Yuusha Party ni Kawaii Ko ga Ita no de, Kokuhaku Shite Mita - Vol. 10 Ch. 49.1

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The word used in Japanese is "omiai", which is less like a date or engagement party and more like a business interview and/or blind date.

It's akin to two random strangers who match on a dating site or have friends or family set them up with their father's brother's newphew's cousin's former roommate.
But it does usually indicate romantic availability, no? 😶

And Cecilia being in the position she is in, she could've totally declined one way or another, if she really didnt want, considering she herself isn't exactly a low ranking noble, saintess of the hero party, and the king himself is aware of Yuki and Cecilia 😶
 
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This is so telegraphed. The dude in the weird outfit is probably the one she's meeting with and that meeting was probably set after she mistook him for Yuki, and the dude probably misunderstood something. The mandatory jealousy arc...
 
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He blurted out "I like you" at the very beginning after only having just met her. Which is weird and kinda meaningless. So he backtracked since then and leveled out into a more sane/normal person who actually got to know her. Everything he's done since then is more friendly and platonic than actually romantic, as has been her responses. So it's kind of up to him to take the next step and show he's grown from the dummy he was at the start and properly confess real feelings grown from actual interaction. She could do that too, but she's under no obligation to and it's not really her fault that their relationship has coasted along on friendlier/platonic terms any more than it is his.
Yeah.. hard disagree. The other commenter is wrong about some things but this is a really weird recollection of things and a stuck/lame view on romance.

He was pretty clear from the beginning, even if a stupid brat.
Almost everything he did was at least showing positive feelings towards her.
And she knows. While he might not see it, we the readers know. Even the most recent scene with the dresses when he is over or before when he comes back after a while- she clearly views him differently from anyone else.
This also ties into her not telling him about this being a bit ooc at this point and just unnecessarily hurtful.

Saying "he did that“ "he fucked that up“ "he has to confess and do this and that, nothing is on her“ just is sucky and disingenuous.
This developed into a 2 people thing. Saying she has no part in it is plain wrong.
 
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But it does usually indicate romantic availability, no? 😶

And Cecilia being in the position she is in, she could've totally declined one way or another, if she really didnt want, considering she herself isn't exactly a low ranking noble, saintess of the hero party, and the king himself is aware of Yuki and Cecilia 😶
The story isn't taking historical context seriously, but in a true feudal society marriage was never about people's feelings and the would be bride was not asked, she was told. Marriage talks were done by the families behind closed doors and excluded the bride, the groom too, if he wasn't of age. Of course, a commoner like Youki would never be allowed to get close to her either. This was subverted so far, but now we suddenly hear that due to the other party's status, she has no choice but to meet. Poor writing, unfortunately.
 
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The story isn't taking historical context seriously, but in a true feudal society marriage was never about people's feelings and the would be bride was not asked, she was told. Marriage talks were done by the families behind closed doors and excluded the bride, the groom too, if he wasn't of age. Of course, a commoner like Youki would never be allowed to get close to her either. This was subverted so far, but now we suddenly hear that due to the other party's status, she has no choice but to meet. Poor writing, unfortunately.
In a marriage meeting, it is important for other side's relatives to see if the candidate is actually as good as advertised. Sure, political alliances are important, but they're also welcoming a new family member. And being a family member, their actions will affect the new family's reputation and fortune.
And in more modern marriage meetings, whether the prospective bride and groom get along is also an important factor. Who needs more trouble in the family than they already have? Worst case, they'll have to deal with illegitimate children.
 
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In a marriage meeting, it is important for other side's relatives to see if the candidate is actually as good as advertised. Sure, political alliances are important, but they're also welcoming a new family member. And being a family member, their actions will affect the new family's reputation and fortune.
And in more modern marriage meetings, whether the prospective bride and groom get along is also an important factor. Who needs more trouble in the family than they already have? Worst case, they'll have to deal with illegitimate children.
Historically there were no real "marriage meetings" between aristocracy, not in the sense that anything was still undecided. The future spouses were of course introduced to each other, but that was after the families already came to an agreement for them to be engaged, usually while they were still small children. It's not like you'll guage anyone by just speaking to them, candidates were evaluated by their reputation, especially by asking your network of noble friends and acquaintances, you'd be suprised how much one could dig up that way.

Modern ones are a whole different kind of affair. Unless we're talking abut places without real civil rights, people can't be made to agree to anything if they really don't want to, even by the highly traditional, authoritarian families.
 
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a commoner like Youki would never be allowed to get close to her either
If you wanted to get slightly more realistic, Youki would be given a title in about 5 seconds due to his personal power. All politics is the application of force. The whole "I'm not worthy of her." shtick this manga has is nonsense when he's proven his strength in the first chapter.
 
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If you wanted to get slightly more realistic, Youki would be given a title in about 5 seconds due to his personal power. All politics is the application of force. The whole "I'm not worthy of her." shtick this manga has is nonsense when he's proven his strength in the first chapter.
That's not how society works, especially the feudal kind. It's not even how it works in this manga - the adventurer's guild is full of powerful individuals and as illustrated, the best they can get is a job at the guild or in the guard. He might be leagues above them all, but that only means he's a threat to the already established nobility and royalty, a threat to be managed or dealt with. There's no way he'd be elevated, unless the royals are idiots that think they can control him. If it gets out he's a demon, they'll just try to subjugate him.

Basically the only way he could realistically get a title is either beating down the whole country enough for them to beg for mercy (not really an option, due to his love interest's view on the matter) or selling himself out to it's service for who knows how long. The FMC would also not be a fan of the second option, since she wants to keep his existence and abilities under wraps.
 
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Can somebody that has read the light novel PLEASE put me out of my misery and spoil what happens with this nonesense? Because with the release schedule of this manga and the inevitable "dragging out" arc, I just want to know the outcome. Anyone please
 
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The word used in Japanese is "omiai", which is less like a date or engagement party and more like a business interview and/or blind date.

It's akin to two random strangers who match on a dating site or have friends or family set them up with their father's brother's newphew's cousin's former roommate.
Depending on how many siblings your father has, that could mean being set up with your own former roommate.
 
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That's not how society works, especially the feudal kind. It's not even how it works in this manga - the adventurer's guild is full of powerful individuals and as illustrated, the best they can get is a job at the guild or in the guard. He might be leagues above them all, but that only means he's a threat to the already established nobility and royalty, a threat to be managed or dealt with. There's no way he'd be elevated, unless the royals are idiots that think they can control him. If it gets out he's a demon, they'll just try to subjugate him.

Basically the only way he could realistically get a title is either beating down the whole country enough for them to beg for mercy (not really an option, due to his love interest's view on the matter) or selling himself out to it's service for who knows how long. The FMC would also not be a fan of the second option, since she wants to keep his existence and abilities under wraps.
That is exactly how society works, especially the feudal kind. The difference is, normally that involves going to war (external or civil), and his contributions will be rewarded with an appropriately sized piece of land.
In post-feudal monarchies (which seem to be mainstream in Japanese fantasy), the king would attempt to recruit the MC into a high position specifically so that MC would oppress the nobles (and thus keep royalty on top).

Ultimately, society's survival hinges on existence of social lifts for capable and ambitious individuals. And in Japanese fantasy, being an adventurer is one such lift. Same as in most other fantasies where adventurers exist as a profession. A number of works portray nobles attempting to arrange a marriage with high-ranking adventurers as a perfectly normal thing.
 
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That's not how society works, especially the feudal kind. It's not even how it works in this manga
Nobles used to be powerful warriors even on Earth. But, it's absolutely how society would work in this kind of world. Why else did they send a "party" after the Demon King and not armies? Guys like this would be nukes, they'd be scouted and tied to a country as a form of political power. Obviously it's just a lighthearted story that adapts modern sensibilities to Japanese fantasy realm tropes, but if you want to bring in logic, that's what you'd get.
 
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That is exactly how society works, especially the feudal kind. The difference is, normally that involves going to war (external or civil), and his contributions will be rewarded with an appropriately sized piece of land.
In post-feudal monarchies (which seem to be mainstream in Japanese fantasy), the king would attempt to recruit the MC into a high position specifically so that MC would oppress the nobles (and thus keep royalty on top).

Ultimately, society's survival hinges on existence of social lifts for capable and ambitious individuals. And in Japanese fantasy, being an adventurer is one such lift. Same as in most other fantasies where adventurers exist as a profession. A number of works portray nobles attempting to arrange a marriage with high-ranking adventurers as a perfectly normal thing.
While commoners getting peerage for "contributions" sometimes happened, it was not only very rare, but limited to specific circumstances. In particular, being a powerful (and exceptionally ruthless) mercenary captain during a bloody conflict that weakened the country enough that the king felt he had to keep you on his side. That's pretty much the only scenario documented and it's the story of John Hawkwood during the Hundred Year War.

It was far more common for people of exceptional wealth to pretty much buy nobility. They'd gather land and try to either ingratiate themselves to actual nobility or corner them with debts. The goal was usually for their family to enter the noble's via marriage. The wealthiest sometimes gained enough noble patrons to "lobby" for them, so that the king was pressured to nobilitate them directly

I'm not sure what you mean by "post-fuedal monarchy", do you mean absolute monarchy? In that case, there'd be no reason to opress the nobles, they're already either gone, or have no real power within the country, having lost the right to hold significant lands and field troops.

That might be a theme in fantasy, but IRL it was not really a thing. Those who managed to get their hands on a title found little use for it in their lifetimes. They were considered upstarts and fakes, usually shunned in noble society. Their descendands might have been well enough established to reap the benefits, provided they weren't impoverished enough to just fade into obscurity. An aristocratic society has always been a closed one, they went to great lengths to keep it that way.
 

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