Yuukyuu no Gusha Asley no, Kenja no Susume: to, Pochi no Daibouken - Vol. 4 Ch. 21

[Levanah]

@raos044

In most societies committing forgery with regards to contracts is an actual crime. I'm baffled that you would think it isn't. Yes the contract is dogshit(and will eventually be revealed to be absolutely terrible iirc), but it's apparently considered acceptable in this particular fictional society. Considering Irene and the other guy's position, they had justification to get Asley and Rina expelled.

@ae0n

That wasn't really memory alteration, it was forced obedience and it only worked on familiars because it was technically an altered familiar subjugation spell.

 

[raos044]

@Levenah In most societies such a dogshit contract being forced on people on their first day, who don't even really understand what they are signing away, to the point of practically being forced to die for them if asked (outside military service, but usually you know what you're getting into with that at the time of the contract signing), wouldn't really be legal either. Most societies have blackmail as a crime as well. I'm not sure our modern standards really apply here. This is a pretty backwards medieval fantasy setting (made even further backwards from the fact their society has fallen quite a bit sometime in the last 5000 years), so i don't think we can use our modern logic to assert one way or other what is considered a crime or not without it being stated in the work. Plenty of fantasy settings allow shady stuff like slavery, corruption, kidnapping and even sometimes murder as perfectly normal in their society. Besides there probably isn't anyone who has ever successfully modified a magic contract before, so they probably never had to bother making a law against it. Loli teacher seemed really surprised about it when she found out. So far he's only been told "he would be in trouble" if anyone found out, which could mean a lot of things. No one has mentioned anything about legal judgement or laws. If there was laws against it I would think they would've tried to blackmail him with that instead of expulsion. Calling his actions a crime is too quick a judgement to make here. It just seems like you are trying really hard to make his actions seem really bad so their actions seem like a good thing. Nobody is completely clean in this situation, but without more context from the work, it is currently unclear which of them have undertaken actions that can be considered criminal in the legal sense.

 

[aFFi]

@Levanah

Which is extremely different from "Oh, so he's so powerful that an actual nuclear bomb is like popping a zit in comparison". You're trolling, he's powerful but not in the "I can do whatever the hell I want and no one can stop me category". Fuck off.

I used what is called "hyperbole". It wasn't supposed to be taken literally. It's a method generally used to exaggerate part of an argumentation to make a point.
Seriously, what could be literally so powerful that a nuke would be considered like nothing... that was an obviously intended overstatement.
And the "Fuck off" part was really unnecessary. So much so that it paints you as a simpleton, and this will be my last reply to your contrarian rhetoric. Welcome to my blocked list.

The word is used more in negative connotations regardless.

I don't care what it's used more as. It literally means "Magic King".
People usually use "Literally" to mean "Figuratively"... "Literally" still means "Precisely" or "Verbatim"...

Which isn't what's happening here. They literally just gave him an easy out for committing a fucking crime by having him join the student council, and they had a good reason for doing it too(keeping power dynamics between the factions balanced).

The principal clearly stated and showed that she isn't doing this for the "balance", but purely for personal gain (she wants to learn from him, that's is).
Also, the contract wasn't edited after the fact, he did it before signing... Which isn't a crime. If you don't read a contract before signing, you're at fault.
Also a contract is supposed to be between two parties, this one isn't. It just states total submission from the only party actually signing it.

They didn't ask him to do anything unreasonable. Hell, they didn't even ask him to re-do the shitty contracts. All they wanted him to do was take up a position of authority within the school that he was normally supposed to get anyway given that he's a top student. You're acting like they raped his asshole with no lube or something.

They didn't ask him to do anything unreasonable YET. Well, except stalking him, forcing him into fighting three people, forcing him to reveal his magic to steal it and forcing him in a role he'd already refused.
And my comparision was around psychological peer pressure, not physical violence. Your last point is a bit strange.

Both Asley and the two leaders held back in this chapter, way too much in my opinion.

They pretty much did anything to get what they wanted, and they got it. How the hell is that holding back?!?

You guys are just pissed off because MC isn't straight wrecking people with zero effort, when he was portrayed to begin with as a very vulnerable character.

I've got no problem with the MC not using violence. I have a problem with supposed intelligent people using dumb method that will clearly blow in their faces later.
I concur that the MC is probably not powerful enough to beat up those two, but they don't know that.
What they do know is that they have two brilliant geniuses who just joined their school, one of them with the knowledge of incredible and powerful magic, and the first thing they do is try to alienate them.
And that's just moronic.

Now, feel free to answer this comment insulting me again. I don't really care, you don't exist for me anymore. 😉

 

[Levanah]

>contrarian rhetoric

Saying "Fuck off." is now contrarian. What a world. Apparently anything that doesn't align with your opinion is """contrarian""" lmao.

>Welcome to my blocked list.

Wow how intimidating. A blocked list. I'm an outcast now, ooh.

>Also, the contract wasn't edited after the fact, he did it before signing... Which isn't a crime

I'll bet good money that altering a contract without informing the other party and then passing it off as a valid contract regardless of whether the contract was signed before or after the fact, will violate any form of contract law that exists in human history. The contract becomes null and void in the best case scenario if discovered, which means Asley and Rina did not fulfill school requirements. That and the fact that they tried to scam the school is already grounds for expulsion.

>Also a contract is supposed to be between two parties, this one isn't.

According to modern standards, yes. Not to this fictional world's standards though. All evidence suggests that this is a valid, perfectly acceptable contract in their society.

Was Asley ethically right for not signing that contract. Yes, I never argued against that. Is it legally acceptable to tamper the contract? Not at all.

>They pretty much did anything to get what they wanted

They could've gotten a lot more out of it, make Asley divulge secrets, force him to do more things. They settled on forcing him to a stuco position. How is that not being generous in this context?

>They didn't ask him to do anything unreasonable YET.

So why judge them on things they didn't do then?

>the first thing they do is try to alienate them.

They gave him an easy way out of the consequences of trying to scam the school. They've been quite accommodating, if anything.

>Now, feel free to answer this comment insulting me again. I don't really care, you don't exist for me anymore.

Cool. Don't know why you think closing your eyes and covering your ears in the middle of a conversation to try and pretend that I don't exist is somehow a good look for you, but okay. I didn't get into this argument expecting to change your mind. Anyone who gets into arguments expecting to change the other persons mind is an imbecile, in my opinion.

No, I did this to make you look like a complete moron. I believe I've succeeded.

 

[Lazymesa]

just say drop it or I will kill everything and everyone

 

[Chet31]

Man, this shit is just getting too stupid. I do not give a rats ass about this stupid school arc that does absolutely nothing but bring one annoying ageless sorceress in to view every 3 seconds and now we got another one. Pochi is the perfect level of annoying, but then we have to ramp it up to 111 with this honestly shitty school that forces you to join a faction even if you do not want to, blackmails you and then harasses you. I know he edited the contract but the contract is aaaaaaaabsolute bs. The second they found out about it, they should have known what was coming and just left the school.

I thank you guys at Mangasushi for doing a good job with this series, it is just too bad it is turning out like this.

 

[theShear]

@Levanah I'll bet good money that altering a contract without informing the other party and then passing it off as a valid contract regardless of whether the contract was signed before or after the fact, will violate any form of contract law that exists in human history.
Surprisingly it doesn't in many countries, in the states there was a case where a man edited a Banking contract carefully and then send it in, it was accepted without a read over. Later when when the bank sued for the outstanding fees he pointed to the changed contract. It went to court and the court said as they accepted the contract without a read over they have to honour it though it was annulled afterwards. By law both sides are committed to give the contract a read over.

I think the big issue here is that it was a magical contract, he changed the wording, waited until her signature was on to accept the changed wording (as I guess the magic then took effect) and then changed it back to cover it up. I assume him trying to cover it up is the issue. In his contract he just left the changes in.

 

[Kiriha]

insert angry legal loli noises

 

[Fui-nee]

hmmmmm, is it like "no matter how clean the thief work to leave any evidence, it will revealed no matter what"
b-but when i took money from my dad's wallet he doesn't even notice it......does he?

 

[BloodySorcerer]

@Levanah you'd be surprised there are actually no laws against what he did to the contract in my country. So yes it's neither weird nor wrong for him to do it. if anything it would be a loss for the people who gave out the contract in the first place, for them not to read the contract and look for cahnges before accepting it.

 

[Vykos]

extra thicc pochi was gwehed hard

 

[Yurnero]

that loli teacher is annoying

 

[GerryCerryBery]

Geeehh. I feel you.

 

[undercurses]

it's become more annoying as time goes by, if this continues gonna skip it until it's get better

 

[miedziux]

Asley in previous chapter: i wouldn't match her(Irene) because of the gap in sheer ability.

people under this chapter: He ShOuld JusT Kill TheM aLl

I know reading can be hard, but come on.

 

[smoothoperator]

Pochi is FAT

 

[Serverclosed]

Ten days and I still feel like shit. Damn.

 

[SiKucing]

........... if that contract is right... then shouldn't she (ashley's friend forgot her name) had the right to command the black faction or something? How about she command that stuco president to shutp or if she can't...... cuz he already got out of that contract or something, how about she told all those black faction to gang up on him......... every single day...... even if they can't defeat him..... at least they can annoy him to death.....

That's the round up way..... a better sirect way: had ashley tamper with that stuco president's memory make it..... a lil messy....😃

 

[Glomoro]

Asley in previous chapter: i wouldn't match her(Irene) because of the gap in sheer ability.

people under this chapter: He ShOuld JusT Kill TheM aLl

I know reading can be hard, but come on.

I think it's partly that they just forget everything between releases on a lot of these series. Reasonable enough I guess, who knows how many other things they're checking in on between each of the chapters for anything else. The aggressive nature of commenters in general though is always a little off putting. I get that these characters don't actually exist from where we're sitting, but from where the characters are... everyone around them is another person. If you wouldn't go around murdering all of your problems away, why do you expect every character you like to do so with every character that's a minor nuisance?

 

[Pokoj11]

Really man you have 5000 year and you are total useless :/ wtf ? just kill them omg puff