Kouchuugun Shikan Boukensha ni Naru - Vol. 7 Ch. 47

[JACGohu]

I mean, they speedran their way to ipads and laser turrets with no human intervention and just the resources they had at the demon forest, took less than a year. Evidently, there’s no need for labs and experimentation, they already have the blueprints for all the technologies they’ll need. The fact that an orbital reactor will somehow take hundreds of years, especially considering the exponential nature of factory building, just doesn’t seem to fit with what we’ve already seen. Production of large things can be automated. Hence production of production machines can be automated, ad infinitum. I don’t think there’s a bottleneck of having one highly advanced replicator machine that can’t make parts for itself, but even if there is I can’t see it taking more than a year or two for it to make the machines that can make another one of itself.

Absolutely, but you're ignoring the one thing which I covered in the part about why political relations was necessary; the raw materials. Yes, they speedran to what they have now, which is largely salvaged from the wreckage that made it to the surface. To build anything new, they need more raw materials, and the facilities to fabricate them all; smelters, machine shops, warehouse storage, security for it all, communications networks for all those computers to run themselves and each other, logistical infrastructure, etc. This world doesn't have the logistical capabilities he needs, so he has to establish all of that from the ground up. Can't just pull all that out of thin air, they need to be built. And plain spit, guts, and good intentions make for poor load-bearing walls.

Materials cost money, money which will come from the income they'll get from trade and dealing with other territories and nations, through commerce rights established through friendly relations. All of this is interrelated, which is why those relationships will be important.

 

[kevin282819]

The implication I read into it was that the Spy has some connection to the empire. She knows enough to warn Celeria about the bugs and she uses something that sounds an awful lot like the Empire's catchphrase when she does it. Given that, it seems likely that she either hacked the turrets or used some kind of known glitch in their programming to get in. The question is whether she's from the empire directly like Alan is, or whether she's a descendant of past survivors of some crash, who are responsible for the Starveek kingdom.

He important part here isn't how she got past the guns here (although that's absolute bull crap that she did), it's that she did it undetected. Iris has drones monitoring literally the entire world, there's no way she can get past detection while leading a group that has no clue what's going on. Even if they somehow escaped detection up until that point, there's no way Iris would not find it weird that the automated defenses just shot something, you would check something like that, and seeing a dead rabbit fly out at man height obviously means someone's testing your defenses. She's not from the empire because Iris would be able to detect if another ship was present or had landed recently.

Could be that she simply hasn't told Alan yet, just like how she didn't tell him that in Starveek, co-rulership involves marriage

This isn't random trivia that would have no impact on future decisions (whether he knows about the marriage or not its still happening), this is security being compromised by spies when you are trying to keep everything hidden for as long as possible, this is potential assassination attempts, this is saboteurs, this isn't something you keep hidden from Alan about for fun.

somebody has been running around in the background doing things in a way that isn't visible to Alan, and this just seems like another expression of that

The "goddess" AI has been shown to be able to directly interact with Alan already, there's no point in using a flesh and blood agent to pass on information, and if there was a need it could use literally anyone that isn't hostile to Alan. Also if it could do that in the first place, then it could have started a technological upheavel itself instead of helping along a third party that arrived a few millenia after it.

 

[brjoaoed]

She had a small device in her hand and something else that was able to take a photo. I find it more likely that she is someone from space like Alan that landed here a while ago. She could be someone from the past but I think more than likely she is someone fleeing from the bugs in some way or another.

That is my tought too, or something similar, like as if her family by a few generations have landed there and built roots there, trying to get away from all this chaos with the Alien Bugs.

Or the most common isekai trope, she reincarnated into this Planet but used to be an Empire Citizen.

 

[brjoaoed]

I mean, they speedran their way to ipads and laser turrets with no human intervention and just the resources they had at the demon forest, took less than a year. Evidently, there’s no need for labs and experimentation, they already have the blueprints for all the technologies they’ll need. The fact that an orbital reactor will somehow take hundreds of years, especially considering the exponential nature of factory building, just doesn’t seem to fit with what we’ve already seen. Production of large things can be automated. Hence production of production machines can be automated, ad infinitum. I don’t think there’s a bottleneck of having one highly advanced replicator machine that can’t make parts for itself, but even if there is I can’t see it taking more than a year or two for it to make the machines that can make another one of itself.

My guess is that in such schedule it was included the needed materials, who knows, perhaps some of its materials may not exist in this planet and alternatives must me synthetized from zero, or the blueprints must be changed due to it, or perhaps even if such materials exist they must be rare to find or demands an extreme quantity, however, I do agree, hundreds of years is too much of a stretch, and if they reached such point, why can't they just make a communucation device and call for help instead ?

 

[brjoaoed]

He important part here isn't how she got past the guns here (although that's absolute bull crap that she did), it's that she did it undetected. Iris has drones monitoring literally the entire world, there's no way she can get past detection while leading a group that has no clue what's going on. Even if they somehow escaped detection up until that point, there's no way Iris would not find it weird that the automated defenses just shot something, you would check something like that, and seeing a dead rabbit fly out at man height obviously means someone's testing your defenses. She's not from the empire because Iris would be able to detect if another ship was present or had landed recently.

This isn't random trivia that would have no impact on future decisions (whether he knows about the marriage or not its still happening), this is security being compromised by spies when you are trying to keep everything hidden for as long as possible, this is potential assassination attempts, this is saboteurs, this isn't something you keep hidden from Alan about for fun.


The "goddess" AI has been shown to be able to directly interact with Alan already, there's no point in using a flesh and blood agent to pass on information, and if there was a need it could use literally anyone that isn't hostile to Alan. Also if it could do that in the first place, then it could have started a technological upheavel itself instead of helping along a third party that arrived a few millenia after it.

My theory is that the spy getting in may have been intended by Iris and acknowledged by Alan, of course that someone would sent a scouting party to check Alan new domain, that much was implied and only a matter of time, allowing the Spy to come and go, monitor their actions, and if such info results into conflict, it is a bonus, it turn Alan from an agressor into someone self-defending their domain, making his actions legit under the eyes of his people and putting forward the plan to conquer the Planet.

Option B ? Perhaps stealth magic which is advanced enough to evade cameras,thermal cameras,infrared cameras, motion detectors, radars and laser grids without the knowledge of their existence.. Yeah, no way.

 

[popo53414]

 

[tonie]

I mean, they speedran their way to ipads and laser turrets with no human intervention and just the resources they had at the demon forest, took less than a year. Evidently, there’s no need for labs and experimentation, they already have the blueprints for all the technologies they’ll need. The fact that an orbital reactor will somehow take hundreds of years, especially considering the exponential nature of factory building, just doesn’t seem to fit with what we’ve already seen. Production of large things can be automated. Hence production of production machines can be automated, ad infinitum. I don’t think there’s a bottleneck of having one highly advanced replicator machine that can’t make parts for itself, but even if there is I can’t see it taking more than a year or two for it to make the machines that can make another one of itself.

It's not Dr. Stone to have to start from smashing rocks together, we have basic technology to kickstart everything.
The problem is limited resources.

I doubt they speedran their way to ipads, and if they did these are not latest ipads possible, but more likely some cheap tablets with limited functionality like a calendar, instant messaging app, maybe group chats and some office apps which would explain how fast they were to adapt to those and it helps that they were not afraid to break them while using them, because what puts most people off from learning new things is the fear of breaking expensive piece of equipment. That's why cheaper, simpler phones are better for people with fear like that (like for some elderly people) because they start using them and adapt quickly.

Iris must've had blueprints for cheap & easy to produce terminals/tablets as well as means to reproduce them since these ships fly for so long that the crew was put into cold sleep. For sure if something breaks they will have means to reproduce those instead of filling back for replacement.

However how simple it is to produce a tablet vs a power generator of unknown (to us) materials and with unknown (again to unknown to us) capabilities? Probably in fact they need to produce a ton of tools before even starting to process the raw materials that make the tools to produce the tools to make the reactor. Mind you Iris mentions that they need to build a large scale dock to build a reactor, seeing as on the pages of chapter 20 they show some space station on the orbit I assume they need to build the dock in space, so they will need to launch the materials and tools into space and before launching them, they need to build rockets or some transportations tools. It is quite doubtful they can achieve that with just the drones with surveillance and limited combat capabilities only.

And that is only to build a reactor, after which we have to build entire facility to allow subspace communication.

Also it's true they can all use machines to produce machines ad infinitum... but who will surveil that production?
Who will test whether the products of their work will do? If you mean the machines then I'd think twice about it since no matter how great processor Iris' AI have even she will finally hit the processing limit which will lag entire production. Remember that in the first place why the MC survived is because he was the only awake person with qualifications small enough to squeeze into the ship's mainframe room to replace defective processor module. Meaning they just didn't bother to make maintenance drones for this sort of job, maybe because it was more safe for people to do it on their own since it was because a military vessel which could be damaged in a way its repair would be guaranteed only by a human than a maintenance drone. Or maybe because the possibility of a man's f_ck_up would be less damaging than if a robot broke down while repairing other thing. I mean, try to squeeze out a robot that got stuck/broke down while reaching its limbs towards the rows of processor modules to replace a defect.

If all the jobs could be replaced by robots, the first ones to be replaced would be the soldiers probably.
But the truth is probably that, the humanity's collective brain's processing power is greater than that of a single super-mega-nano-quantum-whatever computer.

Psst, also... remember that those processor modules do break after a time and she literally mentions it will take hundreds of years to make it all on her own probably because she included possibility of the decline of mainframe's processing power.

To create powerful processor modules they require rare materials (as mentioned by Iris) which probably have to be processed first too so you have to account that too.

So in the first place she would have to start devouring her own resources to start production of processor modules as fast as possible by digging and creating machines to process rare materials, maybe even recycle the defective ones.

But the last problem is: An AI such as Iris must receive Human orders.
Creating clones is a clever loophole but it doesn't change the fact that it's a sign of an AI just started going slightly berserk before Alan forbid her from making them.

TL;DR:

• It's not Dr. Stone but also seemingly high tech may be just a cheap chinese-like product.
• Before making an anvil, you need a way to process the iron. Same with everything (rare metals included)
• High processing power in the simple beginnings with declining processing power in the later ages of complex tasks.
• An AI such as Iris must receive Human orders.

 

[tonie]

My guess is that in such schedule it was included the needed materials, who knows, perhaps some of its materials may not exist in this planet and alternatives must me synthetized from zero, or the blueprints must be changed due to it, or perhaps even if such materials exist they must be rare to find or demands an extreme quantity, however, I do agree, hundreds of years is too much of a stretch, and if they reached such point, why can't they just make a communucation device and call for help instead ?

If these materials can be found in the space they can still collect and find them so that's good.
Bad thing is before that they will have to operate mainly on the surface before making a station in space and a large scale dock station which is required to produce the reactor.
All while operating on coal power plants mind you, because they have no other power source on the planet

Also they would need to drop them on the ground or transport to processing plant which first has to be built and secured from any intrusion. To produce iron you first need the means to process it too, after which you can produce more durable stuff and loop it until you can finally process the rare metals.
All while managing on the side infrastructure and making more coal power plants where they burn monster carcasses

After all that is done, they need to start making complex things and start building rockets/transport to the space before building the docks. After docks they build reactor and facility for subspace communication.
Everything operating on Iris' processing mainframe which deteriorates over time and its processor modules have to be replaced by, mind you, a human. She may hit a power saving mode and reduce the usage of her cores but still if she won't start making replacements her brain will die as if she were a human.
Seeing as Iris doesn't know what to do with the defective processor modules but Alan has an idea may suggest that the Empire in fact is quite wasteful which won't may cloud Iris' on how to properly manage her deteriorating assets and might just throw away a module that can work with little fix.

All in all Before we start making complex devices we will waste quite a bit of processing power on making tools and management of stuff so to provide endless working cycle Iris will not run away from the need of producing processors, which require rare metals, on her own.

Not entirely sure why they would take hundreds of years to make that, but taking into account that they need cold sleep for travel and the fact that nearest survey from the empire will be in 1200 years may suggest that the Empire's border or survey vessels are far enough for the signal to travel long time, before even the ships with the rescue mission start moving. So if the distance is long enough but we can build a subspace communication device, let's say the more power it has the further the distance can travel in shorter time, it increases possibilities.

And mind you she will work on power saving mode. She is a ship's management AI with mainframe strong enough to manage combat and whole ship but not a city management AI with mainframe strong enough to handle infrastructure projects, production, planning AND managing the wreckage of a ship on top of that.
No matter how advanced AI, CPU will hit its limit sooner or later which will lag everything down.

There's no mention of what class ship it is , but seeing as the crew is 1200, while googling some aircraft carriers shows the crew 3000 people, some WWII battleships of 2000 people and modern cruisers of 700 may give an inkling of a size and capabilities of such vessel.
Edit: She actually mentions it's a galaxy-class battleship but since not knowing what galaxy-class means it might as well mean something like a budget mid class battleship if there happens to be a universe-class battleship or anything else above.

*Assuming the bugs are the bugs because they are many and of low quality, meanwhile Empire is all about quality of their ships: I'd guess its class may most likely be a cruiser or small battleship possibly with capabilities of landing a small task force on a planet of around 400 or so people, which then became lightweight destroyer's CPU linked with some limited production capabilities for the sake of its own maintenance.
*(Assumption based on how Iris explains possible outcome of a battle with the bug's fleet of 1 vs 16).

Ofc it's all my guesstimating based on my limited knowledge of what I googled and conjured within 5 minutes. Still, it doesn't strike me as the most powerful vessel in the fleet of the Empire.
After all it's an armed exploration vessel.

 

[sat129]

Honestly my problem is that he doesn't fess up that he's from space. Like, bro.

Yeah i agree with that too, i think they hinted its coming eventually. maybe at the end of this arc

 

[KeiN9]

Was anyone outside of the space group calling him His Excellency?
Cause from what I remember, the only ones who know that title are the starveek leaders and cyrus' group

 

[brjoaoed]

If these materials can be found in the space they can still collect and find them so that's good.
Bad thing is before that they will have to operate mainly on the surface before making a station in space and a large scale dock station which is required to produce the reactor.
All while operating on coal power plants mind you, because they have no other power source on the planet

Also they would need to drop them on the ground or transport to processing plant which first has to be built and secured from any intrusion. To produce iron you first need the means to process it too, after which you can produce more durable stuff and loop it until you can finally process the rare metals.
All while managing on the side infrastructure and making more coal power plants where they burn monster carcasses

After all that is done, they need to start making complex things and start building rockets/transport to the space before building the docks. After docks they build reactor and facility for subspace communication.
Everything operating on Iris' processing mainframe which deteriorates over time and its processor modules have to be replaced by, mind you, a human. She may hit a power saving mode and reduce the usage of her cores but still if she won't start making replacements her brain will die as if she were a human.
Seeing as Iris doesn't know what to do with the defective processor modules but Alan has an idea may suggest that the Empire in fact is quite wasteful which won't may cloud Iris' on how to properly manage her deteriorating assets and might just throw away a module that can work with little fix.

All in all Before we start making complex devices we will waste quite a bit of processing power on making tools and management of stuff so to provide endless working cycle Iris will not run away from the need of producing processors, which require rare metals, on her own.

Not entirely sure why they would take hundreds of years to make that, but taking into account that they need cold sleep for travel and the fact that nearest survey from the empire will be in 1200 years may suggest that the Empire's border or survey vessels are far enough for the signal to travel long time, before even the ships with the rescue mission start moving. So if the distance is long enough but we can build a subspace communication device, let's say the more power it has the further the distance can travel in shorter time, it increases possibilities.

And mind you she will work on power saving mode. She is a ship's management AI with mainframe strong enough to manage combat and whole ship but not a city management AI with mainframe strong enough to handle infrastructure projects, production, planning AND managing the wreckage of a ship on top of that.
No matter how advanced AI, CPU will hit its limit sooner or later which will lag everything down.

There's no mention of what class ship it is, but seeing as the crew is 1200, while googling some aircraft carriers shows the crew 3000 people, some WWII battleships of 2000 people and modern cruisers of 700 may give an inkling of a size and capabilities of such vessel.

*Assuming the bugs are the bugs because they are many and of low quality, meanwhile Empire is all about quality of their ships: I'd guess its class may most likely be a cruiser or small battleship possibly with capabilities of landing a small task force on a planet of around 400 or so people, which then became lightweight destroyer's CPU linked with some limited production capabilities for the sake of its own maintenance.
*(Assumption based on how Iris explains possible outcome of a battle with the bug's fleet of 1 vs 16).

Ofc it's all my guesstimating based on my limited knowledge of what I googled and conjured within 5 minutes. Still, it doesn't strike me as the most powerful vessel in the fleet of the Empire.
After all it's an armed exploration vessel.

Fair point however, while coal may be a initial energy source, they could also try Thermal, nuclear, solar, etc..

Also, hydrogen can be used to make hydrazine to be used as rocket fuel, and while your assumption of Iris deterioariton makes sense, you fail to acknowledge that she could automate such process and build computer specially made to manage such materials productions while supervised by trained humans who went through a training capsule.


So she could A train humans to manage such sectors and use outdated but easy to make computers or B, make a cloning facility and get DNA samples from those people to create imperial clones who were born to accomplish such tasks and operate the facilities to the letter.


Her workload would only be dealing with the processed reports of such facilities, leaving her processing power to focus on other stuff. Also, multiple server rooms could be built to increase her processing power as relay stations, while thry may be deemed outdated if they lack too many resources, it could still work through sheer quantity.

Oh, and last one, if they find something similar to Corn they could produce Ethanol and use it to power their transport vehicles through a special combustion engine. This way sparing eletronics needed for electrical transportation means, while some of the ECU would deem some eletronics, it wouldn't use as much.

TLR there are many alternatives, but of course it will take time, but hundreds of years ? Nahh..

 

[tonie]

they could also try Thermal, nuclear, solar, etc..

Solar is too inefficient for production centers. Look at Germany right now and working up their coal power plants because they closed down their nuclear ones LMAO. But yeah nuclear and stuff is valid, although the power source does not matter much, what matters is the need for one since they can't produce it out of nowhere.

Also keep in mind using multiple sources of power means increasing your maintenance costs through the roof.
By building one type, for example coal or nuclear, you will only have to keep and produce spare parts and repair only for those. If you add thermal and solar your maintenance increases even more.

Also, hydrogen can be used to make hydrazine to be used as rocket fuel

Yes, but that's also another step they need to make and supervise.

she could automate such process and build computer specially made to

Yes if it's simple stuff then yes, otherwise no. If it's about surveying, checking the materials, testing the products, devising the long term strategy and applying corrections when needed it's all a task for a Human or an AI and if the AI could be run on simple stuff, China wouldn't have bothered about acquiring Nvidia cards even after they were banned from doing so.

they could produce Ethanol and use it to power their transport vehicles

Of course! Nobody is stopping them! I don't mean to say they can't do that, they can even run on coal for all I care.

What I mean by transport being an issue is that it has to be operated either by humans or by an AI (even if we build railroads and maintain them). If by an AI it further deteriorates the mainframe. Another task means another decrease in efficiency, possibly lagging the system, increase in the processor usage and deterioration.

So we have on the processes:

• Surveying.
• Extraction of raw materials (drills may run on simple chips, but AI has to decide where to drill).
• Building facilities.
• Patrolling and securing the facilities.
• Quality checks for production.
• Production maintenance (what and how to fix).
• All form transportation.
• Refining various types of fuel (and in case of uranium also enrichment) and its distribution.
• Producing power from various sources and managing power plants.
• Providing infrastructure and distributing power to facilities.
• Keeping mainframe in pristine condition.
• Strategy planning.
• Natural disaster management.

Every new thing is two to three more things to supervise.
Since she will not be able to drop any of the old processes since she will need them continuously until the day she sends signal and possibly set up defenses for a fight, it won't be as simple as it was in Dr. Stone when he made one thing, then repurposed his previous tool/machine to a new one and made another thing. And when needed he repurposed it back again (with the help of his craftsman friends).

make a cloning facility

That's an AI going rogue. As I said in my other reply to someone else:

Creating clones is a clever loophole but it doesn't change the fact that it's a sign of an AI just started going slightly berserk before Alan forbid her from making them.

She says she has to take orders from a Human. However circumstances of her saying that were quite interesting. She said that when everybody except Alan died, saying:
- "Usually the captain of a Galaxy-class Battleship is mostly a commodore, but since you are the only one left alive"
- "An AI such as I must receive human orders".
(Oh she mentions the class actually, so I updated my previous statement but it's still at best a "mid class" battleship imho)
So in case there's no other human left alive (or Alan gave her back the permission for cloning) and her orders were to go back or report at all cost, then there's the possibility of her actually practicing human cloning, otherwise I still think it's the start of a

Spoiler: safe

 

[Cpl_Facehugger]

He important part here isn't how she got past the guns here (although that's absolute bull crap that she did), it's that she did it undetected. Iris has drones monitoring literally the entire world, there's no way she can get past detection while leading a group that has no clue what's going on. Even if they somehow escaped detection up until that point, there's no way Iris would not find it weird that the automated defenses just shot something, you would check something like that, and seeing a dead rabbit fly out at man height obviously means someone's testing your defenses. She's not from the empire because Iris would be able to detect if another ship was present or had landed recently.

This isn't random trivia that would have no impact on future decisions (whether he knows about the marriage or not its still happening), this is security being compromised by spies when you are trying to keep everything hidden for as long as possible, this is potential assassination attempts, this is saboteurs, this isn't something you keep hidden from Alan about for fun.


The "goddess" AI has been shown to be able to directly interact with Alan already, there's no point in using a flesh and blood agent to pass on information, and if there was a need it could use literally anyone that isn't hostile to Alan. Also if it could do that in the first place, then it could have started a technological upheavel itself instead of helping along a third party that arrived a few millenia after it.

Eh, maybe, but I think that involves a lot of assumptions about Iris' capabilities and motivations that we can't necessarily make.

I mean, given how they're in the middle of the demon forest that humans consider uninhabitable because of how many monsters there are, I can easily see how demon rabbits getting shot just gets logged and ignored - it probably happens a lot. It's like how real life radar filters out a lot of clutter like birds and stuff. Iris being an AI might make her more likely to catch stuff like this, but even her processing resources are limited and she'd probably not personally audit every single time the turrets open up on a critter if it happens as much as it's implied, since it would be a waste of processing cycles she can use on other things. Analyzing a recording (if the turrets even do record that instead of just logging "shot at a rabbit, expended x shots") to see that the rabbit didn't move quite right is the sort of thing that would need an intelligent mind looking over the situation and deciding to look deeper.

And that's assuming she doesn't know. Personally, I suspect she knows full well what's happening from drones overhead and is withholding that information from Alan just like how she withheld the information about the clones from him. Why would she do that? My guess is because she wants to find out what's going on and how this weird person managed to get by her death lasers and she's taking initiative without telling Allen just like she's done repeatedly in this story so far. I suspect strongly that if the spy girl did anything at all hostile, she'd have copped a space hellfire missile to the face courtesy of Iris.

Maybe I'll be wrong though. It's not like we can look ahead to see what's going on in the WN/LN because the WN ended before they even made it to the forest, so this is all new content.

 

[brjoaoed]

Solar is too inefficient for production centers. Look at Germany right now and working up their coal power plants because they closed down their nuclear ones LMAO. But yeah nuclear and stuff is valid, although the power source does not matter much, what matters is the need for one since they can't produce it out of nowhere.

Also keep in mind using multiple sources of power means increasing your maintenance costs through the roof.
By building one type, for example coal or nuclear, you will only have to keep and produce spare parts and repair only for those. If you add thermal and solar your maintenance increases even more.

Yes, but that's also another step they need to make and supervise.

Yes if it's simple stuff then yes, otherwise no. If it's about surveying, checking the materials, testing the products, devising the long term strategy and applying corrections when needed it's all a task for a Human or an AI and if the AI could be run on simple stuff, China wouldn't have bothered about acquiring Nvidia cards even after they were banned from doing so.

Of course! Nobody is stopping them! I don't mean to say they can't do that, they can even run on coal for all I care.

What I mean by transport being an issue is that it has to be operated either by humans or by an AI (even if we build railroads and maintain them). If by an AI it further deteriorates the mainframe. Another task means another decrease in efficiency, possibly lagging the system, increase in the processor usage and deterioration.

So we have on the processes:

• Surveying.
• Extraction of raw materials (drills may run on simple chips, but AI has to decide where to drill).
• Building facilities.
• Patrolling and securing the facilities.
• Quality checks for production.
• Production maintenance (what and how to fix).
• All form transportation.
• Refining various types of fuel (and in case of uranium also enrichment) and its distribution.
• Producing power from various sources and managing power plants.
• Providing infrastructure and distributing power to facilities.
• Keeping mainframe in pristine condition.
• Strategy planning.
• Natural disaster management.

Every new thing is two to three more things to supervise.
Since she will not be able to drop any of the old processes since she will need them continuously until the day she sends signal and possibly set up defenses for a fight, it won't be as simple as it was in Dr. Stone when he made one thing, then repurposed his previous tool/machine to a new one and made another thing. And when needed he repurposed it back again (with the help of his craftsman friends).


That's an AI going rogue. As I said in my other reply to someone else:

She says she has to take orders from a Human. However circumstances of her saying that were quite interesting. She said that when everybody except Alan died, saying:
- "Usually the captain of a Galaxy-class Battleship is mostly a commodore, but since you are the only one left alive"
- "An AI such as I must receive human orders".
(Oh she mentions the class actually, so I updated my previous statement but it's still at best a "mid class" battleship imho)
So in case there's no other human left alive (or Alan gave her back the permission for cloning) and her orders were to go back or report at all cost, then there's the possibility of her actually practicing human cloning, otherwise I still think it's the start of a

Spoiler: safe

I mean, in my opinion due to the current circunstances, cloning is a good option, because compared to outiside sources of manpower, those will be built to be LOYAL to the Empire, they will have knowledge on manufacturing a large of stuff and operating equipment, firearms usage, survival techniques and more through the built in memories and training capsules, sure, Alan could provide such training VR capsules to the residents and do a lot of propaganda for them to convert to the Empire.


While I understand his and everyone reasoning about morals and ethics about such indoctrination, the bugs are coming, and be prepared is a must, even if the cost is one morals.

I think of cloning here like in Star Wars:Clone Wars, about how the republic have built the Clone Army to fight the CIS(The surface part that is), and by doing such thing they hadn't burdened the actual population with the casualties of a War. I'm no saying that those clones would be less of a human being, more actually that they are specialized for the tasks.

And lets be honest, with Iris library of data and VR capsules, they could build the Empire in this Planet too, be it culture, language, technology, and laws, so it seems quite interesting in its own way, having Alan building the Empire instead of returning to it, and when the bugs come, he shall be prepared.

 

[tonie]

I mean, in my opinion due to the current circunstances, cloning is a good option

It isn't and will never be a good option for Iris to clone them.
Why? Because these clones will ultimately be clones of her own AI. Even if she uses different genetic material, the education method remains the same, and I know Alan was going through similar educational process, but he gained external experience and can think for himself, meanwhile her clones will be no different than puppets revering to her as if she's a god, ultimately infallible.

But what's wrong with that? If she is wrong with something, the clones will never voice their objections. What's that? Conquer people and turn them into batteries? All hail matrix! Clones will rever to her just like the twins rever to Alan right now.
A princess of backwater country is nothing compared to a technician First Lieutant, who got roped into position of a captain due to a stroke of luck of him being the only survivor.

Cloning has a chance if there is proper education and there's someone to oversee the process of them growing up. But the problem with cloning is that they grow and educate too fast, meaning you may be raising mass murderers and without even realizing it'll be too late.
Also since Iris has to take orders from humans so the moment one is made she will lose all authority while at the same time they will probably still be listening to her advices without a single objection unless they decide to revolt and think they are the greatest and backwater planet is filled with inferior species to be ruled over.

In star wars they had educators there probably. Or some people overseeing the clones. In here the only person fitting the position is Alan and he is doing great job correcting the mesugakis I mean the twins, but still it's too little manpower for that at least for now.

 

[kevin282819]

Eh, maybe, but I think that involves a lot of assumptions about Iris' capabilities and motivations that we can't necessarily make.

I mean, given how they're in the middle of the demon forest that humans consider uninhabitable because of how many monsters there are, I can easily see how demon rabbits getting shot just gets logged and ignored - it probably happens a lot. It's like how real life radar filters out a lot of clutter like birds and stuff. Iris being an AI might make her more likely to catch stuff like this, but even her processing resources are limited and she'd probably not personally audit every single time the turrets open up on a critter if it happens as much as it's implied, since it would be a waste of processing cycles she can use on other things. Analyzing a recording (if the turrets even do record that instead of just logging "shot at a rabbit, expended x shots") to see that the rabbit didn't move quite right is the sort of thing that would need an intelligent mind looking over the situation and deciding to look deeper.

And that's assuming she doesn't know. Personally, I suspect she knows full well what's happening from drones overhead and is withholding that information from Alan just like how she withheld the information about the clones from him. Why would she do that? My guess is because she wants to find out what's going on and how this weird person managed to get by her death lasers and she's taking initiative without telling Allen just like she's done repeatedly in this story so far. I suspect strongly that if the spy girl did anything at all hostile, she'd have copped a space hellfire missile to the face courtesy of Iris.

Maybe I'll be wrong though. It's not like we can look ahead to see what's going on in the WN/LN because the WN ended before they even made it to the forest, so this is all new content.

You're missing something about the filters, a computer AI is the one filtering that information out for the human operators. Iris is an AI, the one doing the filtering. On limited processing power of Iris, she is literally recording random conversations in bars around the world. You want to say she can't be bothered to check the shots of weapons that are throwing out lethal force in an area where civilians were recently introduced to and can potentially wander in to the firing arcs of?

Regarding hostile action, she just let information get released to the outside world about the location and development level, something Alan has been specifically trying to prevent and delay as much as he can. Also if she was curious, then she let an unknown entity with unknown capabilities that exceed current expectations of people in this world, but is a known hostile, get within touching distance of a VIP. That is a mind bogglingly stupid risk to take. This is like betting your betting your life against $100 in blackjack, and then hitting after getting a 20.

 

[Gudachiz]

this manga's really good, also we already know the current kingodm can't do shit regardless, if they ask to hand her over, even if they did have proof they'll just be killed tbh with the king probably spared

 

[zerio]

Did the princess realize she thought wrong about the marriage? But she didn't look that depressed. Or was she embarrassed because of something else?

I think there is someone else in the same situation as Alan's group. Like from the Interstellar Empire, crashed landed on that world long before Alan. But instead of using their advance tech to build a power base, it seems that this supposed group used their tech to infiltrate local government and set their own powerbase in the shadow. It could be this group lost a lot of their tech but managed to have a few smaller scale tech that is more useful in another way. For example, if Alan's group have a functioning industrial replicator, this other group have a functioning personal replicator.

I also think she's from the space, but I'm still not sure if she was there from long time ago. She called Alan as His Excellency, meaning she knew about his promotion as the captain of the ship. If she was in that planet long before, how does she know about Alan? Does Iris know her?

But then again, she acted like she has been under Starveek Kingdom for a while.

So many questions.

 

[Kuyu]

It really doesn't make sense for those spies to get in. Even if they are able to somehow neutralize the front scanners, they shouldn't have been able to avoid the drones from the sky.

 

[terranmcv]

Special Announcement. Before this chapter was translated, it was released online in Japanese on January 26th. According to the Japanese website, the next chapter will be released on February 23rd. This means that the pace of chapter releases has accelerated from 1 chapter per 2 months to 1 chapter per 1 month.

It seem delayed to March 22nd.

Fyi, chapter 47 which was released in January 2024, should have been released in December 2023, because in chapter 46 (raw) which was released in November 2023, it says next schedule (chapter 47) is December 22nd, 2023. And now, chapter 48 which was supposed to be released in February 2024, postponed to March 2024.
The release schedule is very inconsistent