Class de 2 Banme ni Kawaii Onna no Ko to Tomodachi ni Natta - Ch. 31.1 - Meeting

[TNT261]

Wait, Are the parents really unwilling to meet? Have they ever met before this? No wonder he's been holding stuff in. If the marriage just felt apart and they don't hold any positive feelings for each other, that's fine, but they are still the parents of the same child. They need to at least act like it. As in act like freaking adults. Not children on the playground who got mad so they're ignoring the other. That's not how that works. Like if Maki was active in extracurriculars and invited them both to watch him would they rotate attendce so they don't see each other? Would they make a scene of avoiding the other at his event?

I haven't had the privelege of getting divorced after a bad marriage; I have had the privilege of my parents splitting up and one parent pretty much disappearing from my life (well it's not like they were there even when we were in the same house tbh). It sucks. It sucks differently for each person, but it still just sucks. Parents promise they still love "you" and yet can't muster the care to be adults for five minutes. They will always have a relationship as mother and father (parents) to their child. You don't divorce that when you sign the papers. Part of that means not suddenly running away when you child goes to extreme lengths to talk to both of you at the same time about something. Beyond that it really means that your child shouldn't have to go to extreme lengths to have a discussion with both of their parents.

 

[Haze123553]

he didnt cheat tho

Still a dead beat.

Can't even deny it, guy ruined his marriage for work, got with a younger subordinate who's below him and even then focuses on Work.

Say what you want about the mom she atleast put in effort into the marriage and raising the kid. This guy would choose work over his son and even if you don't believe that the fact I can make a good arguement for it kinda just proves he a dead beat.

 

[shinshom]

Still a dead beat.

Can't even deny it, guy ruined his marriage for work, got with a younger subordinate who's below him and even then focuses on Work.

Say what you want about the mom she atleast put in effort into the marriage and raising the kid. This guy would choose work over his son and even if you don't believe that the fact I can make a good arguement for it kinda just proves he a dead beat.

Actually he is focussing on work but their relationship is mostly fine.... its mostly the girlfriend that is noticing that the dad rly misses the kid.

And this argument of "he would chose work over his son" is utterly ridiculous. his family only could afford the life they had because of him.

His mom could work and take care of stuff, but because Maki started to help a shit ton in the house. its not so black and white, as how you try to portray.

 

[shinshom]

Wait, Are the parents really unwilling to meet? Have they ever met before this? No wonder he's been holding stuff in. If the marriage just felt apart and they don't hold any positive feelings for each other, that's fine, but they are still the parents of the same child. They need to at least act like it. As in act like freaking adults. Not children on the playground who got mad so they're ignoring the other. That's not how that works. Like if Maki was active in extracurriculars and invited them both to watch him would they rotate attendce so they don't see each other? Would they make a scene of avoiding the other at his event?

I haven't had the privelege of getting divorced after a bad marriage; I have had the privilege of my parents splitting up and one parent pretty much disappearing from my life (well it's not like they were there even when we were in the same house tbh). It sucks. It sucks differently for each person, but it still just sucks. Parents promise they still love "you" and yet can't muster the care to be adults for five minutes. They will always have a relationship as mother and father (parents) to their child. You don't divorce that when you sign the papers. Part of that means not suddenly running away when you child goes to extreme lengths to talk to both of you at the same time about something. Beyond that it really means that your child shouldn't have to go to extreme lengths to have a discussion with both of their parents.

thats how it is mostly in Japan, which is kinda sad.... yhis is rly quite normal... parents just cut communication completly.

Pay child support and thats it. Mostly one parent get the full custody and ggs

 

[Moody0_0]

soon, my fella.

The main thing is him being a selfish kid that he was not allowed himself to be when they got divorced. Thats the whole point.

Ill be honest, I dont think that validates this at all. Hes just gonna reopen old wounds and yell at them? He could very much heal this wounds in a much healthier way by being selfish and actually making his relationship official and getting all that love and adoration he so craves from her, her friends, and her family. And it will send the same message to his family when they see he rather be elsewhere.

Its exactly what I did with my ex. When I saw what a proper functional family looked like, and how welcoming they were to me. I just spent more time around them.

Sure you can say MC is a kid and is doing the immature kid thing rather than be something more mature and adult like. But im more frustrated with is to me the Author is pushing this as a big W for the MC. When in reality all I feel it would do is make everyone more upset all around, and just make the bitterness and resentment worse. But seeing as how this is anime, the parents will probably instead of becoming overcome with emotions and just blaming each other or try and justify their position to the MC about how he doesn't understand since hes a kid, they will just have a moment of clarity and see the mistakes they made and be all kumbaya.

 

[shinshom]

Ill be honest, I dont think that validates this at all. Hes just gonna reopen old wounds and yell at them? He could very much heal this wounds in a much healthier way by being selfish and actually making his relationship official and getting all that love and adoration he so craves from her, her friends, and her family. And it will send the same message to his family when they see he rather be elsewhere.

Its exactly what I did with my ex. When I saw what a proper functional family looked like, and how welcoming they were to me. I just spent more time around them.

Sure you can say MC is a kid and is doing the immature kid thing rather than be something more mature and adult like. But im more frustrated with is to me the Author is pushing this as a big W for the MC. When in reality all I feel it would do is make everyone more upset all around, and just make the bitterness and resentment worse. But seeing as how this is anime, the parents will probably instead of becoming overcome with emotions and just blaming each other or try and justify their position to the MC about how he doesn't understand since hes a kid, they will just have a moment of clarity and see the mistakes they made and be all kumbaya.

yeah but your ex is your relation ship..

He is a child from a broken marriage, and he never had a choice or saying on this. SUre might not be the best solution, but there is none, and for the first time he telling his feelings is a step forward from him to detach from this past that is holding back is heart.

From what u saw in his flashbacks, he always heldback for his parents, which is commendable, but now what a CHild is supposed to do...

 

[RitoTheLittle]

The bittersweet "revenge" plan of Maki, understanding that it can never be fixed but only wanting to just make a last memory of his family together

 

[Haze123553]

Actually he is focussing on work but their relationship is mostly fine.... its mostly the girlfriend that is noticing that the dad rly misses the kid.

And this argument of "he would chose work over his son" is utterly ridiculous. his family only could afford the life they had because of him.

His mom could work and take care of stuff, but because Maki started to help a shit ton in the house. its not so black and white, as how you try to portray.

Mhmmm he did choose work over his kids tho hence the arguments leading to the divorce in the first place as shown in the last chapters.

Also Japanese society doesn't really accommodate for women working after marriage, it's looked down upon usually.

For all the faults of the mom she did try harder to fight for the relationship, even admitting she still loves the dad post divorce, hes the one that quit on that. The dad on the other hand got with a woman that confessed to him merely a month after divorcing, even if he wasn't outright cheating during the marriage he was at least emotionally cut from his wife because people that aren't don't just suddenly get with someone else a month later and doing so with someone he was in high frequent contact with, pretty much emotionally cheating prior to the divorce.

It's not black and white but he deffo a deadbeat giving financial aid alone doesn't stop you from being a dead beat he abandoned his family simple as that.

 

[shinshom]

Mhmmm he did choose work over his kids tho hence the arguments leading to the divorce in the first place as shown in the last chapters.

Also Japanese society doesn't really accommodate for women working after marriage, it's looked down upon usually.

For all the faults of the mom she did try harder to fight for the relationship, even admitting she still loves the dad post divorce, hes the one that quit on that.

It's not black and white but he deffo a deadbeat giving financial aid alone doesn't stop you from being a dead beat he abandoned his family simple as that.

Sure you want to oversimplify the situation, its fine, bit thats not how things are.

thats not how it works... shared custody is not so simple in japan, and their paperwork of divorce is not even done, which makes things even more problematic for Maki.... he is still on yhe stage of "choosing parents"

and woman working as a second income in the house is quite normalized at this point in the last decade at the very least. Before COVID was necessary, but post only forced everyones hand....

 

[Haze123553]

Sure you want to oversimplify the situation, its fine, bit thats not how things are.

thats not how it works... shared custody is not so simple in japan, and their paperwork of divorce is not even done, which makes things even more problematic for Maki.... he is still on yhe stage of "choosing parents"

and woman working as a second income in the house is quite normalized at this point in the last decade at the very least. Before COVID was necessary, but post only forced everyones hand....

Chapter 28.2 pretty much confirms he was the one that withdrew from his family for work, your telling me earlier he was able to come back from work normal times but for some reason he can't everyday afterwards?

Also trying to act like everything needs to be complicated doesn't solve anything sure say everything is complicated it's no one's fault etc etc but then at what point do you take responsibility. End of the day his dad initiated everything and did not try once to solve it, doesn't really matter if you think that's too simple it's the truth which can't be denied when you take everything else away.

Now who's better for Maki then? The mother proving she's trying her hardest, taking time of work because she knows the effect it's having on Maki or the father that couldn't even take of time from work when he knew it was being apart his family in the first place?

 

[shinshom]

Chapter 28.2 pretty much confirms he was the one that withdrew from his family for work, your telling me earlier he was able to come back from work normal times but for some reason he can't everyday afterwards?

in Japan, Man by default get a better paycheck, but by default as well they are required to work way more. It's expected for man to stay longer, if the boss didnt leave, its expected for them to wait till the boss leaves and its not as simple as "you can leave whenever you want".... If you inform yourself about the toxic culture of the working enviroment in Japan, you would know that overworking sometimes is not an option. Changing jobs is not as simple as "oh I will change jobs because I want to" as well...

Also trying to act like everything needs to be complicated doesn't solve anything sure say everything is complicated it's no one's fault etc etc but then at what point do you take responsibility. End of the day his dad initiated everything and did not try once to solve it, doesn't really matter if you think that's too simple it's the truth which can't be denied when you take everything else away.

The part of "you are oversimplifying" its because a lot of those situations are out of their control.

But here is probably the most reasonable thing you said that yes, the biggest problem was that the Dad didnt communicate properly, he was suffering on his own overworking to provide, but this is the reality of most men lol.

Now who's better for Maki then? The mother proving she's trying her hardest, taking time of work because she knows the effect it's having on Maki or the father that couldn't even take of time from work when he knew it was being apart his family in the first place?

ok now I just invite you to go back to chapter 27.2 because sounds like you are forgeting that the dad was providing enough money for the mom so she didnt even need to work, she could just take care of him..... Even separated he is overworking himself to provide them with a better life, and even the mom says she is just not using over stubborness...

NOw who would be better for him is debatable, there are many factors, but the point is that you are being bias, forgetting all the dad is making, that even the mom recognizes lol...

This premisse of "mom cares more because she stays home and dad's keep only working" feels like someone that doesnt know the real world. Especially in Japan, with their toxic culture... try asking one, just one japanese "salaryman" worker, how much are his options... how much freedom they have...

 

[BobBob]

It's like the saying goes: When one drama ends, another begins. Probably.

 

[shinshom]

It's like the saying goes: When one drama ends, another begins. Probably.

Well at least when one drama ends, they progress a lot as person and.... maybe something more, and then yeah maybe another drama begins lol

 

[razorshaleh]

aaaaa cute confesion in here waiting for them to get married soon & make soccer team.
Abe will be proud

 

[Haze123553]

in Japan, Man by default get a better paycheck, but by default as well they are required to work way more. It's expected for man to stay longer, if the boss didnt leave, its expected for them to wait till the boss leaves and its not as simple as "you can leave whenever you want".... If you inform yourself about the toxic culture of the working enviroment in Japan, you would know that overworking sometimes is not an option. Changing jobs is not as simple as "oh I will change jobs because I want to" as well...




The part of "you are oversimplifying" its because a lot of those situations are out of their control.

But here is probably the most reasonable thing you said that yes, the biggest problem was that the Dad didnt communicate properly, he was suffering on his own overworking to provide, but this is the reality of most men lol.




ok now I just invite you to go back to chapter 27.2 because sounds like you are forgeting that the dad was providing enough money for the mom so she didnt even need to work, she could just take care of him..... Even separated he is overworking himself to provide them with a better life, and even the mom says she is just not using over stubborness...

NOw who would be better for him is debatable, there are many factors, but the point is that you are being bias, forgetting all the dad is making, that even the mom recognizes lol...

This premisse of "mom cares more because she stays home and dad's keep only working" feels like someone that doesnt know the real world. Especially in Japan, with their toxic culture... try asking one, just one japanese "salaryman" worker, how much are his options... how much freedom they have...

If the mum was able to provide for him not over working on single income for the most part doesn't that prove the dad could have done it but chooses not too. You yourself admit men get paid better, so he's getting paid more than her and she did use his money but she still managed to provide enough for her and him. The dad overworking is entirely his own fault.

 

[shinshom]

If the mum was able to provide for him not over working on single income for the most part doesn't that prove the dad could have done it but chooses not too. You yourself admit men get paid better, so he's getting paid more than her and she did use his money but she still managed to provide enough for her and him. The dad overworking is entirely his own fault.

Woman are required less and Maki had to help a lot in the house for this to happen....

And you say "working" but She is coping with Tabacco and even the mom is feeling like they are not that connected.

When they were a family of 3, Maki didnt need to do anything in the house.... thats the kind of life the father was able to do, and the kind of life he can do even now. He is overworking to guarantee that they can have a good life, but the mom is being stubborn and even Maki feels like he needs to help otherwise things don't run that well.... you are ignoring many problems in the house because in the west is seen as normal single parent household, and ignore the things that the conforts the father gave before.

EDIT: Heck, you ignored completly the aspect of the Toxic Working CUlture xDDDD... yeah sure... "its his falt, its on him" right... It's his fault that he is required to work more, right.

 

[Haze123553]

Woman are required less and Maki had to help a lot in the house for this to happen....

And you say "working" but She is coping with Tabacco and even the mom is feeling like they are not that connected.

When they were a family of 3, Maki didnt need to do anything in the house.... thats the kind of life the father was able to do, and the kind of life he can do even now. He is overworking to guarantee that they can have a good life, but the mom is being stubborn and even Maki feels like he needs to help otherwise things don't run that well.... you are ignoring many problems in the house because in the west is seen as normal single parent household, and ignore the things that the conforts the father gave before.

EDIT: Heck, you ignored completly the aspect of the Toxic Working CUlture xDDDD... yeah sure... "its his falt, its on him" right... It's his fault that he is required to work more, right.

Maki helping clean the house is irrelevant, the reason the mom can't is because simply she's not home to do it, if she was working like your saying she should have been maki would be helping either way.

Ofc the mum and maki ain't connecting she's working a full time job whilst just having hot divorced. It's like your entirely missing my point here that the dad didn't actually need to overwork, he chose to,

I'm not ignoring the toxic work culture but you're the one acting like that's always been the case in the house. It wasn't, it suddenly became so because again as I have stated he CHOSE to put that toxic work culture over his family instead of doing anything else.

For so much talk of you saying hes a man the dad is doing everything but manning up.

It's funnier still you think I'm western and that I'm from somewhere single parent households are the norm.

 

[shinshom]

Maki helping clean the house is irrelevant, the reason the mom can't is because simply she's not home to do it, if she was working like your saying she should have been maki would be helping either way.

Ofc the mum and maki ain't connecting she's working a full time job whilst just having hot divorced. It's like your entirely missing my point here that the dad didn't actually need to overwork, he chose to,

I'm not ignoring the toxic work culture but you're the one acting like that's always been the case in the house. It wasn't, it suddenly became so because again as I have stated he CHOSE to put that toxic work culture over his family instead of doing anything else.

For so much talk of you saying hes a man the dad is doing everything but manning up.

It's funnier still you think I'm western and that I'm from somewhere single parent households are the norm.

Yeah you rly dont understand if you think he CHOSE the work....

Work probably was mostly the same, but over the years started to accumulate the stress that before was tolerable. Thats the usual story

Tell me how it is a choice.
If he doesnt work ad the company demands, he will be shunned, fired and branded as a bad worker and who knows what kind of company will even hire someone like this.

Well doesnt rly matter where you are from, but your understanding of "choice" over work culture in Japan shows at the very least total lack of understanding towards that.

If choices towards work for a man were so easy, stress over it or level of suicide in asia wouldnt be as high....

And you try to portray that Maki and his mom are doing "just fine" now when Maki is doing mostly all the house work.... Tell me how this is irrelevant because the father was trying to prevent exactly that...


WELL ANYWAY, I guess the botton line is

I guess the bottom line is that you refuse to understand the pressure and consequences of the toxic working culture from Japan, so you will keep pushing that it was just an "option" that the dad had... just his choices...

And you think Maki and his mom are living just as fine with her wage as well...

So, I guess we will never have an understanding, so I guess there's that. Well, you are free to have any opinion you want, sure, lol.

 

[chusetto]

My bro is so poorly drawn in two strips it's funny xD

 

[IFluffyBunny]

"Just a few days ago you were crying on my tits. Now you dare to act like a show off in front of me."
I like this line better from Umi on WN