Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 41 - Everything, Falling Apart

[Rarez]

And you do agree with me that he hasn't always loved Hikari, right?

That I wouldn't know. We need a Yuu POV for that.

Otherwise. Basing a person's love on their celibacy is weird and incel-y

 

[Squall_Leonhart]

what, yami didn't isekai herself yet?

 

[Rarez]

It's not a Hikari problem as their past relationship is affecting current relationships in the present (both romantic and friendship).

I repeat.

If we talking about the kiss, That's totally Yami's fault.
If we just talking about the fact Yuu and Yami were in a relationship. That's a Hikari problem.

No one is saying Yuu should have pined away as a virgin and hoped that Hikari would give him the time of day.

Good. So Yuu date someone else then. And that's not Hikari's problem.

 

[story645]

How involved is she?

Very b/c it's her best friend and her close childhood friend and therefore they were inevitably gonna meet, which is exactly what happened.

The reason it's so wrong that Yuu and Yami kept secrets from Hikari is it goes to show that they don't trust Hikari to do the right thing. They are refusing to give her any agency in the confession.

I love how the author has the decisions Yami and Yuu try to make for Hikari backfire. Like both these chapters have Hikari trying to speak Aya and Yuu's languages - here she pushes Aya to say her feelings, last chapter she tried to give Yuu space until he confessed. And even then like she told him he was worthy of her and loved, which to me doesn't sound like she thinks having a past makes him a bad person. She very specifically limits her rejection to the lying.

 

[Rarez]

Very b/c it's her best friend and her close childhood friend and therefore they were inevitably gonna meet, which is exactly what happened.

I don't think "Being acquainted with both parties" counts a "very".

Kinda shows by the fact. You only said

her best friend and her close childhood friend

 

[Lajs]

I think i need to see the next chapter to confirm my theory, but i think its more of she doesn't want to even start a relationship, or really discuss the possibility of a relationship with yuu when she clearly knows theres undisclosed feelings/tensions between yuu and hikari, and she doesn't want to do anything until that is settled.


I still don't want her to be in a relationship with him, he doesn't deserve her, but hikari is an angel and too good for everyone

Nah more like Hikari doesn’t deserve him

 

[rgyyttt]

That I wouldn't know. We need a Yuu POV for that.

Otherwise. Basing a person's love on their celibacy is weird and incel-y

Based on the fact that he dated Yami, plus what he said during his confession, either he was lying to Hikari about always loving her, or he never loved Yami and just used her for sex. Or maybe you could say he loved them both at the same time lol. Either way, he's not innocent.

 

[Rarez]

They're friends now and you typically don't date a friend's ex without getting their blessing. It doesn't matter how long ago they dated. It's an unspoken rule.

Then that's Hikari's problem. and if the exes didn't explain before. they have a right to complain afterwards.

Both Yuu and Yami knew not telling Hikari was wrong based on their reactions. Yami was crying in the rain the moment she found out about Yuu being Hikari's crush. She absolutely kept it hidden because she was afraid Hikari wouldn't be friends with her anymore. Yuu didn't bother to share any of this information with Hikari and in the brief moment in Chapter 39 where we get his POV we see that he realizes he was wrong and was awful to her.

I think I'm getting some wires crossed.
I thought that Yami didn't know either. In that case. It's increasing become more of yami's fault.

The reason it's so wrong that Yuu and Yami kept secrets from Hikari is it goes to show that they don't trust Hikari to do the right thing. They are refusing to give her any agency in the confession.

Are supposed to list every ex you have before talking to your "target of affection".
Because remember. They dated before they became friends.

The problem is the fact you people keep equating "Past I don't know about" with "Secrets". I mean that's the only way to paint Yuu as the bad guy.

Yami definitely is though.

Their past relationship directly affects all three of them in the present.

I repeat

If we talking about the kiss, That's totally Yami's fault.
If we just talking about the fact Yuu and Yami were in a relationship. That's a Hikari problem.

Because "Yuu-wise" that just a past relationship.

 

[GennArc]

He said he's always loved Hikari since childhood. No, obviously not. He dated Yami for half a year - how can he claim he's always loved Hikari since childhood? How can you say this isn't a lie?

Because love can be a slightly more complicated feeling than just "if I love one person, I stop being in love with anyone else".
This was already in the manga, like when Yami was thinking about Yuu's lingering feelings for his childhood friend. And you might need to accept that it can work this way further down the road to avoid more confusion with this story.

 

[Rarez]

Based on the fact that he dated Yami

Yup. "Celibate or you don't love me".

he never loved Yami and just used her for sex.......

Unless there was rape or cheating involvement. Pretty sure their clean on that front.

 

[rgyyttt]

Yup. "Celibate or you don't love me".

Okay, if you want to play

That's him, Yuu, who said 'I've always loved you', not me. If he wanted to confess, he could have just said 'I like you, can we date?' No, he didn't. He chose to use 'I've always loved you since childhood' to add weight to his feelings. (However, he was even crying over his ex-girlfriend just an hour before, which further weakened his confession - though maybe Hikari doesn't know he cried.) But he messed up because his lie was called out directly.

 

[Highorse]

I sincerely hope she does. I hope she becomes the type of character who knows kindness can hurt and uses it (while still being actually kind).
But until we know for sure, I will have to assume that Hikari is still being her naive kind angelic self from before. Which is my main gripe with her as a character.

I don't think she realises it tbh. As much as she is a ray of sunshine in contrast to these two fuck ups she's also fucked up in her own way by being TOO pure and thus unable to understand that having this chat with Aya rn won't result in anything good (which she still wants for everyone).

 

[Rarez]

Okay, if you want to play

There is no other answer I can give to the same question.
Dude. You literally just giving the same point again.
Again.

It's simply a lie, and unfortunately for him, Hikari called him out on it directly.

again.

For not telling the truth. That he hasn't always loved her, why do you think Hikari would call him a liar though?

again.

You really don't understand or you don't want to understand? He said he's always loved Hikari since childhood. No, obviously not. He dated Yami for half a year

again.

because his lie was called out directly.

And you do agree with me that he hasn't always loved Hikari, right?

again.

Based on the fact that he dated Yami,

again.

But he messed up because his lie was called out directly.

note: all of these is about Yuu dating Yami beforehand.

 

[rgyyttt]

There is no other answer I can give to the same question.
Dude. You literally just giving the same point again.

Because you've just been defending him by ignoring what Yuu himself was saying, I'm just trying to emphasize that point.

 

[Rarez]

Because you've just been defending him by ignoring what Yuu himself was saying, I'm just trying to emphasize that point.

Yes. because

Basing a person's love on their celibacy is weird and incel-y

Prove that it isn't. or Prove that it's right to do so.

 

[story645]

I don't think "Being acquainted with both parties" counts a "very".

Agree but she's not merely acquainted w/ Aya and Yuu, she's enmeshed w/ them. She half lives at Yuu's house and like half the time she's not with him she's w/ Aya. Please troll better, this is making me feel dumb.

 

[rgyyttt]

Yes. because

Prove that it isn't. or Prove that it's right to do so.

If you date someone, then you are in love with them. Simple and easy. Can you date someone while still loving someone else? Technically, you can, but if you do so then you are not innocent.

 

[Rarez]

Agree but she's not merely acquainted w/ Aya and Yuu, she's enmeshed w/ them.

And that's it. Quibbling about the descriptor/ reiterating. not giving more reason she's involved like.
"she wanted to date one of the party".

this is making me feel dumb.

I have nothing to do with that.

 

[story645]

having this chat with Aya rn won't result in anything good (which she still wants for everyone).

i think Hikari is kinda stuck though in that she figures she's gotta have it out w/ Aya b/f Aya has a chance to run away. Like Aya needs it to happen now to know that Hikari cares.

 

[story645]

Quibbling about the descriptor/ reiterating. not giving more reason she's involved like.

B/c that's the reason - she's involved because she's enmeshed w/ them to the degree where their relationship has already started to affect her. Yuu was wavering on going to the festival, Aya hid the whole time, Yuu wasn't there when she was looking for him, Aya is clearly not ok w/ Yuu and Hikari dating, and Hikari's two most important people can't be in the same room w/ each other.