Mangadex gets hit by DMCA - more than 25% of chapters gone | staff FAQ update

[Nick86]

Yuuuup, I understand disliking the genre, honestly, it's perfectly understandable and I can't argue on that, but avoiding it isn't enough, they want it gone out of principle.

They remind me of people who wants gay content removed because of the children, or that violent videogames are bad, all they have is appeal to emotion, no actual arguments or facts

Yep, they ask the ban for principle, because they think that no one should read them, lol. After 30 years i'm into anime and manga and read every kind of genre i never read once that someone from fiction emulate it into reality.
Emulation is the most used excuse the detractors use for banning content they do not like, but they never provide evicence and data of these claims, simply because such data is not existent since is a trivial thing, a non issue, a personal grudge against art and nothing else.

 

[T-sama]

Yep, they ask the ban for principle, because they think that no one should read them, lol. After 30 years i'm into anime and manga and read every kind of genre i never read once that someone from fiction emulate it into reality.

This reminds me how once in a while a small vtueber shoots themselves in the foot by saying all anime fans are pedo lol

Or how once a adult webcam woman whined about anime fans being pedo while cosplaying as a underage character lol

It's honestly baffling how some western people throw a fit over certain things that are basically common and completely ignored in Japan, loli and shota are perfect example, there's a big market there and nobody loses their minds over it lol

Kind interesting how early 90 and 2000 we had parents being hysterical and acting like moral guardians, especially if religious, now decades later twitter and reddit created a generation of secular moral guardians pretty much asking for censorship lol

I guess the world really never change, it just turns around

Emulation is the most used excuse the detractors use for banning content they do not like, but they never provide evicence and data of these claims, simply because such data is not existent since is a trivial thing, a non issue, a personal grudge against art and nothing else.

There's never evidence, I'm still waiting for the studies that show violent videogames makes people violent lol, it's always about banning what they dislike

 

[lsbkf]

Oh god, just can't argue with the horny. I've seen shutdowns due to this, I don't care about your fantasy about me disliking lolis.

 

[T-sama]

Oh god, just can't argue with the horny. I've seen shutdowns due to this, I don't care about your fantasy about me disliking lolis.

Ah yes, you've seen it before, surely mangadex is shutting down because of loli and shota!

Like, why else would it be shutting down for? Definitely not because of the thousands of pirated series, nope, not at all.

Also, "can't argue with the horny", thanks for outing yourself as from what angle you're  really coming from, fact that you accuse me of defending it for being horny shows it is because you dislike the genre.

I'm defending it because I'm against censorship of any kind, the only fantasy here is you thinking loli and shota are relevant at all for this situation, you're literally delusional if you think the hentai was needed to make mangadex high profile enough to cause a dmca.

 

[Nick86]

Oh god, just can't argue with the horny. I've seen shutdowns due to this, I don't care about your fantasy about me disliking lolis.

The DMCA was never about 18+ stuff, moreover this stuff is hidden by default unless you make an account and enable it on purpose. You have to force it otherwise you do not need an account at all to read regular manga.
They target MD for regular and popular titles, these publishers aren't very smart because they pratically target a website that give them popularity outside Japan thank to the scanlator works.

But whatever, is their completely loss, change nothing to me and even if they shut down MD i read whatever i want elsewhere. People who read translations will never buy anyway the original, make no sense to buy something you can't understand, even if the scans are not available.

 

[Wizardrone]

when would this end?

 

[T-sama]

when would this end?

Define "this"

 

[Wizardrone]

Define "this"

When the DMCA process will end, to see if all the list or some of it will be accepted into the claim!

 

[T-sama]

When the DMCA process will end, to see if all the list or some of it will be accepted into the claim!

Hard to say, I could see mods taking a few days to take down everything, it is a lot of stuff after all, the mods might not even say anything too, after all what they can even say? So I won't be surprised if they continue quiet for a while.

All we can do is wait as we watch mangadex bleed to death

 

[Angry_Panda]

When the DMCA process will end, to see if all the list or some of it will be accepted into the claim!

DMCA process:
1. Copyright holder sends DMCA takedown request.
2. MD complies, and notifies the groups that uploaded the offending material.
3. If the groups believe the takedown was in error, they have a counter-claim process they can go through that alerts both MD and the copyright holder of this.

Let's face it - there is zero chance that groups are going to try and counter-claim on these notices (making a false counter-claim lands your ass in very hot water), so once MD takes the material down and notifies the group, the process is effectively over. MD will probably mark the affected titles as not being eligible for upload due to the DMCA, and may release a list at some point, but practically the process is pretty quick.

 

[hahanaho]

when would this end?

When the DMCA process will end, to see if all the list or some of it will be accepted into the claim!

Probably never. It's the new normal. The service provided by these third-party copyright/brand protection companies are really attractive in this economy.

Torrent what you can now. There are enough manga/anime/tv shows/movies/video games/books/novels/etc. to last several lifetimes.

I guarantee the end goal is for them to scan everyone's computer for any copyright infringement. Hopefully I will be dead by then.

 

[bondejeger]

when would this end?

 

[volodyuka]

I guarantee the end goal is for them to scan everyone's computer for any copyright infringement. Hopefully I will be dead by then.

well this is unlikely, until all sold devices would become like new nintendo switch, where you own nothing and cannot modify anything -_-

(and yeah, windows and mac move towards you do not own your system and has no right for privacy) (thankfully there is still linux)

 

[Variousletters]

Let's face it - there is zero chance that groups are going to try and counter-claim on these notices (making a false counter-claim lands your ass in very hot water), so once MD takes the material down and notifies the group, the process is effectively over. MD will probably mark the affected titles as not being eligible for upload due to the DMCA, and may release a list at some point, but practically the process is pretty quick.

Even entirely legitimate counterclaims can land you in expensive legal hells. Going to court is very expensive if you don't already have your own legal department. Proving you're innocent when a mass accusation of everything in sight was all it took for everything in sight to be found guilty, is no easy feat.

 

[Variousletters]

Yep, they ask the ban for principle, because they think that no one should read them, lol.

Correction: They think no one should read them but themselves. A double-standard is invariably at the core of such beliefs.
Banning something for everyone else is the only way to transform the guilt or embarrassment one feels for doing a thing, into a feeling of privilege - and the more cruel the punishment the more superior being above it all will feel.

 

[Tony_Mushah]

Formulating the evil business plan.

1. License works that have been scanlated.
2. Issue DMCAs to have those scanlations removed.
3. Prepare 'official releases' by re-typesetting the translations from the scanlations.
4. Release.
5. Profit.

Groups can't really complain about this, since their distribution of the scanlations is a violation of copyright, hence attempting to challenge the use of their translations is an admission of that violation and would open them up to civil action.

...who's in?

Not gonna lie, this is what I thought they're doing when the publisher did this current move.

 

[bondejeger]

Not gonna lie, this is what I thought they're doing when the publisher did this current move.

Like I’ve written earlier, it’s probably to prepare for mass official releases by AI/MTL assisted companies like Orange and Emaqi. They did the exact same thing when shueisha released manga plus, they went in hard against batoto right before manga plus was released. History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes.

 

[xaraphina]

Oh… no… all those completed, axed, abandoned, been on hiatus for years and shit so generic I don’t even know why I was following it series got dmca’d. If anything this was a blessing that helped prune bloat from mangadex and my disgustingly sad list of hot garbage that was in serious need of gutting.

 

[Mathias]

Seriously...this is a bloodbath.
Among those there were those series I genuinely liked.
And the chances of them coming back are as big as a Water Bear (AKA: miniscule).
And where I come from I don't have that many series.

Damn. I can understand if it was them striking only on licensed series in the US and so on, but they hit also those that didn't left Japan.
And people who even don't have the specific manga series in their countries also get hurt by this. Not to mention that if people won't like the official releases, they can go to scanlations for better/more faithful translations.
Same this was with Gogoanime. With the site's shutdown many series and OVAs that are lost media at this point are now completely gone. Just how many one-shots got DMCA'd?

A dark day for this site with over 1.5K series and one-shots being wiped out...

 

[bondejeger]

Seriously...this is a bloodbath.
Among those there were those series I genuinely liked.
And the chances of them coming back are as big as a Water Bear (AKA: miniscule).
And where I come from I don't have that many series.

Damn. I can understand if it was them striking only on licensed series in the US and so on, but they hit also those that didn't left Japan.
And people who even don't have the specific manga series in their countries also get hurt by this. Not to mention that if people won't like the official releases, they can go to scanlations for better/more faithful translations.
Same this was with Gogoanime. With the site's shutdown many series and OVAs that are lost media at this point are now completely gone. Just how many one-shots got DMCA'd?

A dark day for this site with over 1.5K series and one-shots being wiped out...

My suspiscion is that a lot of the unlicensed ones have been licensed by emaqi and will have official releases soon. Cheap licenses with AI/MTL assisted releases most likely.
Also remember that a lot of manga are also licensed in France and other countries than in English, and most Frenchs can read English.