The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy at All

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i explained it a million times to that empty-headed socks guy above.
it's not just her clothes or her hair, her face and her eyes also changed in the art style to be more masculine.
to me, that's betraying the character period.

i read manga with a yuri tag first and foremost, and i don't want to see a female character become a guy.
it's clear that the artist of this manga enjoys western values, and the results of the story confirm this.
if you enjoy that, good for you, i certainly don't.
Alright bro. If you explained it a million times, wouldn't i have got it by now? The only reason as to why i'm not getting you is that your point makes zero sense. You talk about how her being masculine "betraying her character" as if her character isn't masculine and hasn't always been? You talk about koga as if you know her character when it's so clear you don't. She didn't "become a guy," i've said this a million times before, she's just dressing how she wants to. And yeah dude, no shit that the artist changed their artstyle. No artstyle is completely consistent; this manga has been running since 2022. Take it from someone who's been masc her whole life, she didn't become a guy. You don't think girls can't act or look masculine? You do understand there are women in the world that are masculine... And still women?? You're acting like there's a binary for how a girl should act, dress, or look. Great job dude, you missed the point of the manga. There are butch and masc women out there, and not every woman is femme and dating one. And that goes for every piece of wlw media too. Women. Can. Be. Androgynous. From the starting chapters, koga has always ALWAYS been portrayed as androgynous. Her character sheet says "she's pretty androgynous." That is the whole reason why oosawa even thought she was a guy in the first place. C'mon man.
 
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i explained it a million times to that empty-headed socks guy above.
it's not just her clothes or her hair, her face and her eyes also changed in the art style to be more masculine.
to me, that's betraying the character period.

i read manga with a yuri tag first and foremost, and i don't want to see a female character become a guy.
it's clear that the artist of this manga enjoys western values, and the results of the story confirm this.
if you enjoy that, good for you, i certainly don't.
I has to re-upload comment this but whatever — Alright man. If you explained it a million times, wouldn't i have got it by now? The only reason as to why i'm not getting you is that your point makes zero sense. You talk about how her being masculine "betraying her character" as if her character isn't masculine and hasn't always been? You talk about koga as if you know her character when it's so clear you don't. She didn't "become a guy," i've said this a million times before, she's just dressing how she wants to. And yeah dude, no shit that the artist changed their artstyle. No artstyle is completely consistent; this manga has been running since 2022. Take it from someone who's been masc her whole life, she didn't become a guy. You don't think girls can't act or look masculine? You do understand there are women in the world that are masculine... And still women?? You're acting like there's a binary for how a girl should act, dress, or look. Great job dude, you missed the point of the manga. There are butch and masc women out there, and not every woman is femme and dating one. And that goes for every piece of wlw media too. Women. Can. Be. Androgynous. From the starting chapters, koga has always ALWAYS been portrayed as androgynous. Her character sheet says "she's pretty androgynous." That is the whole reason why oosawa even thought she was a guy in the first place. C'mon man.
 
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Alright bro. If you explained it a million times, wouldn't i have got it by now? The only reason as to why i'm not getting you is that your point makes zero sense. You talk about how her being masculine "betraying her character" as if her character isn't masculine and hasn't always been? You talk about koga as if you know her character when it's so clear you don't. She didn't "become a guy," i've said this a million times before, she's just dressing how she wants to. And yeah dude, no shit that the artist changed their artstyle. No artstyle is completely consistent; this manga has been running since 2022. Take it from someone who's been masc her whole life, she didn't become a guy. You don't think girls can't act or look masculine? You do understand there are women in the world that are masculine... And still women?? You're acting like there's a binary for how a girl should act, dress, or look. Great job dude, you missed the point of the manga. There are butch and masc women out there, and not every woman is femme and dating one. And that goes for every piece of wlw media too. Women. Can. Be. Androgynous. From the starting chapters, koga has always ALWAYS been portrayed as androgynous. Her character sheet says "she's pretty androgynous." That is the whole reason why oosawa even thought she was a guy in the first place. C'mon man.

that's why i specified the americanization of this.
the characters are japanese, not american.
it takes place in japan afaik, not america.
in japan, you'll be freaking hard pressed to find one of those man-like looking women, i even pointed out how americanized this manga is in the first place, which adds to sour the soup even further.
i also said that this is how i evaluate a yuri, i rated it based on my experience so far with yuri manga and manga in general, and i absolutely didn't like it.
you can love this, alot of people infact love this, so why are you taking such a huge issue in me not liking this?
my points stand, you even confirmed the art style changed, and no, this manga might have been going on for a while but count the pages in total; it's not a whole lot, this is extremely short still.
there are plenty other manga that stick to their art direction and style, while also lasting for much longer than this.

like i said, feel free to love this, i never will.
 
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that's why i specified the americanization of this.
the characters are japanese, not american.
it takes place in japan afaik, not america.
in japan, you'll be freaking hard pressed to find one of those man-like looking women, i even pointed out how americanized this manga is in the first place, which adds to sour the soup even further.
i also said that this is how i evaluate a yuri, i rated it based on my experience so far with yuri manga and manga in general, and i absolutely didn't like it.
you can love this, alot of people infact love this, so why are you taking such a huge issue in me not liking this?
my points stand, you even confirmed the art style changed, and no, this manga might have been going on for a while but count the pages in total; it's not a whole lot, this is extremely short still.
there are plenty other manga that stick to their art direction and style, while also lasting for much longer than this.

like i said, feel free to love this, i never will.
My guy, i don't even know if you read my reply or not. If you liked the manga or not the focus of my reply. Infact, i didn't talk about you not liking it, at all. All i was saying was that yes, women CAN be masculine and that the acceptance of it was the point of the manga. And your point about it being 'americanized' is just sad to me.

I live in the philippines. I'm filipino. I'm also masc. The philippines is not a country where you would find any masc women. I'm not westernized, or white-washed. I am fully filipino. All of those things can be true all at the same time. You implying that being a masculine woman is an inherently 'american' trait which is just, plain wrong, is just insane to me. I didn't feel masculine and feel like i didn't want to wear dresses because of america, i felt like it because that's how i wanted to dress and express myself. This genuinely has nothing to do with america. Koga and oosawa DON'T like japanese music because it's not their style. Name a grunge rock band from japan. You can't because people over there don't make that style of rock. I don't like traditional filipino pop music because i don't like it. It's not cause i'm westernized, it's not cause i'm whitewashed, it is simply just because i don't like the style of pop in this country and would rather listen to saosin and kendrick lamar. People here don't make post-hardcore. People here don't make the genre of rap that i like. People don't make the style of music i like, that's why i don't listen to the music from my people. I don't "praise the west" because i enjoy a style of music that the west made. I just enjoy the music the west made because it sounds good in my ears.

Also your point about the artstyle, the reason why other mangas have more consistent artstyles is because they have teams to draw them ON MODEL. Mangas and animation usually have character models they have to go by and i'm pretty sure the artist/writer of this manga doesn't have either of those. Take steven universe for example, you'll find that in different episodes the animation style looks different sometimes. That's because they didn't have models for the characters and let the animators have creative freedom and draw them how they want while still keeping the somewhat same artstyle. And plus, those mangas are professionally made. And pushed out. This is not. This used to be just a manga series on twitter, mind you. They didn't publish it or have any advertising. It was an indie manga.

If you actually read all of this, i thank you. I'm not trying to disrespect you or start an argument, it's just weird to me that you think they changed their artstyle to purposfully make koga 'look like a guy' and that they praise the west and that women can't be masculine and that it's inherently an american trait, thank you. Good afternoon, good evening, and good night.
 
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My guy, i don't even know if you read my reply or not. If you liked the manga or not the focus of my reply. Infact, i didn't talk about you not liking it, at all. All i was saying was that yes, women CAN be masculine and that the acceptance of it was the point of the manga. And your point about it being 'americanized' is just sad to me.

I live in the philippines. I'm filipino. I'm also masc. The philippines is not a country where you would find any masc women. I'm not westernized, or white-washed. I am fully filipino. All of those things can be true all at the same time. You implying that being a masculine woman is an inherently 'american' trait which is just, plain wrong, is just insane to me. I didn't feel masculine and feel like i didn't want to wear dresses because of america, i felt like it because that's how i wanted to dress and express myself. This genuinely has nothing to do with america. Koga and oosawa DON'T like japanese music because it's not their style. Name a grunge rock band from japan. You can't because people over there don't make that style of rock. I don't like traditional filipino pop music because i don't like it. It's not cause i'm westernized, it's not cause i'm whitewashed, it is simply just because i don't like the style of pop in this country and would rather listen to saosin and kendrick lamar. People here don't make post-hardcore. People here don't make the genre of rap that i like. People don't make the style of music i like, that's why i don't listen to the music from my people. I don't "praise the west" because i enjoy a style of music that the west made. I just enjoy the music the west made because it sounds good in my ears.

Also your point about the artstyle, the reason why other mangas have more consistent artstyles is because they have teams to draw them ON MODEL. Mangas and animation usually have character models they have to go by and i'm pretty sure the artist/writer of this manga doesn't have either of those. Take steven universe for example, you'll find that in different episodes the animation style looks different sometimes. That's because they didn't have models for the characters and let the animators have creative freedom and draw them how they want while still keeping the somewhat same artstyle. And plus, those mangas are professionally made. And pushed out. This is not. This used to be just a manga series on twitter, mind you. They didn't publish it or have any advertising. It was an indie manga.

If you actually read all of this, i thank you. I'm not trying to disrespect you or start an argument, it's just weird to me that you think they changed their artstyle to purposfully make koga 'look like a guy' and that they praise the west and that women can't be masculine and that it's inherently an american trait, thank you. Good afternoon, good evening, and good night.
i'm surprised that you seem to think that most manga i read are professionally made and by teams, on top of that, when half of them are made by exactly one person, non-professionally.
i'm not saying that art styles cannot change, they obviously do, but i prefer it if the artist or artists stay more truthful to their designs.
and we cannot really do much about our own appearance, though we do choose our own style.
you've chosen how you want to be, as i've chosen how i want to be, and i can absolutely relate to your story, even if i'm not into rap or grunge rock or whatever, but the base idea is the same.
when i said that this manga in particular feels americanized, i'm not talking about the art style or the music.
it's drawn less like a manga and more like a comic (i know they mean the same thing, but their places of origin are different).
if i had to compare it to something else, take the chainsaw man animation as an example.
the guy who directed that, thought it would be a good idea to turn an anime into a hollywood-looking high-budget production.
long story short, i think it fails entirely as both a good animation, and a hollywood-style production.
the person who makes this manga seems to love america a tad too much, because it's reflected in everything, down to the change the main character goes through.

i know we keep disagreeing but this is how i see it, and ultimately, this is what made me go from liking this, to hating this.
 
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i'm surprised that you seem to think that most manga i read are professionally made and by teams, on top of that, when half of them are made by exactly one person, non-professionally.
i'm not saying that art styles cannot change, they obviously do, but i prefer it if the artist or artists stay more truthful to their designs.
and we cannot really do much about our own appearance, though we do choose our own style.
you've chosen how you want to be, as i've chosen how i want to be, and i can absolutely relate to your story, even if i'm not into rap or grunge rock or whatever, but the base idea is the same.
when i said that this manga in particular feels americanized, i'm not talking about the art style or the music.
it's drawn less like a manga and more like a comic (i know they mean the same thing, but their places of origin are different).
if i had to compare it to something else, take the chainsaw man animation as an example.
the guy who directed that, thought it would be a good idea to turn an anime into a hollywood-looking high-budget production.
long story short, i think it fails entirely as both a good animation, and a hollywood-style production.
the person who makes this manga seems to love america a tad too much, because it's reflected in everything, down to the change the main character goes through.

i know we keep disagreeing but this is how i see it, and ultimately, this is what made me go from liking this, to hating this.
I'm gonna keep it brief — this genuinely makes no sense to me. While i get what you're saying in the first half, i'm also still confused on your insistence that this manga is americanized? How does sumiko arai "love america a tad too much" exactly? Like how is koga realizing her true self a reflection of america ?? This is basically like talking about very real problems, and incorporating them into a nitpick of a piece of media you don't like. I'm not by any means saying you can't enjoy this, i've been saying this for the longest time. I'm just actually so confused on you trying to compare glazing america to... The green yuri?😭

Genuine question here; how is this manga westernized in your eyes? Like why do you think that sumiko arai will absolutely die on that american hill when clearly, there's not much evidence to support that claim ? Like yeah they listen to western music but how does that equal to gassing up america in the slightest lol?
 
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I'm gonna keep it brief — this genuinely makes no sense to me. While i get what you're saying in the first half, i'm also still confused on your insistence that this manga is americanized? How does sumiko arai "love america a tad too much" exactly? Like how is koga realizing her true self a reflection of america ?? This is basically like talking about very real problems, and incorporating them into a nitpick of a piece of media you don't like. I'm not by any means saying you can't enjoy this, i've been saying this for the longest time. I'm just actually so confused on you trying to compare glazing america to... The green yuri?😭

Genuine question here; how is this manga westernized in your eyes? Like why do you think that sumiko arai will absolutely die on that american hill when clearly, there's not much evidence to support that claim ? Like yeah they listen to western music but how does that equal to gassing up america in the slightest lol?
if i knew how to put it into exact words, i would do it.
just the way characters behave and are portrayed, it feels american to me.
with the vibes, the art direction and everything, it's really hard to put into words.
it doesn't exactly look like a manga? more like a comic?
i would elaborate further if i could, but it's just feelings and vibes really.
 

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