Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 40 - Gears Setting Chaos In Motion

[Beezy]

Even if we don't discuss this as a romance manga, where she is obviously going to forgive him, I don't think he did something unforgivable from a RL perspective either. The complete trust they used to have might be broken, but if she is seriously in love with him, this should not be a show stopper.

If you go based on the comments, they make it seem like he is a serial cheater who committed abuse towards her or something lol.

 

[story645]

Ngl to me the idea that Hikari could never forgive Yuu over this feels a bit much to me

Yeah like even when she's rejecting the confession, she's just rejecting the confession - there's no "and I don't want to be friends ever again". Like if the author is pushing the communication theme, then talking it out and their friendship being better for it would work.

I'm 50/50 on a romantic endgame. Feel like somewhat realistic variant would be not immediately b/c it's just too weird for (inexperienced) Hikari b/c she's heard so many of the gory details about Aya/Yuu, but down the line yes b/c neither of their feelings faded.

Tbh I think that wasn't fully fair of her to expect people express love in different ways but also I get her thinking lol

Yup is not fair and also grown folks have to hash this out in counseling all the time.

He did what he thought was the best (or at least handled things the best he could) and he's only now realizing it really wasn't

Yeah, I've stuck with this manga largely b/c I've really been liking how internally consistent/coherent the characterization has been.

Even if we don't discuss this as a romance manga, where she is obviously going to forgive him

Didn't the author say he was writing a tragedy?

 

[GennArc]

Didn't the author say he was writing a tragedy?

I don't think he did. Certainly there will be drama, and I guess there is a chance there won't be a happy ending for anyone, but Hikari not ever forgiving Yuu is definitely out of question.

Since this thread is still going, they announced today that there will be an officially published (light) novel version of Saranami, first volume is scheduled for August. It is going to have a lot more content than the web version.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Even if we don't discuss this as a romance manga, where she is obviously going to forgive him, I don't think he did something unforgivable from a RL perspective either. The complete trust they used to have might be broken, but if she is seriously in love with him, this should not be a show stopper.

Yeah I REALLY don't think what he did was unforgivable shitty? Yes but not so bad that it'd completely ruin a 10 year (I think 10 year?) Friendship litterally if he just apologized and started being more open with Hikari I'm almost certain she'd forgive him

And yeah she was straight up considering just letting this go to accept his confession if she really is in love with him it'd probably take ALOT more for it to be a show stopper

Yeah like even when she's rejecting the confession, she's just rejecting the confession - there's no "and I don't want to be friends ever again". Like if the author is pushing the communication theme, then talking it out and their friendship being better for it would work.

Yeah exactly I said this to someone else but personally, I feel like her seeing the kiss, could honestly end up being a GOOD thing in the end for their relationship

It's forcing Yuu to learn a very important lesson about being open and honest if he can take that to right even if he struggles with doing it'd go a LONG way imo

I'm 50/50 on a romantic endgame. Feel like somewhat realistic variant would be not immediately b/c it's just too weird for (inexperienced) Hikari b/c she's heard so many of the gory details about Aya/Yuu, but down the line yes b/c neither of their feelings faded.

While I 100% still want the romance rought personally I've been thinking the same thing that a more realistic way to do it would be for them to get together down the line when they fully rebuild there trust and Yuu finally grows comfortable with being completely open with her.

But it is a manga if they compress that character development a bit I'd get it lol

Yup is not fair and also grown folks have to hash this out in counseling all the time.

Yeah I've seen/heard of fucking ADULTS struggle with this shit emotions and relationships aren't easy alot of the time and it's at its worst when you're in your teens

Yeah, I've stuck with this manga largely b/c I've really been liking how internally consistent/coherent the characterization has been.

Tbh I lucked out a bit and binged the manga right before the flashback began I probably would've gotten a little bored given, how long it took to publish if I read during it lol thankful i've found all the chapter since to be interesting and fairly well paced

 

[middle-the-nerd]

If you go based on the comments, they make it seem like he is a serial cheater who committed abuse towards her or something lol.

Yeah it's fucking wild lmao

Some people make him out to be way worse than he is

 

[middle-the-nerd]

I don't think he did. Certainly there will be drama, and I guess there is a chance there won't be a happy ending for anyone, but Hikari not ever forgiving Yuu is definitely out of question.

Tbh i'd almost go as far as to say it's be out of character for Hikari not to forgive Yuu

Since this thread is still going, they announced today that there will be an officially published (light) novel version of Saranami, first volume is scheduled for August. It is going to have a lot more content than the web version.

Oh shit really?! That's actually a little exciting hopefully someone here will share anything important or anything that just gives us more details when it releases I'd really like to know

 

[story645]

a 10 year (I think 10 year?) Friendship

Since they were 6 & Hikari half lives at his house.

Which like it sets my teeth on edge when folks complain she "friend-zoned" him. It's like no, she just thought of him & treated him in the same way she always had. Pretty sure zoning* someone requires making an active choice of which zone to put 'em in which means at least suspecting that they're romantically interested.

* Also hate the whole concept b/c it reeks of feeling entitled to someone's romantic interest just b/c you're friends.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Since they were 6 & Hikari half lives at his house.

Okay so yeah about 10 years roughly

Which like it sets my teeth on edge when folks complain she "friend-zoned" him. It's like no, she just thought of him & treated him in the same way she always had. Pretty sure zoning* someone requires making an active choice of which zone to put 'em in which means at least suspecting that they're romantically interested.

Yeah she never "friend-zoned" him that would require him to ask her out which he never did previously but it seems she somehow "broke his heart" previously but we don’t know HOW but it was basically certainly unintentional and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if whatever the heart break was it made him close himself off more and fueled his reluctance to be open with her which is what lead to shit like him not telling her about Yami or lying about where he was

But yeah I think it's clear she had never really expected he had feelings for her or at least had them for so long

* Also hate the whole concept b/c it reeks of feeling entitled to someone's romantic interest just b/c you're friends.

Yeah same I GET why it's call that but it does give that impression when no friend is entitled to that I think at most you be entitled to be rejected respectfully if you're good friends

 

[robopiplup07]

Good lord, so many Yuu self-inserters getting hella defensive in here. Only one in this trio that hasn't done anything wrong is Hikari, only thing she's guilty of is being naive. I don't even want her to win the bowl, she needs to get out of there ASAP and find an actual decent guy.

 

[robopiplup07]

Also, I've been trying to figure out why this story is making me so angry, and I've settled on the fact that I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept both of these girls being obsessed with him. Maybe it's a personal issue I have with this type of character, but it's indecisiveness and emotional unavailability in the worst way possible to me. He's not outright malicious, obviously, but this guy is just letting shitty things happen to him and to the girls around him he supposedly cares about. No responsibility whatsoever, and worst of all, no sign of wanting to better himself on that front. I feel kind of bad for being as repulsed as I am by him, but that's the subconscious beast I'm dealing with.

 

[sbhshdbdvdbdh]

Since they were 6 & Hikari half lives at his house.

Which like it sets my teeth on edge when folks complain she "friend-zoned" him. It's like no, she just thought of him & treated him in the same way she always had. Pretty sure zoning* someone requires making an active choice of which zone to put 'em in which means at least suspecting that they're romantically interested.

* Also hate the whole concept b/c it reeks of feeling entitled to someone's romantic interest just b/c you're friends.

I would argue that he was in the friend zone merely because of the fact that i’m pretty sure it’s mentioned that she had only seen him as a little brother figure up until recently

 

[sbhshdbdvdbdh]

Good lord, so many Yuu self-inserters getting hella defensive in here. Only one in this trio that hasn't done anything wrong is Hikari, only thing she's guilty of is being naive. I don't even want her to win the bowl, she needs to get out of there ASAP and find an actual decent guy.

too many yuu haters in here , he hasn’t done anything nearly as bad to deserve such hate 😭😭

 

[story645]

I would argue that he was in the friend zone merely because of the fact that i’m pretty sure it’s mentioned that she had only seen him as a little brother figure up until recently

Kinda sorta, but it's not a conscious "I only like him as a brother and not romantically", it's an unconscious she's been his protector since they were six.

and I've settled on the fact that I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept both of these girls being obsessed with him.

I think Aya is understandable b/c it's unhealthy: latches on to him b/c her bar for men is in hell - she falls for him basically b/c he doesn't really try to sleep w/ her. I think falls harder b/c she's in a codependent spiral and he's not the complete trash her mom brings home.

I think Hikari is able to reject the confession precisely b/c her attachment is of a healthier variety - he's someone she's been compatible w/ for ages who she's now also physically attracted to (so yes fueled a little bit by wishful thinking that this would be a shoujoesque romance).

 

[mug3n]

too many yuu haters in here , he hasn’t done anything nearly as bad to deserve such hate 😭😭

A 15 year old has all the answers to life, you dummy. Don't dare to be less than a gary stu.

 

[GennArc]

but it's not a conscious "I only like him as a brother and not romantically", it's an unconscious she's been his protector since they were six.

This has been contetsted a lot recently, but I still think that her own words about not seeing him as a man

All the way through middle school -- no, actually, until just a year ago -- I never saw him as a boy. He was just my pure and simple childhood friend, nothing more.

her attempts to intoduce him to other girls

Every now and then -- maybe once a year, or every other year -- there'd be girls who'd come up to me and ask, Hey, could you introduce me to him? (Back then, I didn't think much of it and just went ahead and introduced them!)

But whenever I set up something like that, he'd always look all shy and uncomfortable.
They'd hang out a few times, try it out, but it never lasted...

Hikari: "So, Ta~kun, what happened with that girl?"
Yuu: "Uh... well..."

And he'd give me that awkward look, trying to dodge the question.

and his own words about her always only seeing him as a friend

He talked about how there was a girl he'd been in love with since he was little.
How she only ever saw him as a friend.

All of those add up into her actually never viewing him as a romantic option. Maybe it's not a complete condradiction to your words, but this is still very close to what people call a friendzone (although I don't like the word either).

 

[mug3n]

Maybe it's not a complete condradiction to your words, but this is still very close to what people call a friendzone (although I don't like the word either).

I wouldn't classify it as such, she likes him and also there isn't this kind of desperation/entitlement from him. At least for now.

 

[story645]

A 15 year old has all the answers to life, you dummy.

Legit I kinda find Yuu triggering in the ways he reminds me of some of the men I know in their 30s and 40s. At least Yuu seems to be recognizing his bad habits.

All of those add up into her actually never viewing him as a romantic option. Maybe it's not a complete condradiction to your words, but this is still very close to what people call a friendzone (although I don't like the word either).

I don't see it as a contradiction b/c I think those examples support that she didn't even conceptualize the "romance" zone as existing, so she never actively made the choice to slot him as "friend".

I think active intent is a prerequisite here - Hikari doesn't think she'd have definitely said no if he had asked her out, only maybe/probably. She was also rejecting other boys right and left at the same time,which to me reads like developmentally she just wasn't really interested in/ready for romantic relationships with anyone yet.

 

[HellJester]

Also, I've been trying to figure out why this story is making me so angry, and I've settled on the fact that I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept both of these girls being obsessed with him. Maybe it's a personal issue I have with this type of character, but it's indecisiveness and emotional unavailability in the worst way possible to me. He's not outright malicious, obviously, but this guy is just letting shitty things happen to him and to the girls around him he supposedly cares about. No responsibility whatsoever, and worst of all, no sign of wanting to better himself on that front. I feel kind of bad for being as repulsed as I am by him, but that's the subconscious beast I'm dealing with.

I mean, in Yuu's defense Yami and Hikari fucked him over hard.

In Hikari's case, Yuu was in love with her for 10 years. He felt inferior to her and had no confidence that she would like him back (as many others have pointed out including GennArc just recently). His confidence was constantly being beaten down as the object of his desire was oblivious to him and even went so far as to introduce other girls to him.

Enter Yami (who admitted she approached Yuu to bring him down to her level and have some sort of mutual destruction until she spent time with him and fell in love). Yuu finally has a relationship with a girl and it's filled with Yami being Yami. She doesn't reveal too much about herself, expecting Yuu to magically fill in the gaps. She abruptly falls off the face of the earth as far as Yuu is concerned and he's left with no knowledge of what went wrong.

Now we come back to Hikari and Yuu. Yuu is now the perfect example of once bitten, twice shy. He's even more cautious now with Hikari as the last relationship Yuu had blew up in his face and he has no clue what happened. Of course he's going to be shy and indecisive and wait for Hikari to make the moves. The last times Yuu tried anything with a girl he was either ignored or abandoned. He needs therapy.

 

[mug3n]

I mean, in Yuu's defense Yami and Hikari fucked him over hard.

I wouldn't say Hikari fucked him over, she really didn't do anything wrong. The only thing is being as wishy-washy as Yuu when she realized her feelings.

It feels wrong to me to be as hard as some people is about these kids not being sure what to do. I don't know what's up about that, I even don't think Yami ghosting Yuu is the ultimate sin given her circumstances, her real problem is the rest of her toxic behaviour.

 

[wozbond]

Since they were 6 & Hikari half lives at his house.

Which like it sets my teeth on edge when folks complain she "friend-zoned" him. It's like no, she just thought of him & treated him in the same way she always had. Pretty sure zoning* someone requires making an active choice of which zone to put 'em in which means at least suspecting that they're romantically interested.

* Also hate the whole concept b/c it reeks of feeling entitled to someone's romantic interest just b/c you're friends.

*Also hate the concept that Hikari is somehow entitled to know who Yuu is privately f*cking. Since 'friends aren't entitled to someone's romantic interest', they're ALSO not entitled to secrets people wish to keep private.

In addition, it's hypocritical of Hikari to whine Yuu is oblivious to her signals for months, when she's been oblivious to his feelings for YEARS. Can't have it both ways, particularly when he has confessed and she can't bring herself to.
If it's not friend zoning if you're unaware of the other person's feelings, then Yuu keeping his Yami intimacy secret when he's unaware of her feelings isn't 'lying by omission' either, which some have claimed.

There's some pretty ridiculous double standards being advocated when all three have been oblivious, expected the others to be psychic, and all three have demonstrated cowardice.