. Animal power - having an ox or donkey work a wheel is almost as old as the pyramids. Or, even easier, a genuine historical method for cleaning rusty chainmail is to put it in a barrel with some cleaning agent and roll it down a big hill.

The first one might work, provided you can keep the animal working constantly, which is quite a job by itself and will probably run it ragged just like field work. The second is out of the question - this is a lengthy process, it lasts at least a whole day to be effective, earlier prototypes would need multiples of that. You don't want to carry a hudndret kilo loaded drum up a mountain again and again, at this point it's better to just rotate it by hand.

 

[finalm]

Dog spit.

Not a very compelling argument. Is that all?