Yuusha, Yamemasu - Vol. 2 Ch. 7.5
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... ok i get demons are tough skin thick enough to block bullets and strength to rival apex predators and intelligence that is equal to our own
no wonder we lost
granted from the looks of it demons are much less technologically advanced
I'm surprised that the humans resorted to cloned bioweapons rather than upsizing existing tech
if tldr just go to the botton
in ww2 people put thicker and thicker armor tanks and they became harder and harder to kill so we made our anti tank guns bigger by basically double 37mm to 76mm and later 90mm and by developing a (relatively) new type of anti tank weapon called the shaped charge
in the cold war composite armors where more widely used and as such our guns didnt work any more so we did 2 things we upgunned from 90mm to 105mm and later 120mm and we started using new tech like guided munitions, for example, the raketenjadgpanzer 1 which could guide an anti tank missile from behind cover.
invention is a product of necessity and recently tanks havent had the impact they once had but they are still threats so innovations on how to kill them still keep coming just a bit slower. for example some nato countries have been testing bigger guns like the 130mm and 140mm and while i cant think of a new revolutionary way to kill tanks being invented recently I'm pretty sure something will eventually be invented to help put down tanks
basically I'm comparing demons to tanks and way to kill demons with ways to kill tanks
what I'm basically saying is other than just messing with new experimental tech humans likely upgraded their existing weapons to combat the demons unless they got wiped out immediately which is unlikely since they where able to make the MC . so why the fuck are all the humans existing like its the got dam 14th century
no wonder we lost
granted from the looks of it demons are much less technologically advanced
I'm surprised that the humans resorted to cloned bioweapons rather than upsizing existing tech
if tldr just go to the botton
in ww2 people put thicker and thicker armor tanks and they became harder and harder to kill so we made our anti tank guns bigger by basically double 37mm to 76mm and later 90mm and by developing a (relatively) new type of anti tank weapon called the shaped charge
in the cold war composite armors where more widely used and as such our guns didnt work any more so we did 2 things we upgunned from 90mm to 105mm and later 120mm and we started using new tech like guided munitions, for example, the raketenjadgpanzer 1 which could guide an anti tank missile from behind cover.
invention is a product of necessity and recently tanks havent had the impact they once had but they are still threats so innovations on how to kill them still keep coming just a bit slower. for example some nato countries have been testing bigger guns like the 130mm and 140mm and while i cant think of a new revolutionary way to kill tanks being invented recently I'm pretty sure something will eventually be invented to help put down tanks
basically I'm comparing demons to tanks and way to kill demons with ways to kill tanks
what I'm basically saying is other than just messing with new experimental tech humans likely upgraded their existing weapons to combat the demons unless they got wiped out immediately which is unlikely since they where able to make the MC . so why the fuck are all the humans existing like its the got dam 14th century
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Wait a second, hold the fuck up. Is this the age of strife? Yuusha is the God Emperor?!
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damn bro. living a long life like that. though he was basically a mindless puppet in his early years, he was still able to remember everything. being all alone for all those years, protecting them, then suddenly decided to betray you. how fcked up is that. 🤯
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Does this mean he is 3000 years old?
@themanj well, to answer your question. Understand what was the principle behind weapons: to deliver a concentrated force enough to cause damage, potentially disabling, crippling, or killing whatever was struck. Now, with force, there's an equation: F=MA (Mass + Acceleration). Modern weapons operate on a principle of high acceleration projectiles with little mass to deliver devastating amounts of force.
Now, the big problem is that you'd need a good stable platform to be able to fire those anti-armor rounds from. Coupled with the major possibility that these things are highly mobile, anything short of an exoskeleton to offset the weight and still grant some maneuverability won't work.
Now as for the round makeup...
The most likely candidate for making powerful rounds against them would be something fired from a rail or gauss. Unfortunately no matter how much miniaturization you manage to accomplish, those things aren't projected to reach fallout-verse sizes for a while, especially coupled with how big the energy requirement is needed by the system to accelerate the projectile to the necessary speeds. This also includes the problem of rate of fire; since you need to run the magnetic force all throughout the rail, there needs to be a time for it to return to its magnetically neutral state for the next projectile, hampering rof. So, it's going to be heavy and slow.
Using ballistics, you'd have to tweak alot the formula of F=MA. Three possibilities do arise: increase the mass of the bullet, increase the size of the bullet, or increase the initial acceleration via the propellant.
Increasing the mass of the bullet has already been underway, with the use of depleted uranium rounds. The problem there is figuring out how much mass is needed to be able to get a force capable of penetrating those demons. If it can be figured out, you can create a bullet that is compact, heavy enough, with enough kick to send those demons back where they came from. Unfortunately this would take several years of study to figure it out and it could be too late when it's figured out. Not to mention the logistics of getting the material with enough mass to do the job.
Increasing the size tries to take the mass equation in another direction with what materials available. However, the answer to getting enough oomph might be too big that it'll end up being like trying to shoot a fly with a bb gun: doable, but hard. ...Especially when said flies are ravenous swarms.
Advances in propellant tech might be the answer. However the rounds maybe unstable, and might not actually withstand the forces created by propellants.
It'll require a mix of a 3 of what I said, but it's most likely by the time the exact mix is found, majority of the world would've been overrun and the answer might be too unwieldy and bulky to use.
If that's the case, using soldiers in exoskeletons with really pointy sticks is the way to go, until you find a way to augment soldiers...which is what they did with the Yuusha Project.
That's the most likely reason for their actions...though they skipped a couple of steps that I mentioned.
Now, the big problem is that you'd need a good stable platform to be able to fire those anti-armor rounds from. Coupled with the major possibility that these things are highly mobile, anything short of an exoskeleton to offset the weight and still grant some maneuverability won't work.
Now as for the round makeup...
The most likely candidate for making powerful rounds against them would be something fired from a rail or gauss. Unfortunately no matter how much miniaturization you manage to accomplish, those things aren't projected to reach fallout-verse sizes for a while, especially coupled with how big the energy requirement is needed by the system to accelerate the projectile to the necessary speeds. This also includes the problem of rate of fire; since you need to run the magnetic force all throughout the rail, there needs to be a time for it to return to its magnetically neutral state for the next projectile, hampering rof. So, it's going to be heavy and slow.
Using ballistics, you'd have to tweak alot the formula of F=MA. Three possibilities do arise: increase the mass of the bullet, increase the size of the bullet, or increase the initial acceleration via the propellant.
Increasing the mass of the bullet has already been underway, with the use of depleted uranium rounds. The problem there is figuring out how much mass is needed to be able to get a force capable of penetrating those demons. If it can be figured out, you can create a bullet that is compact, heavy enough, with enough kick to send those demons back where they came from. Unfortunately this would take several years of study to figure it out and it could be too late when it's figured out. Not to mention the logistics of getting the material with enough mass to do the job.
Increasing the size tries to take the mass equation in another direction with what materials available. However, the answer to getting enough oomph might be too big that it'll end up being like trying to shoot a fly with a bb gun: doable, but hard. ...Especially when said flies are ravenous swarms.
Advances in propellant tech might be the answer. However the rounds maybe unstable, and might not actually withstand the forces created by propellants.
It'll require a mix of a 3 of what I said, but it's most likely by the time the exact mix is found, majority of the world would've been overrun and the answer might be too unwieldy and bulky to use.
If that's the case, using soldiers in exoskeletons with really pointy sticks is the way to go, until you find a way to augment soldiers...which is what they did with the Yuusha Project.
That's the most likely reason for their actions...though they skipped a couple of steps that I mentioned.
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@sagefox makes sense ... But still why did humanity revert to like the 14th century ... Also you completely ignore the use of chemical energy penetrators (aka heat rounds) and mounted weapons tho if humanity put their full effort into fighting the demons we would easilly wipe them out . idk exactly how tough they are but assuming humanity is on the defensive just set up like 20 CIWS 3000rpm of 20-25mm of tungsten death
Let's say that's not enough to penetrate their skin up it to 30mm and change from tungsten to DU lets say that doesnt work well then up it to somthing like the 35mm with the flak panzer gepard still dont work? Just keep pushing the power till you get somthing like a 76mm otomatic punching sabot rounds at 120rpm. I know all the examples are anti air but i think they can be used to ground defence
As for the common soldier arm them all with low recoil high caliber chemical energy weapons aka an xm25 with heat rounds. If that's not powerful enough like befor UP THE CALIBER 30!!! 40!! obviously the bigger it gets the slower the rate of fire(you shoot less cause it kicks more) but just thow in a couple more soldiers and your good
If you want a strategy to compleyely wipe them out... Hehehe i got ya. They use wings to fly... Aka they have a very limited flight ceiling. Which means you can just throw high altitude bomber at em to fucking flatten their homes DONT LET THEM REST OR REGROUP JUST 24/7 BOMBARDMENT OF THEIR BASES HOMES AND ENCAMPMENTS. While that happens mount every afv with radar trackers and shit just get like a force of 40 or so mixed with like 3 to 4 fast firing aa vehicles (even if it doesn't penetrate their skin it will knock them outa the sky) in eaxh ifv there is like 5 or 6 people all armed with semi automatic grenade launchers kinda like the xm25 2 or 3 will be armed with air burst rounds the rest all have HEAT rounds. Just make a lot of groups like this and slowly clear them out and push em back as long as they arent massivly out numbered or ambushed a force like this would easily be able to delete a group of a hundred demons thats the assault groups for defences just have a shit ton of up gunned CIWS even if it doesnt penetrate their skin it would knock em down or hold them back
Let's say that's not enough to penetrate their skin up it to 30mm and change from tungsten to DU lets say that doesnt work well then up it to somthing like the 35mm with the flak panzer gepard still dont work? Just keep pushing the power till you get somthing like a 76mm otomatic punching sabot rounds at 120rpm. I know all the examples are anti air but i think they can be used to ground defence
As for the common soldier arm them all with low recoil high caliber chemical energy weapons aka an xm25 with heat rounds. If that's not powerful enough like befor UP THE CALIBER 30!!! 40!! obviously the bigger it gets the slower the rate of fire(you shoot less cause it kicks more) but just thow in a couple more soldiers and your good
If you want a strategy to compleyely wipe them out... Hehehe i got ya. They use wings to fly... Aka they have a very limited flight ceiling. Which means you can just throw high altitude bomber at em to fucking flatten their homes DONT LET THEM REST OR REGROUP JUST 24/7 BOMBARDMENT OF THEIR BASES HOMES AND ENCAMPMENTS. While that happens mount every afv with radar trackers and shit just get like a force of 40 or so mixed with like 3 to 4 fast firing aa vehicles (even if it doesn't penetrate their skin it will knock them outa the sky) in eaxh ifv there is like 5 or 6 people all armed with semi automatic grenade launchers kinda like the xm25 2 or 3 will be armed with air burst rounds the rest all have HEAT rounds. Just make a lot of groups like this and slowly clear them out and push em back as long as they arent massivly out numbered or ambushed a force like this would easily be able to delete a group of a hundred demons thats the assault groups for defences just have a shit ton of up gunned CIWS even if it doesnt penetrate their skin it would knock em down or hold them back
@themanj In theory what you said is logical. However, there are a lot of problems.
Like the hints being told in the past, it took about 3 people with their advanced weaponry to take down a single one, and from the look of the chapters that depicted soldiers, they do look like they used something like the XM25. This becomes an issue with numbers.
The second issue is the problem of logistics. Let's say we take the 25mm grenade rounds. It's hard to make and it'll take some time to make a lot of them, provided we use an automated factory to make all the component parts. It'll be hard to feed large forces fully equipped with that caliber, requiring multiple dedicated factories for that single caliber. Not to mention the logistics of deployment of said caliber to defensive positions. In the event of an extensive firefight with a bunker able to hold them, it's not unheard of for ammo to suddenly run out.
What I said first is the best case scenario: bunker combat. However it had been seen that there's troops in the open. That means they have to carry the ammo with them, which would not be as many as you'd think (given for example the XM25's 5-round box, they could be carrying effectively about 10 extra magazines). Even mobile armor would need to carry its own ammunition, which can run out if they're not careful.
As for a strategy to completely wipe them out, I must remind you that they DON'T have Bases, Homes, or Encampments, only extradimensional fissures that can only apparently be controlled with magic, which means multiple points of flooding of enemy forces. Now even WITH 24/7 bombardment, you won't be able to take care of them. This also compounds the problem earlier I said about logistics, as this now includes the bombs needed by the bombers as well, missiles used by the escorts against the air targets. Not to mention the inevitable problem of the air bases would sooner or later come under fire? And you also want to toss in the mix of 40 or so ifv and afvs doing raids on their positions?
Now the reason for example that the world might've reverted to the 14th century. Perhaps what happened was that in the large scale battle between the 12 bio-weapons against the first demon king, it caused significant amounts of explosions that caused an ice age event, forcing people to rebuild. This can lead to a massive decline to the world's tech in the long run due to the prioritization of knowledge that would help to survive immediately. Now as much as it could be possible that Leo would help retain the tech, it's not in his coding so even with someone as advanced as him, the tech level will fall. And, if people realized that the best way to beat them is with a pointy stick or a sharp blade (since Leo uses a sword), they'd prioritize the creation of it. With the knowledge of magic as well, the need for technological advancement isn't as strong.
Like the hints being told in the past, it took about 3 people with their advanced weaponry to take down a single one, and from the look of the chapters that depicted soldiers, they do look like they used something like the XM25. This becomes an issue with numbers.
The second issue is the problem of logistics. Let's say we take the 25mm grenade rounds. It's hard to make and it'll take some time to make a lot of them, provided we use an automated factory to make all the component parts. It'll be hard to feed large forces fully equipped with that caliber, requiring multiple dedicated factories for that single caliber. Not to mention the logistics of deployment of said caliber to defensive positions. In the event of an extensive firefight with a bunker able to hold them, it's not unheard of for ammo to suddenly run out.
What I said first is the best case scenario: bunker combat. However it had been seen that there's troops in the open. That means they have to carry the ammo with them, which would not be as many as you'd think (given for example the XM25's 5-round box, they could be carrying effectively about 10 extra magazines). Even mobile armor would need to carry its own ammunition, which can run out if they're not careful.
As for a strategy to completely wipe them out, I must remind you that they DON'T have Bases, Homes, or Encampments, only extradimensional fissures that can only apparently be controlled with magic, which means multiple points of flooding of enemy forces. Now even WITH 24/7 bombardment, you won't be able to take care of them. This also compounds the problem earlier I said about logistics, as this now includes the bombs needed by the bombers as well, missiles used by the escorts against the air targets. Not to mention the inevitable problem of the air bases would sooner or later come under fire? And you also want to toss in the mix of 40 or so ifv and afvs doing raids on their positions?
Now the reason for example that the world might've reverted to the 14th century. Perhaps what happened was that in the large scale battle between the 12 bio-weapons against the first demon king, it caused significant amounts of explosions that caused an ice age event, forcing people to rebuild. This can lead to a massive decline to the world's tech in the long run due to the prioritization of knowledge that would help to survive immediately. Now as much as it could be possible that Leo would help retain the tech, it's not in his coding so even with someone as advanced as him, the tech level will fall. And, if people realized that the best way to beat them is with a pointy stick or a sharp blade (since Leo uses a sword), they'd prioritize the creation of it. With the knowledge of magic as well, the need for technological advancement isn't as strong.
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Now it explains clearly about those "Experience" he used to talk about sometimes.
And also please pull some plot twists and say that Merness was a girl all along..PLEASE
And also please pull some plot twists and say that Merness was a girl all along..PLEASE
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WTF bro that shit below is fucking out of topic let's talk about how the Plot Twist that was so brainfuck
