Zenbu Kowashite Jigoku de Aishite - Vol. 4 Ch. 20 - My Friend

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No no, I like it, I just.... How to say it... From once chosen path one does not turn back.
And here there are still such “moments of hesitation”. She has seemingly already decided, but nevertheless agreed to leave. This time it did not bring anything bad, it was like stepping into a minefield. The story is great, but lacks a bit of that initial dynamism.
Hmm I can kinda see what you mean with the last point. The first two volumes had a sort of unique magic to them, but now the people and the story are changing. I'm still enjoying the current plot and believe that the author will develop it to a satisfying climax.
 
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Hmm I can kinda see what you mean with the last point. The first two volumes had a sort of unique magic to them, but now the people and the story are changing. I'm still enjoying the current plot and believe that the author will develop it to a satisfying climax.
That's what I'm thinking, it's better to turn off notifications to yourself. I'll be back here sometime next year when there's more. After all, even the best books have weaker passages followed by a diamond.
 
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Thankfully Kokoro and Kurumi were able to resolve their conflict peacefully

And looks like their second semester wont be great with Kudou here :haa:
 
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The girls that were making fun of Isanuma were the same ones she got into an argument with in chapter 10. The one with the darker hair is the one who said that Isanuma was full of it. And Isanuma sucks at keeping secrets if she was about tell the whole class that she went on a date with their teacher. I got a laugh when the one page panned over most of the relevant girls in the class, you know, those same kinds of scenes that are in competition anime to increase dramatic tension.
I failed to notice this, but that is funny. They are competing in a way.

The only really surprising bit to me was Kokoro realizing she needed to distance herself. I can relate to some extent to being self aware enough to realize your behavior is an issue, but not enough in control to fix the behavior. The best you can do is avoid the situation. This can precede both backsliding and the hard work of changing one's habits and inclinations over a prolonged period of time.

One of those would be a lot more dramatic than the others, for better or worse. It could still be satisfying to see Kokoro redeem herself in ways I speculated about in earlier threads. It seems like I was right about Kokoro's inclinations, but wrong about how far she would take this. Moving on from the person you like, whether you stay friends or not, is also something that can take time. In the friend scenario, sometimes temporary distancing from each other is necessary until the feelings die down some.

The question is how sincere is Kokoro about wanting to continue to support Kurumi. Is she biding her time for her next chance, despite wanting to see herself as someone nicer than that?

It seems to me that the author is interested in writing a story where things are not as dark as they seem. People can fall to bad impulses, but also learn to be better when someone gives them the chance. A lot of sympathetic qualities were written into Naoi, Kurumi, and also Kokoro. Some of them seem like for-the-evuls characters like Isanuma and Kudou, but we also know the least about their backstories. However, we've never seen them question their own behavior yet, which Naoi, Kurumi, Kokoro, Akane, and Isanuma's friend (I forget her name) do. That doesn't mean none of the latter group will fall to the dark side, but I can't write any of them off.

The adults meanwhile are a lost cause. They've already decided who they were going to be, are deep set in their habits, and lost their chance to improve. Their fault for being over 20 in a manga. I'd like to be wrong, but I think the author wants to give the kids the focus. The adults are only a plot device as well as a way to show what can happen if you follow certain impulses to their end, like Naoi and her father or Kokoro and Kurumi's mother. I don't know if Kurumi has an equivalent; maybe the teacher who tries to please everyone and keep up his image, but without Kurumi's sense of ethics.
 
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The question is how sincere is Kokoro about wanting to continue to support Kurumi. Is she biding her time for her next chance, despite wanting to see herself as someone nicer than that?

The adults meanwhile are a lost cause. They've already decided who they were going to be, are deep set in their habits, and lost their chance to improve. Their fault for being over 20 in a manga. I'd like to be wrong, but I think the author wants to give the kids the focus. The adults are only a plot device as well as a way to show what can happen if you follow certain impulses to their end, like Naoi and her father or Kokoro and Kurumi's mother. I don't know if Kurumi has an equivalent; maybe the teacher who tries to please everyone and keep up his image, but without Kurumi's sense of ethics.
Kokoro always seems to act on impulse. However, I was very surprised to see how many people deemed her and Kurumi's issues with each other resolved after this chapter, because they're definitely not. Kokoro still seems insistent on viewing Naoi as a source of corruption to Kurumi, rather than admitting that Kurumi has any negative sides. Even after Kokoro lays out this view to Kurumi, Kurumi does nothing to clarify that Naoi has some good points or has been through alot to end up how she is.

The entire situation is still very unstable, because all it would take for Kokoro to backslide is to perceive a negative change to Kurumi. Or even if there isn't one, Kudou convincing her it's only a matter of time and telling Kokoro everything she wants to hear could still trigger it. Keep in mind that Kokoro almost backslid this very chapter, wanting to forget about everything she'd done and just go back to her bubble. The only reason she doesn't isn't because of feeling bad for what she did to Kurumi, but because of her thinking back on how she attacked Naoi, which reignited Kokoro's fear of becoming a corrupted person herself.

And here's another thing, yes, Kokoro was always supportive of Kurumi in the past, but it was because Kurumi was fitting into the ideal Kokoro had of her, and which was largely fueled by Kokoro's obsession, not kindness as Kurumi labeled it. What happens if Kurumi's opinions and actions start to deviate away from Kokoro's ideal? Would Kokoro still be a source of support, or would she become a naysayer?

Meanwhile, the teacher having a parallel to Kurumi is certainly an interesting idea. Basically leading people on and telling them what they want to hear to keep an illusion of peace, but in reality being the main source of unrest in his class himself. You could also say that Isanuma has certain parallels to Kokoro due to their jealousy issues and idealization of their very obviously flawed objects of affection.
 
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Ah. Not kudou...
Glad kokoro is backing off and reflecting
I do want to see her and Kurumi salvage their relationship
 
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Kokoro always seems to act on impulse. However, I was very surprised to see how many people deemed her and Kurumi's issues with each other resolved after this chapter, because they're definitely not. Kokoro still seems insistent on viewing Naoi as a source of corruption to Kurumi, rather than admitting that Kurumi has any negative sides. Even after Kokoro lays out this view to Kurumi, Kurumi does nothing to clarify that Naoi has some good points or has been through alot to end up how she is.

The entire situation is still very unstable, because all it would take for Kokoro to backslide is to perceive a negative change to Kurumi. Or even if there isn't one, Kudou convincing her it's only a matter of time and telling Kokoro everything she wants to hear could still trigger it. Keep in mind that Kokoro almost backslid this very chapter, wanting to forget about everything she'd done and just go back to her bubble. The only reason she doesn't isn't because of feeling bad for what she did to Kurumi, but because of her thinking back on how she attacked Naoi, which reignited Kokoro's fear of becoming a corrupted person herself.

And here's another thing, yes, Kokoro was always supportive of Kurumi in the past, but it was because Kurumi was fitting into the ideal Kokoro had of her, and which was largely fueled by Kokoro's obsession, not kindness as Kurumi labeled it. What happens if Kurumi's opinions and actions start to deviate away from Kokoro's ideal? Would Kokoro still be a source of support, or would she become a naysayer?

I still think she wouldn't become a naysayer, but might not avoid Kurumi if she thought the people around Kurumi were significantly more dangerous than her. She explicitly gave Kurumi needing help with anything as the situation where she would still want to get involved in.

You are right that there are still a lot of gaps in her knowledge regarding Naoi. She still thinks the injuries from Naoi's father were given to Kurumi by Naoi, for instance. She also doesn't know about Kurumi having to disarm her mom. Kokoro might in some ways be harder to deal with if she knew all this, but she would be harder to manipulate, more willing to give Naoi a chance, and less likely to come to misunderstandings.

To some extent, it is Kurumi who doesn't trust Kokoro enough to be more open and Kurumi who would like things to go back to how they were. Of course we know why she isn't able to be open about problems in her life, as hiding them is how she got this far. Kokoro has been her only real friend and connection for a very long time, so it also makes sense to want to maintain it even when it's difficult. The two impulses are nonetheless not very in sync with each other, contributing to the disparate viewpoints you mentioned the peacocks symbolizing.

Meanwhile, the teacher having a parallel to Kurumi is certainly an interesting idea. Basically leading people on and telling them what they want to hear to keep an illusion of peace, but in reality being the main source of unrest in his class himself. You could also say that Isanuma has certain parallels to Kokoro due to their jealousy issues and idealization of their very obviously flawed objects of affection.
Kurumi and the teacher have even both gone on dates with high school girls they didn't want to go on dates with, which is a very specific commonality to have.
 
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Everything in this chapter was perfect, except that kyouka girl, the story must continue I guess
Page 34 be one of my favourite scenes
 
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Thanks for the TL! Every new chapter keeps proving why Kuwabara is the toxic yuri goat.
 

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