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What will happen to people who make comics with Ai technology?
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It's already bad that it's AI-generated but not tagged as such.
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I can see how manga artist and writers can use it as a tool in the future, but I don't think AI tech is nowhere near in being creative enough to create an engaging story. That might change in 5 or 15 years tho.
Here's Inio Asano use Unreal for backdrops for example. It's a tool for him, but he still has to have the skills to draw and story tell.
This is outside my knowledge but. I think we are still at the top of the hype cycle when it comes to AI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle
Right now, I think everyone is talking about because it is the emerging technology and billionaires want the investment money. I think it'll make a big impact, but not as big as impact as people think it would be.
That being said, I don't know much about this stuff, so it is outside my wheelhouse.
Here's Inio Asano use Unreal for backdrops for example. It's a tool for him, but he still has to have the skills to draw and story tell.
This is outside my knowledge but. I think we are still at the top of the hype cycle when it comes to AI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle
Right now, I think everyone is talking about because it is the emerging technology and billionaires want the investment money. I think it'll make a big impact, but not as big as impact as people think it would be.
That being said, I don't know much about this stuff, so it is outside my wheelhouse.
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I don't know about in general but I do know AI-generated manga is currently not allowed on MangaDex, I remember there being a whole thread talking about it and this 'manga' coming up in the discussion (that I can't find right now).
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AI is just a tool. If you see a picture and think "s*it, another AI crap" - it's another crap regardless how it was made. On the other hand, AI can save a lot of time for artist, for example, to generate unimportant backgrounds.
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Nothing will happen.
The moment they use AI as a sole tool, their "manga" is dead on arrival.
AI art has zero or even less value for most people, what makes you think it'll be relevant in the future?
The moment they use AI as a sole tool, their "manga" is dead on arrival.
AI art has zero or even less value for most people, what makes you think it'll be relevant in the future?
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There's one uploader that circumvents the "no AI" rule by using multiple fake alt accounts lol. The original is (or pretends to be) a Chinese, posting their AI crap on LINE Webtoons' Canvas. The English site for some reason instead of the two Chinese version sites.
Whenever a comment asks if it's AI gen, they reply with clown shit like "Im doing this MYSELF, BY HAND, using Clip Studio Paint and SD". It's really dumb but some in the comments fell for it...
Then using a totally different person in MD, they upload their "translation" to give legitimacy that the "English" is the real one. I don't know if it's still here untagged, I didn't bother reporting when I saw it.
Whenever a comment asks if it's AI gen, they reply with clown shit like "Im doing this MYSELF, BY HAND, using Clip Studio Paint and SD". It's really dumb but some in the comments fell for it...
Then using a totally different person in MD, they upload their "translation" to give legitimacy that the "English" is the real one. I don't know if it's still here untagged, I didn't bother reporting when I saw it.
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It's an interesting question. Personally, I find most AI depressing. As I'm the kinda reader that over-analyzed the manga panels he reads. In the other hand, it could open the door to new creative voices that either lacked the artistic talent to draw or lack the finances. But manga is a visual medium foremost and any work that heavily relies on AI will lose a lot of coherency and charm.
With all that in mind, what I predict is three use cases of AI.
1- Successful mangaka may use it to create elements that are not that important to their story, like backgrounds in a Shoujo manga.
2- Some new comers may start relying heavily on AI to generate panels, and after some success, they will start hiring real artists.
3- The final case is where most people will fall. Where thousands of passionate individuals will start incorporating AI visuals to create the panels for their original/fanfiction stories.
As long as the use of AI is traceable/tagged I'm not that bothered. Like with pixiv where you can hide all AI works with a simple switch.
With all that in mind, what I predict is three use cases of AI.
1- Successful mangaka may use it to create elements that are not that important to their story, like backgrounds in a Shoujo manga.
2- Some new comers may start relying heavily on AI to generate panels, and after some success, they will start hiring real artists.
3- The final case is where most people will fall. Where thousands of passionate individuals will start incorporating AI visuals to create the panels for their original/fanfiction stories.
As long as the use of AI is traceable/tagged I'm not that bothered. Like with pixiv where you can hide all AI works with a simple switch.
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i tried to use ai beforehand
it requires a lot of power and it is greatly retarded
here's my secret: even with rtx 4080 i cant fucking render special effects properly
movies require like months of enormous render power for seconds of decent "decent" cg to be rendered
yet alone fucking AI
whats truly depressing is that theres beta who gives money to ai and shitty software instead of pirating
there is sigma who buys software to pirate them
and then there is chad who makes software and shitty ai services and prices them not for free
"chad" = trash and evil
i would never wish to be chad or to be rembered as some fucking guy who made bucks with the most shitty thing ever
it requires a lot of power and it is greatly retarded
here's my secret: even with rtx 4080 i cant fucking render special effects properly
movies require like months of enormous render power for seconds of decent "decent" cg to be rendered
yet alone fucking AI
whats truly depressing is that theres beta who gives money to ai and shitty software instead of pirating
there is sigma who buys software to pirate them
and then there is chad who makes software and shitty ai services and prices them not for free
"chad" = trash and evil
i would never wish to be chad or to be rembered as some fucking guy who made bucks with the most shitty thing ever
Technically we have enough pre-AI mangas to last several lifetimes. If only groups are bothered to translate the rest of them. But at this point, it will be shitty MTL anyways.
I honestly suspect good amount of recent-ish tankoubon releases are AI-enhanced instead of being properly fixed/redrawn. I've also read comments saying some backgrounds in mahwas and manhuas are AI-generated. I don't know about that, I couldn't tell.
Publishers and anime studios probably want to produce titles completely with AI, including the stories. Then they can fire everyone except an underpaid supervisor that needs to check several different animes/mangas.
We are in hell, aren't we? Or some kind of purgatory?
I honestly suspect good amount of recent-ish tankoubon releases are AI-enhanced instead of being properly fixed/redrawn. I've also read comments saying some backgrounds in mahwas and manhuas are AI-generated. I don't know about that, I couldn't tell.
Publishers and anime studios probably want to produce titles completely with AI, including the stories. Then they can fire everyone except an underpaid supervisor that needs to check several different animes/mangas.
We are in hell, aren't we? Or some kind of purgatory?
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I think you guys are coming from a place of privilege. If AI can make a comic creator more money faster then power to them. No need to die with your pen in your hand. If this reduces the need for assistants, great. Maybe those assistants can use AI to make their debut or to help them get out of a stagnation period in their career. Japan made tons of slop manga anyway without the use of AI. It won't really change anything. In fact, there are stories that are worse than what AI could have come up with at this stage. The authors pushing out slop will just use AI to make it easier. They have a right to. The AI manga that are successful beyond revenue will have been tailored by someone with talent and a keen eye. Art it limitless so there will always be cases where AI can't perfectly portray what the author has in mind. Therefore, the author will need to step in and take over the perspective.
How many manga are using character designs and tropes that have existed for decades? How many manga with the exact same premise but with slightly different circumstances? Authors borrow from each other all the time and its not because they want to make art. It's a living.
How many manga are using character designs and tropes that have existed for decades? How many manga with the exact same premise but with slightly different circumstances? Authors borrow from each other all the time and its not because they want to make art. It's a living.
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Who cares lol, applaud the ones who ship something good, call the mediocre ones slop. It literally doesn't affect you at all nor threatens your livelihood, if you're so inclined to do something about it, support your local artist, commision work for them, buy their stuff, buy mangas and blurays from shows that pay barely a living wage to their workers, etc.
Not a single one of those points justifies the massive unauthorized consumption of other artist's works for your own profit that are needed to make any kind of working image AI model. There is a reason why counterfeit paintings are looked down on, and the so called AI(which being honest is more of a statistical simulator than intelligence to begin with) is counterfeiting taken to an extreme.
People that consume this type media are entirely right to be concerned about it, and no, no one is entitled to use other's works for profits without their express authorization, this shouldn't even be a discussion. If we were talking about educational purposes or non-profits then there might have been space for discussion, but this is strictly commercial.
