Watashi no Kokoro wa Oji-san de Aru - Ch. 19

[Fushiginiku]

I understand why the churches are always evil in manga I just wish that occasionally there would be one that broke the mold and had a good church for once.

All of the following have positively portrayed Christian-like religions. Some have them on both sides (in the vein of, every part of humanity including religion has both good guys and bad guys).

Haibane Remnei - Very Christian-adjacent messaging, to the point that I suspect the writer is in fact a Christian.
Chrono Crusade
A Certain Magical Index and related series
Type/Moon universe (the Fate series and related titles.)

Also, very marginal, but both Hellsing and Trigun have elements in them that are arguably on the "religion can be good" side.

Some Ro-Fan / Otome Isekai titles have religion as good guys, although (as is often the case in manga) they can be non-monotheist faiths dressed up like Christian clergy. A great example of this is by the author of "Apothecary Diaries", called "
Seijo ni Uso wa Tsuujinai (You Can't Lie to the Saintess" (actually, in that specific case it isn't clear what exactly is the religion, but from the theme of having women in a competition to be selected as 'saintesses', it's clearly not like an Abrahamic religion.)

 

[Zhangar]

Am I following this right?

Either the church is right and the dark elves are just the prettiest monster race, or the church is a bunch of assholes and they're lumping the dark elves in with the monster races over skin color?

The church classifying dark elves as a monster race would certainly explain the hostility; in that case I'm surprised our MC is even allowed into town.

 

[BoredTears]

Am I following this right?

Either the church is right and the dark elves are just the prettiest monster race, or the church is a bunch of assholes and they're lumping the dark elves in with the monster races over skin color?

The church classifying dark elves as a monster race would certainly explain the hostility; in that case I'm surprised our MC is even allowed into town.

From the sounds of it there are two levels of distinction here. Each goddess created a race that looks like themself, elves and dark elves. Then they also created the other races. The dark elves were created by the same goddess as who created the destroyer races, but they aren't stated to have been created as a destroyer race.

It sounds like dark elves would often be grouped with the destroyers, but they technically aren't, having been created from a different intent. Though they are the creations of Zest, their position is unique. Sounds kind of like a theological pain in the ass. Particularly because I doubt the humans would want to acknowledge the elves as being more, holy, than themselves.

 

[Raptorofwar]

With how much Marina's blushing over Haruka, I wonder if her letters to her fiance would have a few words about dark elves of her own.

 

[n3na3]

Haruka is the best waifu, even if he's an oji-san

would you say the same if he was in his original Structure

 

[Kanade0021]

Thanks for the translation!

 

[Dust_pile]

Thanks for the translation!

I interpreted from this chapter that the children attacked Haruka, because the Church taught them that the destroyer races are irredeemably evil and they then heard from Marina that the Dark Elves were created by the same goddess that created all the "evil" races. Marina didn't teach them that the destroyer races are evil and the church didn't teach them that Dark Elves are a destroyer race. That Dark Elves are an evil destroyer race is a conclusion that the kids got on their own.

Now they might not have made that conclusion, if they had been taught by Marina that in the past the destroyers and creators(?) got along, but she likely didn't teach that because it would go too far against church doctrine.

I personally think that there are at least three categories of races in that world:

• Destroyers, who believe value comes from something not lasting
• Creators(?), who believe value comes from something lasting
• and lastly divine races, who were created in the image of the goddesses. But maybe they are also just seen as part of the other two categories.

 

[GreenDude1]

All of the following have positively portrayed Christian-like religions. Some have them on both sides (in the vein of, every part of humanity including religion has both good guys and bad guys).

Haibane Remnei - Very Christian-adjacent messaging, to the point that I suspect the writer is in fact a Christian.
Chrono Crusade
A Certain Magical Index and related series
Type/Moon universe (the Fate series and related titles.)

Also, very marginal, but both Hellsing and Trigun have elements in them that are arguably on the "religion can be good" side.

Some Ro-Fan / Otome Isekai titles have religion as good guys, although (as is often the case in manga) they can be non-monotheist faiths dressed up like Christian clergy. A great example of this is by the author of "Apothecary Diaries", called "
Seijo ni Uso wa Tsuujinai (You Can't Lie to the Saintess" (actually, in that specific case it isn't clear what exactly is the religion, but from the theme of having women in a competition to be selected as 'saintesses', it's clearly not like an Abrahamic religion.)

I don't really care about Christianity it's just that it's a Trope that's so overused that I have kind of gotten annoyed with it.

 

[Lunkli]

I like how there's different versions of the creation myth. Such a breath of fresh air after however many stories where everyone just knows exactly how the world came to be somehow. I assume they'll be following these two interpretations for most of the story, but it'd be neat if we got to see a couple more.

 

[superdubes]

I understand why the churches are always evil in manga I just wish that occasionally there would be one that broke the mold and had a good church for once.

Technically I guess you could say that the church isn't evil in Otherworld Pharmacy. Though the MC has an initial negative experience with them.

That said, for this series up to the current translated WN chapter

The church isn't really shown as good or evil that I can remember. There are some shitty nobles which is par for the course though.

 

[gr2222]

I don't really care about Christianity it's just that it's a Trope that's so overused that I have kind of gotten annoyed with it.

well, it's not really a trope. You see, they are based on real religions, and just like irl, there are people that always seek to have power so they can misuse it. and do you know what holds a lot of power in medieval Europe? churches. there are plenty of examples from real world history. after all in a lot of places religion worked as basically a second government (or was the government) it is not more of a trope then just real life church was to begin with. in reality this manga and its novel do very well on that front, and they have good world building. Also the church is neither portrayed as evil or good.

Do you know what is a trope? the person complaining to forums about non existent problems. (sorry, it's just a joke... mostly...)

Also, it might be only me but, churches in most manga I read are actually good, so i don't understand why you think that churches being evil is overused? it's more like you don't remember them because they are usually something in the background, or they are just mentioned once or twice. edit: or at least in isekai manga, since most manga i read are isekai. about 700 of them in fact.

 

[Seinvolf]

Thank u always for ur great work...
^^...

 

[meriyizhechiri]

This cody guy is suspicious

 

[LoliNecromancer]

Called it can’t make the "destroyers" pure evil there are too many hot monster girls on that side left unmarried otherwise

~monster mama researcher

 

[LoliNecromancer]

And once again here I am after finding a series I like only to be blue balled at 19 chapters now to wait a year only for it to get removed by dmca or some shit fuck capitalism.

Why do I do this to myself

This damn series was enjoyable enough to not have to rely on the harem tag not that I wouldn’t love mc getting herself a harem of sexy ladies of many races and proportions.

~Mama Cultist that wants more

 

[User_Name]

I understand why the churches are always evil in manga I just wish that occasionally there would be one that broke the mold and had a good church for once.

Because they are always evil IRL, too. Duh.

(No, I'm not sarcastic here, most wars were fought in the name of religion. Some of the worst atrocities were done in the name of religion. Yes, even Hitler's stuff. But even if we exclude him, there's plenty left. Some even in the bible. Not that sky daddy is any better in there. Religion held humanity back from progress for over 1500 years. See what technological progress we made in the last 20 years? Now imagine 1500 more. And even that's not enough for them, they happily want to drag us back into a second dark age. No, thank you.)

 

[User_Name]

Man. That really is a slow burn. I want to complain about the update speed (there aren't enough chapters), but it looks I can't (the speed is average).

 

[GreenDude1]

Because they are always evil IRL, too. Duh.

(No, I'm not sarcastic here, most wars were fought in the name of religion. Some of the worst atrocities were done in the name of religion. Yes, even Hitler's stuff. But even if we exclude him, there's plenty left. Some even in the bible. Not that sky daddy is any better in there. Religion held humanity back from progress for over 1500 years. See what technological progress we made in the last 20 years? Now imagine 1500 more. And even that's not enough for them, they happily want to drag us back into a second dark age. No, thank you.)

That's why I said that I understood the Trope but it's still a fantasy world so why can't we have a good church every once in awhile.

 

[Dust_pile]

Because they are always evil IRL, too. Duh.

(No, I'm not sarcastic here, most wars were fought in the name of religion. Some of the worst atrocities were done in the name of religion. Yes, even Hitler's stuff. But even if we exclude him, there's plenty left. Some even in the bible. Not that sky daddy is any better in there. Religion held humanity back from progress for over 1500 years. See what technological progress we made in the last 20 years? Now imagine 1500 more. And even that's not enough for them, they happily want to drag us back into a second dark age. No, thank you.)

Actually for a long time the churches were a driving force of scientific advancement. It started to change when people started making discoveries that put humans in a place of less importance, and as such putting in question if God really made the world to be governed by humans.

 

[erintesden]

....ok the lack of chastising to the irresponsible teacher is kind of annoying...
Due to her personal grudge (that I am more than certain "leaked" in some way during classes) against dark elves, and her very lousy storytelling, her students fired LEATHAL magic against a stranger.
This situation could have easily ended up with some hapless dark elf maimed or murdered, all because of her...
This requires MUCH more than an apology.

she is too harmless and frankly a bit pathetic (I mean her BF is possibly cheating on her or so obsessed with elves the jealousy is understandable) that i cant hate her.
At the same time is dubious to leave someone like that to influence the minds of impresionable children