Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 40 - Gears Setting Chaos In Motion

[mug3n]

*Also hate the concept that Hikari is somehow entitled to know who Yuu is privately f*cking. Since 'friends aren't entitled to someone's romantic interest', they're ALSO not entitled to secrets people wish to keep private.

In addition, it's hypocritical of Hikari to whine Yuu is oblivious to her signals for months, when she's been oblivious to his feelings for YEARS. Can't have it both ways, particularly when he has confessed and she can't bring herself to.
If it's not friend zoning if you're unaware of the other person's feelings, then Yuu keeping his Yami intimacy secret when he's unaware of her feelings isn't 'lying by omission' either, which some have claimed.

There's some pretty ridiculous double standards being advocated when all three have been oblivious, expected the others to be psychic, and all three have demonstrated cowardice.

I agree with you in the fact that, yes, is not like you have to be forced to reveal your relationships because what the hell is this insane standard. The problem is in the case of Yuu, he went straight for the confession after the shitstorm with Yami, totally blind, only thinking of himself and ignoring all the alarms he should have noticed when meeting with Hikari.

That's a moment where he should have asked her if something happened to her, when she was very obviously distressed about something and if he did, he probably would have to tell her about Yami, and maybe his confession wouldn't have failed because he wouldn't have looked like the asshole womanizer image we could interpret from Hikari's perspective.

The problem is that situation is still unresolved and we don't know how it will turn out, but he really should have stopped there and leave the confession for another day after a conversation with Hikari. Sooner or later they would have to talk about Yami

 

[story645]

they're ALSO not entitled to secrets people wish to keep private.

Sure they're not entitled, but healthy relationships require openness and honesty. Otherwise you get the spiraling mess that is Aya this chapter, the blindsided mess that is Hikari in the confession chapters, and the nervous evasive mess that's been Yuu this entire manga.

hypocritical of Hikari to whine Yuu is oblivious to her signals for months, when she's been oblivious to his feelings for YEARS.

She knows that and admits it to herself and kinda even Yuu during his confession so what are you even mad about here?

then Yuu keeping his Yami intimacy secret when he's unaware of her feelings isn't 'lying by omission' either, which some have claimed.

Umm, he doesn't need to know Hikari has feelings for him to owe his friend a heads up about the potential for drama at her school w/ his ex and he should tell his friend why he disappeared on her seeing as she's upset.

 

[HellJester]

*Also hate the concept that Hikari is somehow entitled to know who Yuu is privately f*cking. Since 'friends aren't entitled to someone's romantic interest', they're ALSO not entitled to secrets people wish to keep private.

In addition, it's hypocritical of Hikari to whine Yuu is oblivious to her signals for months, when she's been oblivious to his feelings for YEARS. Can't have it both ways, particularly when he has confessed and she can't bring herself to.
If it's not friend zoning if you're unaware of the other person's feelings, then Yuu keeping his Yami intimacy secret when he's unaware of her feelings isn't 'lying by omission' either, which some have claimed.

There's some pretty ridiculous double standards being advocated when all three have been oblivious, expected the others to be psychic, and all three have demonstrated cowardice.

I agree with what you said except I'd like to put a caveat to the whole "Hikari is not entitled to know who Yuu was with." Normally, that would be true. However, Yuu just found out this chapter that Hikari and Yami are best/close friends.

It would be odd for Yuu to ask Hikari out without first mentioning that he dated her best/close friend in the past.

Let's pretend Hikari didn't witness the classroom scene between Yami and Yuu. Let's pretend she accepted Yuu's confession and they start dating. It's eventually going to to come out that Yami and Yuu dated in the past. How is Hikari going to feel when she realizes both her boyfriend and her best friend kept this secret from her?

There's a world of difference between not revealing you dated a stranger in the past and revealing you dated a person's best friend in the past.

 

[HellJester]

I wouldn't say Hikari fucked him over, she really didn't do anything wrong. The only thing is being as wishy-washy as Yuu when she realized her feelings.

It feels wrong to me to be as hard as some people is about these kids not being sure what to do. I don't know what's up about that, I even don't think Yami ghosting Yuu is the ultimate sin given her circumstances, her real problem is the rest of her toxic behaviour.

Yes, I should have worded that differently. Hikari didn't personally fuck Yuu over. The situation did.

 

[HellJester]

Also, for all the haters out there, keep in mind that this is both Yami's and Yuu's first relationship and Hikari hasn't been in a relationship yet. None of them really know what they're doing and they're going to make mistakes.

We all have the benefit of knowing most of the situation and are privilege to the inner thoughts of Hikari and Yami, and very briefly, Yuu. So of course it's going to be obvious to us on what should be done and what actions a character should or should not have taken.

Just think that some people need to breathe a bit.

Also, defending or explaining a character's actions does not mean we condone the actions the character took.

 

[robopiplup07]

None of them really know what they're doing and they're going to make mistakes.

I get giving them the benefit of the doubt because they're young and inexperienced when it comes to the relationship side of things, but both Ayami and Yuu have shown that they're not even capable of being good FRIENDS. This is an especially egregious affront on Yuu's part, considering how long he's known Hikari. All I've seen so far is that he's completely self-absorbed, obviously something caused that in the past and he has a complex going on, but I'm not going to pretend that his brand of immaturity is even on the same plane of existence as Hikari's. I don't wish misery on any of them, I hope they sort their shit out, but Hikari has no business putting up with any of this. I know that's not going to happen, considering who the author is, she's going to continue pining for Yuu, but still.

 

[story645]

even went so far as to introduce other girls to him.

Pondering over this, how is Hikari supposed to know Yuu likes her when he keeps agreeing to go out w/ the girls she sets him up with? It's understandable for her to read his awkwardness around it all as shyness, especially since at that stage she seems to very much not get the romance thing all that much.

And yes I figure he said yes for the same reason he said yes to Aya, figured Hikari was a kinda lost cause and was trying to move on.

 

[GennArc]

Pondering over this, how is Hikari supposed to know Yuu likes her when he keeps agreeing to go out w/ the girls she sets him up with?

What is the point of making her aware when she is setting him up with other girls? That's just a clear sign she doesn't like him romantically at all, and this is exactly why he didn't want her to know he liked her, it was obviously one-sided and would only have made things awkward between them.

 

[story645]

this is exactly why he didn't want her to know he liked her

This was pre-exam, so presumably he still had some vague hopes that she could see him as a romantic interest.

ETA: Actively discouraging that seems a bit counter-productive to me.

 

[robopiplup07]

What is the point of making her aware

That's not the issue, all he needed to do was tell her to stop setting him up with people. Going along with it is tantamount to telling her that you're interested in other girls. Dude is responsible for his own misery.

 

[GennArc]

so presumably he still had some vague hopes that she could see him as a romantic interest.

In the future, if he works hard and impresses her. But at that moment she clearly didn't care.

Going along with it is tantamount to telling her that you're interested in other girls. Dude is responsible for his own misery.

If he showed he was not interested in other girls, what was that going to achieve? How would that change things?

 

[robopiplup07]

what was that going to achieve?

I don't know, maybe avoiding the situation he's in right now? He played a part he wasn't fully into because his love was still unrequited and now he's paying the price now that Hikari actually likes him back. He was, and currently still is, too self-absorbed to see why that would end up hurting Hikari if he somehow did end up getting a chance with her.

 

[GennArc]

I don't know, maybe avoiding the situation he's in right now?

And how could that help to avoid this situation? If he refused to meet the girls Hikari set him up with, then what, she would've suddenly started liking him?
Should I remind you when she actually started seeing him in a romantic way?

 

[robopiplup07]

And how could that help to avoid this situation? If he refused to meet the girls Hikari set him up with, then what, she would've suddenly started liking him?

That's not what I'm saying. Just like Yuu, you can't see past him making Hikari like him. It's about being a good friend by setting expectations, even if he has to keep his feelings down for the time being. His past behavior of going along with her matchmaking is what led to the current situation of him lying about Ayami. He doesn't respect Hikari, and she knows it now.

 

[GennArc]

Just like Yuu, you can't see past him making Hikari like him. It's about being a good friend by setting expectations, even if he has to keep his feelings down for the time being.

By setting what expectations? He didn't even go out with those girls, and at the end made it clear he was not into it.
I'm asking again, if he refused those invitations, how would that help? What would that achieve?

His past behavior of going along with her matchmaking is what led to the current situation of him lying about Ayami.
He doesn't respect Hikari, and she knows it now.

There is no connection at all. Please explain how going along with what Hikari proposed equals the lack of respect for Hikari.

 

[robopiplup07]

By setting what expectations?

That he's not a liar about things that shouldn't be lied about to the person you (supposedly) love. It's an almost perfect mirror to what's going on in the present. He's pretending that he doesn't like her while seeing her friends. Doesn't matter if they didn't end up going out, just as it doesn't matter that he's half-ass trying to get over Ayami now. He's saying he's been all about her and trying to get her attention and she knows that's a lie now. He got into the habit of doing it back in middle school and he's only gotten worse with it since, it's just taken on a different form.

 

[GennArc]

That he's not a liar about things that shouldn't be lied about to the person you (supposedly) love.

By agreeing to meet those girls, he is lying how?

He's pretending that he doesn't like her while seeing her friends.

So he should just be open about liking her?

I'm not seeing a logical chain between
"Not seeing the girls Hikari sets him up with" and "Their relationship going well in present".

 

[robopiplup07]

Sorry, I'm arguing in circles because I just don't like Yuu at his core. However,

So he should just be open about liking her?

I feel that would have been the best move, yes. His inability to move on from liking her while trying to pretend he just likes her as a friend precludes any sort of healthy relationship with Hikari. She's not an ignorant child, considering she was conscious enough to try setting him up with her friends, rather she just didn't see him as an attractive man. I suppose this wouldn't have been such a big deal if she would have continued not liking him and they slowly grew apart, he'd just be left with lingering what-ifs and a penchant for just letting shitty women walk all over him, but now he's actively hiding relevant and very volatile information from Hikari knowing she likes him back. He's beyond cooked and it's because of who he is as a person now.

 

[wozbond]

Sure they're not entitled, but healthy relationships require openness and honesty. Otherwise you get the spiraling mess that is Aya this chapter, the blindsided mess that is Hikari in the confession chapters, and the nervous evasive mess that's been Yuu this entire manga.

Since all three have gone for significant periods without telling others how they feel, none of the three have demonstrated a healthy relationship based on openness and honesty. People should apply the same standard to all characters rather than making excuses for just one of them.

She knows that and admits it to herself and kinda even Yuu during his confession so what are you even mad about here?

You mean 'kinda even' when she was SCREAMING at him for not making his feelings clear when she did exactly the same thing? Hikari's idea of what she's entitled to is insane. smh

Plenty of people in this forum have accused Yuu of being a coward for not confessing earlier, while pretending that Hikari has done nothing wrong when she's guilt of exactly the same thing. Again, people should apply the same standard to ALL characters rather than making excuses for just one of them.

Umm, he doesn't need to know Hikari has feelings for him to owe his friend a heads up about the potential for drama at her school w/ his ex and he should tell his friend why he disappeared on her seeing as she's upset.

Wow. There's that magic entitlement again that apparently only applies to one character. All three are keeping secrets with the potential for drama. If Hikari is 'owed' a heads up, where's Yuu's heads up that Hikari was eavesdropping?
I get that having every character ambush each other makes for great drama, but it means none of the characters get to claim any sort of moral high ground.

 

[erintesden]

Yuu haters in shambles now that Yuu is proven innocent. Hope you guys apologize to him.

Thats VERY relative.
I can't but notice from this chapter that he still has some obvious feelings for Yami.
Enough to prioritize paying her attention instead of running to Hikari who's still waiting for him and even go out of his way to ask from Yamj her phone info and tear up when she broke the thing definitely.
...and he still goes and confess to Hikari immediately after