Kanojo ni Uwaki Sareteita Ore ga, Koakuma na Kouhai ni Natsukareteimasu - Ch. 31

[18thMoon]

The tim they were going out matters less than then number of times they saw each other. If it was infrequent I can agree with your argument but if they saw each other regularly then I would disagree. In any case, relying on someone other then your significant other to solve a big problem can be reasonably interpreted as a betrayal.

I believe Natsuki wasn't a friend of Reina, only someone she knew before and who she met by coincidence. It seems she relied more on Natsuki and the junior was just someone who she crossed paths with. In my view that's the bigger mistake Reina made, trusting someone so obviously selfish as her junior.

If that's one of the most ridiculous things you've ever heard then you have not heard very much in life (perhaps for the better. No good comes from listening to politicians...)

Reina doesn’t even attend the same college as Yuuta and Ayaka, so why would he rely on her to handle an issue involving their club? That just doesn’t make sense. And again, as I mentioned in my last response, there were two separate times when she suspected him of cheating, and both times, Yuuta made an effort to reassure her. If she couldn’t communicate that she felt uncomfortable with how close he was to Ayaka, then that’s entirely on her.

Point 1: Yuuta’s First Attempt to Reassure Her

When Reina first brings up Ayaka, Yuuta doesn’t get defensive. He immediately checks in with her, asking if it’s better that he stop texting female friends. He’s trying to meet her halfway. When she says it’s fine, he still tells her he’ll try to refrain anyway... even though she told him he didn’t have to. That’s his first clear attempt at reassurance.

Then Reina sees a picture of Ayaka and realizes how pretty she is. But Yuuta’s response should be a dead giveaway that he’s not interested in her. Reina comments, she seems like someone you can rely on. And Yuuta responds, if you two ever met, I’m sure you’d get along. If that happened, that would be the best.

Point 2: Yuuta’s Second Reassurance, Clearer Than Ever

Even here, Yuuta takes it a step further. He’s not just brushing off her jealousy, he’s saying he wants them to meet. If he were hiding something, that would be the last thing he’d want. It’s another clear gesture meant to ease Reina’s mind and show that there’s nothing inappropriate happening between him and Ayaka.

So that’s two separate moments where Yuuta is doing his best to reassure Reina, both with his actions and his words. Not once is he dismissive. Not once does he ignore her concerns. He’s being transparent, respectful, and thoughtful.

And yet, at no point does Reina sit down and tell Yuuta that she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka. By the time we’re approaching their one-year anniversary in November, Reina sees that Yuuta has a lot going on. She starts feeling even more jealous, and instead of talking to him about it, she lets those feelings fester. The whole time, she’s longing to be someone Yuuta can rely on. She wants to be there for him... but she doesn’t follow through. She never takes her own advice.

But it doesn’t matter if you perceive it as betrayal... not when Yuuta tried to reassure her twice, and both times, Reina failed to communicate her true feelings.

They had been dating for less than a year. It’s not on him to magically predict what she’s going through. If she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka, she needs to say that. If she can’t be honest and confide in him, that’s on her. Blaming him and calling it betrayal when he’s done nothing wrong is completely absurd.

So yeah, what I said earlier, about it being the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, that doesn’t even come close anymore. It’s your follow-up, the fact that you're actually doubling down on this nonsense, that really takes the crown. Because at this point, you clearly don’t see how off-base you are.

It’s like you didn’t even read the chapter. Reina admits that Yuuta tried to reassure her. And not once did she open up to him about how she was feeling. Instead, she went looking for emotional validation somewhere else.

And you’re seriously trying to argue Reina and Natsuki aren’t friends... when Reina herself calls her her best friend? I don’t know if you’re being willfully ignorant or just refusing to accept what’s on the page, but you’re wrong. Plain and simple.

I don’t need to say anything else, because you haven’t proven anything otherwise.

Final conclusion:
Yuuta wasn’t perfect, but he made an effort. He showed up. He tried to communicate. Reina didn’t. She stayed silent, but you're blaming him for not seeing through her lies. That’s not on him. That’s on her.

 

[UdenEmpati]

But these dumbasses are crazy for calling Yuuta getting a burger with Ayaka cheating.

Especially when some of those people want to insist that what Reina did with Glasses was simply "making a mistake".

 

[UdenEmpati]

Reina doesn’t even attend the same college as Yuuta and Ayaka, so why would he rely on her to handle an issue involving their club? That just doesn’t make sense. And again, as I mentioned in my last response, there were two separate times when she suspected him of cheating, and both times, Yuuta made an effort to reassure her. If she couldn’t communicate that she felt uncomfortable with how close he was to Ayaka, then that’s entirely on her.

Point 1: Yuuta’s First Attempt to Reassure Her

When Reina first brings up Ayaka, Yuuta doesn’t get defensive. He immediately checks in with her, asking if it’s better that he stop texting female friends. He’s trying to meet her halfway. When she says it’s fine, he still tells her he’ll try to refrain anyway... even though she told him he didn’t have to. That’s his first clear attempt at reassurance.

Then Reina sees a picture of Ayaka and realizes how pretty she is. But Yuuta’s response should be a dead giveaway that he’s not interested in her. Reina comments, she seems like someone you can rely on. And Yuuta responds, if you two ever met, I’m sure you’d get along. If that happened, that would be the best.

Point 2: Yuuta’s Second Reassurance, Clearer Than Ever

Even here, Yuuta takes it a step further. He’s not just brushing off her jealousy, he’s saying he wants them to meet. If he were hiding something, that would be the last thing he’d want. It’s another clear gesture meant to ease Reina’s mind and show that there’s nothing inappropriate happening between him and Ayaka.

So that’s two separate moments where Yuuta is doing his best to reassure Reina, both with his actions and his words. Not once is he dismissive. Not once does he ignore her concerns. He’s being transparent, respectful, and thoughtful.

And yet, at no point does Reina sit down and tell Yuuta that she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka. By the time we’re approaching their one-year anniversary in November, Reina sees that Yuuta has a lot going on. She starts feeling even more jealous, and instead of talking to him about it, she lets those feelings fester. The whole time, she’s longing to be someone Yuuta can rely on. She wants to be there for him... but she doesn’t follow through. She never takes her own advice.

But it doesn’t matter if you perceive it as betrayal... not when Yuuta tried to reassure her twice, and both times, Reina failed to communicate her true feelings.

They had been dating for less than a year. It’s not on him to magically predict what she’s going through. If she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka, she needs to say that. If she can’t be honest and confide in him, that’s on her. Blaming him and calling it betrayal when he’s done nothing wrong is completely absurd.

So yeah, what I said earlier, about it being the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, that doesn’t even come close anymore. It’s your follow-up, the fact that you're actually doubling down on this nonsense, that really takes the crown. Because at this point, you clearly don’t see how off-base you are.

It’s like you didn’t even read the chapter. Reina admits that Yuuta tried to reassure her. And not once did she open up to him about how she was feeling. Instead, she went looking for emotional validation somewhere else.

And you’re seriously trying to argue Reina and Natsuki aren’t friends... when Reina herself calls her her best friend? I don’t know if you’re being willfully ignorant or just refusing to accept what’s on the page, but you’re wrong. Plain and simple.

I don’t need to say anything else, because you haven’t proven anything otherwise.

Final conclusion:
Yuuta wasn’t perfect, but he made an effort. He showed up. He tried to communicate. Reina didn’t. She stayed silent, but you're blaming him for not seeing through her lies. That’s not on him. That’s on her.

I hope you're able to sleep soundly at night given how often you go around recounting all this to sheep time after time

 

[ExarchOfAfrica]

What are you talking about? She clearly said that Natsuki and her have been friends since middle school,, and they've always hung out in the same group of friends. In fact, she describes her friendship to Natsuki as being the same as Ayaka's and MC's friendship.

Glasses boy did nothing wrong, he was trying to chase after a girl he liked. He didn't force himself on her, and his opinions were made based on what Natsuki had told him. Of course he would badmouth MC and call him a cheater if it would lead to him getting the girl he likes. She wasn't "trusting" of him either, she rejected his advances, and THEN she thought about a what if scenario where she got close to a member of the opposite sex that wasn't her boyfriend, thus he, being the nearest male at the time, became a tool for her...a tool she quickly discarded. Man, Reina really is something else, huh?

Whoops, I got my names mixed up, I meant Toyota, the glasses guy (my apologies). Page 9 tells me that she ran into him by coincidence and he's initially referred to as a "junior" and not by his name. She also says "what if I becake good friends with a guy" on page 33, implying she didn't see Natsuki thar way before.

Stuff like "I'm your fan, please date me!" strikes me as bizzare. What does it even mean to be a "fan" in this case? I find him manipulative.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Stuff like "I'm your fan, please date me!" strikes me as bizzare. What does it even mean to be a "fan" in this case? I find him manipulative.

Glasses (or "Toyota" or whatever the fuck, I don't actually care what his name is) is just an opportunistic horndog who thought he'd have a chance of getting into his senpai's pants if he just said whatever he thought she wanted to hear in that moment.

That's the entirety of his identity thus far in this story. He wanted sex with Reina, and was more than happy to blindly accuse Yuuta of cheating on Reina with Ayaka, if it meant she'd bend over for him.

Sadly (for him at least), all he seems to have gotten was a bit of finger-laced hand-holding while Reina "experimented" with emotional validation from a non-boyfriend dude, which then promptly blew up in her face.

 

[Deadgrillingreaper19]

Okay okay, lemme get this straight, because the MC have a friend that he can rely on which happens to be girl, you have the right to not only be friends with a guy you first met(which I'm cool with it btw) but have the audacity to hand hold with him at the first time you guys meet because you want to test if you feel guilty about it while having a boyfriend. Yea man, I don't know what rent-a-girlfriend bullshit is happening here, but clearly this is sum BS.

 

[royraja]

Imagine being ayaka, the only two of her best friend worst moment happened because of her existence. Feels bad man..

Edit: After reading a couple of chapters before this i could understand Reina's mind. At first she thought that she's not cheating because she just did what mc do to ayaka. But after confronting mc and miyu (kouhai) the first time she admit she's cheating. But that also why after that, she said to Miyu that it's fine to cheat means that she's gonna accept mc relationship with ayaka. She's also planning to getting closer to mc again after this based of her mentioning that she's starting from negative with the mc. Sorry for my bad english..

 

[Necronauta]

At first I thought she was a dumbass, now I know she's most definitely a dumbass

 

[darkliondp]

Imagine being ayaka, the only two of her best friend worst moment happened because of her existence. Feels bad man..

Edit: After reading a couple of chapters before this i could understand Reina's mind. At first she thought that she's not cheating because she just did what mc do to ayaka. But after confronting mc and miyu (kouhai) the first time she admit she's cheating. But that also why after that, she said to Miyu that it's fine to cheat means that she's gonna accept mc relationship with ayaka. She's also planning to getting closer to mc again after this based of her mentioning that she's starting from negative with the mc. Sorry for my bad english..

She thought she's not cheating because she was coping. It is explained: Reina was left in a devastated mindset after what lead to the break up. So she was trying to rationalize what could have been wrong from her side. It is only recently that she's willing to admit to her mistakes which is why her previous approaches felt frivolous and seemingly just to hurt the main character. She wasn't open to accept her share of the issue and why after the MC left the last time in the market and having explained her story to Mayu that she sorted her thoughts better. Mayu said it: after hearing her side and completing the story (she knew the side of the MC already) who is to blame can change based on who is listening. Mayu concludes that she knows the MC first hand and how much of a gentleman he is so it is impossible for her to not side with him (she is well aware of how much he liked Reina) but she sympathize with Reina because she understood her female worries (she also has troubles with Ayaka). Ayaka also does it by the way, she even points out how it is because of her that things ended like they did even if it was indirectly.

What she talks with Miyu about cheating isn't that it is good or bad but about the mental processes that lead to determine who is a cheater. She's implying there that the MC is also a cheater, but that's another cope out. This last chapter showcases how consistent both sides of the story were regarding the MC and his friendships with Ayaka and is leading to her to appeal using her own emotional worries instead of pointing out the MCs flaws (that were not relevant to the scenario). Her ultimate goal is to be able to start a relationship with the MC again but I fear she's naively thinking things can return to how they used to be, which is simply impossible.

 

[18thMoon]

Well said. Thats why nothing good ever comes out of girl boy friendships

Only a person with an immature mindset believes this. In fact, I'll go a step further — if you can't find any fault in Reina's actions and only want to blame Yuuta for not recognizing her insecurities, while ignoring the fact that he tried to reassure her not once, but twice, then you're just being deliberately stupid.

 

[18thMoon]

Yeah her cheating just boils down to them holding hands lol and everyone is so pissed on her when our MC is literally hanging out with Ayaka more than his girlfriend lol

Since you're deliberately going out of your way to strike down my comments, how about sharing your point of view? Whether we agree or disagree, I believe we can have a civil conversation. But if that's not possible, it only tells me you might be in the wrong.

 

[18thMoon]

Well said. Thats why nothing good ever comes out of girl boy friendships irl

Deliberately going out of your way to strike my comment without offering a counter-argument just shows you're choosing to be a bitch 😂 Honestly, it's a shame. The least I expected was for you to stand by what you believe and tell me where you think I'm wrong — but hey, it is what it is.

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

Deliberately going out of your way to strike my comment without offering a counter-argument just shows you're choosing to be a bitch 😂 Honestly, it's a shame. The least I expected was for you to stand by what you believe and tell me where you think I'm wrong — but hey, it is what it is.

"Women are never wrong and to those who say otherwise or held them accountable for their actions are incels by default" - that is his argument and will always be.

 

[18thMoon]

"Women are never wrong and to those who say otherwise or held them accountable for their actions are incels by default" - that is his argument and will always be.

Yeah, but apparently he's not mature enough to express that lol

 

[Closetweeb53]

Was that supposed to make Reina more likeable? Instead of communicating her concerns she uses her own self-made issues into an excuse to cheat and gaelight. Holy shit what a dumpster fire of a person.

 

[Mordeurmine]

Bros name is Toyota?

Yeah Istg i was gonna make a joke about it but seeing how much bread there was in the comments i change artistic direction

 

[Mordeurmine]

I've seen a lot of cheater justifications throughout my life, it always makes my blood boil because I personally believe its one of the worst things you can do to someone.

Here people keeping arguing that the action wasnt that bad but the timeline makes it infinitely worse. If Reina for example caught the MC like that with Ayaka, would she be feeling so calm? lol

Yeah that's what I'm saying. I'm ngl I'm kinda biased too because for me cheating is just so disgusting that only the idea of doing it make me immediately hate a character lol . Here there's nothing to be defending, Reina's actions are just plain horrendous

 

[SilviusK]

Just hope the MC is like "nah fuck you" in the next chapter

 

[Quroh_JG]

What a fucking bitch

 

[Hauberk1800]

Of course, that's why it was up to the ex to say something if her bf was to dense to realize what he was doing was hurting her. It was never his intention. She decided not to clear the air or mention her insecurities to him, and maybe convince him to set some boundaries with his friend. Instead she jumped to conclusions and gave in to her insecurities. Yes, the MC should have been more empathetic, and realize what he was doing, but he was dense. Sometimes you need to explain to people what actions they are doing that irritates you, because they may not realize what they are doing is bad. I know this from first hand experience.

I don't think we can say he was too dense when he literally asked her precisely cause it could be something that might make her uncomfortable