Maou to Yuusha no Tatakai no Ura de - Vol. 4 Ch. 16 - Considerations and Preperations IX

[darkgunner]

Thanks for the new chapter! Really great job, looking forward the next one!!

I really like the art, although I can understand not everyone liking it. Obviously not all panels are masterpieces, but I don't have any problems with that.

 

[nBKujou]

competent, non-corrupt nobles are so satisfying to read.
more of them please.

 

[jenev]

*old man
Probably former bishounen though.

Knowing this artist, he's gonna be the most handsome oldest man you'll see. Until a new older man shows up. :V

 

[totallytotally]

Really enjoying this, which is a surprise, and the art is almost like an homage to some classic 80's series, so I'm enjoying that too.
The rare high quality LN adaptation.

 

[kaezeribato]

Not just in terms of taste, but objectively too

That's not what objetivity mean... That's purely your personal taste, in otherword you're totaly subjetive.

If you wanted to be objective you would have taken into account that even background character all have different face, that if you are not blind, you can easily differenciate all character.

People eat way too much generic trash with overly polished "art" and copy past design... No wonder we have hundred of Sword Art Online character look alike today...
People like you are the one that argue that Oh! Great! is bad, because his way of drawing is quite unique, just because you dont like it.

 

[Lenasien]

Prolly, it's hard to take what Werner seek on this chapter, especially who doesn't involve or maybe follow magic deep theory stuff series like Type Moon.

To put it simply, what I can understand is MC proposed to reanalyze fundamental again from scratch, so they'll have better understanding on countering enemy magic. This will help considering enemy, especially who can command an army, since they have magic as their disposal.

 

[feha]

That's not what objetivity mean... That's purely your personal taste, in otherword you're totaly subjetive.

No, it's objective. If one artstyle makes characters recognizable, and the other does not, in a medium where recognizable characters is a requirement - then the first is objectively better than the second.
It is objective because it is not in a vacuum, and we have a couple value-functions that need to at least pass an "acceptable grade" before it can be considered good for the purpose.

If you wanted to be objective you would have taken into account that even background character all have different face, that if you are not blind, you can easily differenciate all character.

They do not though? Aside from mc (and maybe the hero) they all look alike, as a result of having a more realistic artstyle.

People eat way too much generic trash with overly polished "art" and copy past design... No wonder we have hundred of Sword Art Online character look alike today...
People like you are the one that argue that Oh! Great! is bad, because his way of drawing is quite unique, just because you dont like it.

No. I argue it is bad because it actively makes it harder to follow what is happening in the story.

 

[RudoRonuma]

Western Zhuge Liang?!

 

[trollatron786]

I disagree i think its a very unique art style

 

[NamaeX]

I look at the art and I'm thinking Final Fantasy's Yoshitaka Amano cover and manual art.

 

[JamieTMR]

Prolly, it's hard to take what Werner seek on this chapter, especially who doesn't involve or maybe follow magic deep theory stuff series like Type Moon.

To put it simply, what I can understand is MC proposed to reanalyze fundamental again from scratch, so they'll have better understanding on countering enemy magic. This will help considering enemy, especially who can command an army, since they have magic as their disposal.

Effectively, yes, starting with the premise that mana isn't just limited inside the body, but in the surrounding area. My personal guess is that one of the anti-magic countermeasure is along the lines of sucking the mana from the surroundings of enemy mages so once they run out of mana, they can't get it back.

I look at the art and I'm thinking Final Fantasy's Yoshitaka Amano cover and manual art.

YES. It's a very bishy, very thin-lined style that, now you mention it, definitely reminds me of Yoshitaka Amano (who has also drawn arts of Castlevania (Alucard being the one everyone remembers, because Alucard is the bishiest of bishes) and The Eternal Champion covers (Michael Moorcock, alas, replaced in the modern day by the SF&F Masterworks Shitty Yellow Cover)

EDIT: "But Soma Cruz though!" "Shaddap, Alucard 4 lyfe"

 

[Lenasien]

Effectively, yes, starting with the premise that mana isn't just limited inside the body, but in the surrounding area. My personal guess is that one of the anti-magic countermeasure is along the lines of sucking the mana from the surroundings of enemy mages so once they run out of mana, they can't get it back.

No need until enemies run out of mana,

Spoiler

just try suck natural mana until their aoe magic become ineffective is already huge accomplish

It kinda spoiler though, haha

 

[alexandergc]

Waiting for Duke Seyfert to be revealed as an absolute GREMLIN of a man who only accomplished his rank because of amazing feats that couldn't be ignored by the king.

 

[cryum]

I'm super sleepy rn so I only half-understood this: so basically there's also magic power in the air, and when people use spells, they are utilizing both magic within themselves and the magic in the environment, is this correct?

There is MP inside the air, and MP inside people. The hypothesis is that spells spend both.

The first tier of tests verifies that if you use up the MP in the air, what happens to spells?

The second tier of tests verifies which type of spell is prioritized when there's not enough MP in the air for all of them.

MC mentions magic tools to check if they also count as "spells" for the consumption of MP in the air.

And there's an implication of finding the optimal combinations of mages, tools, etc. to get the most use for each spell, as well as whether there's any tactical significance to this knowledge.

 

[Ochredog]

Thansk for the translation. such a pity that the art is bad (for my taste, almost like ya**). kinda hope that they would release 2 a month or even 1 a week, well, japan manga adaptation rarely do that. and reading the novel will definitley make my head overheat.

What? I think the art in this is incredible. Many of the panels look so well thought out, it reminds me when I'm experimenting with drawing certain things for fun and learning purposes. Like, it feels like things are drawn not just out of obligation, but because the artist genuinely wants to draw it, which makes what they have chosen to draw seem creative to me, compared with most other manga. Ntm, a lot of the art in this is very detailed, particularly clothing, armor, and historical things. I like it a lot actually.

 

[Ochredog]

Yeah, the art really is bad. Not just in terms of taste, but objectively too (faces look similar, impossible to distinguish. Hair too. Mc literally is only one who got black hair because otherwise there would be no way to know when we got mc on-screen vs a side-char; lots of details drawn in the bg's, like decorative reliefs carved into the wood. Making it much more cluttered. And often it is not even detailed everywhere, making it a mess where large parts have the details fade out etc; tons of panels have little to do with what's actually happening, only serving as a backdrop for dialogue. So we get useless images like a random shot of undeads; finally, it feels a bit like scales changes constantly, and overall perspective is off a bit quite often (like that horse where a trailing stick has somehow bounced ahead of the horse's backlegs and seems to be about to (near-?)hit the rider).

Anyone that claims otherwise does not realize they are reading a manga, and are instead trying to review each panel in a vacuum (Yes. The panels are artsy - aka detailed and aims to portray realistic human features. That is the problem).

And like you said, there are way too much detailed/cluttered plot that is heavily dependent on names (characters, countries, places, etc). So the release-frequency really doesn't work (we always forgot what it is about - in terms of plot-details - by the time next chapter comes out).

literally everything you mentioned not liking about the art were things I liked about it lol. To each their own ig.