7-Kakan Gentei Kanojo - Vol. 2 Ch. 10 - Sumie Nagi

[shittycoolusername69]

I do kinda wonder what happened with the tutor. Obviously she was just playing with her, but presumably there's a reason she chose to ghost Nagi all of a sudden after she already put in the time investment to groom her. Did she just move or what? Get bored? Seems a bit late in the game to start getting scared of legal consequences, and I sincerely doubt it was crisis of conscience.

Especially given that Yua's age is unconfirmed (she may have been high school aged; as others pointed out tutors may be addressed as 'sensei' by their students) I don't think there is evidence to suggest that she had much of a Plan to speak of (which does not make what she did any less scummy, to be clear). It's just as possible that she acted on impulse and then when the guilt caught up to her, she ghosted Nagi, perhaps justifying it as making it easier for Nagi to move on. Though honestly even having a plan to exploit someone does not preclude later feelings of guilt; people are complicated and weird like that.

This bit is more speculative, but to me Nagi's lines on page 23 sound suspiciously like something Yua might have told herself before ghosting Nagi. Of course Nagi hasn't committed any wrongdoing on the same level, since they're the same age and they had an agreement on the time limit.

 

[youkari]

I'm definitely open to pointing out errors but I think this a difference of interpretation and a pretty minor change?

For p20 I read it as her questioning why she's talking about chonkers and opening up, not connected to the following sentence. The identical hairstyle but different scenes makes it hard to tell.

For p21 to me 2nd panel (もっともらしく自分を正当化して, "justify herself in a reasonable way") is her saying that she came up with a flimsy excuse to manatsu in the moment as to why Nagi would even want to do the fake dating thing. The 自分 isn't being modified by the following clause and 正当化する doesn't mean specifically justify to oneself, but like defend an idea generally?

The rest is the same, she hid her true intentions and tried to take advantage.

Would love to hear thoughts.

With p20, the text in the recollection is slightly blurred/thinned compared to the box on the bottom which is bold. So we know that isn't a continuation of the thunderstorm scene.
Edit: It's still hard to be certain considering there are no thought bubbles elsewhere in that section.

I did also initially read p21 as that she referring to when she proposed the fake dating thing to Manatsu as well. It makes sense contextually too. Perhaps I thought about it too long. But the section is continuous (hence the square boxes) so translating the first box as "I hid my true motives" didn't sit quite right as it's not until the end where it's spoken in past tense.
When I took it all into context it also made sense that she had to convince herself that taking advantage of the situation wasn't wrong. Because I just couldn't see how making up a plausible excuse for the fake dating thing could make her feel that horrible. Maybe I've just been thinking about that page way too much?

You did great overall so it's no big deal at the end of the day.

 

[OddMan11]

With p20, the text in the recollection is slightly blurred/thinned compared to the box on the bottom which is bold. So we know that isn't a continuation of the thunderstorm scene.
Edit: It's still hard to be certain considering there are no thought bubbles elsewhere in that section.

I did also initially read p21 as that she referring to when she proposed the fake dating thing to Manatsu as well. It makes sense contextually too. Perhaps I thought about it too long. But the section is continuous (hence the square boxes) so translating the first box as "I hid my true motives" didn't sit quite right as it's not until the end where it's spoken in past tense.
When I took it all into context it also made sense that she had to convince herself that taking advantage of the situation wasn't wrong. Because I just couldn't see how making up a plausible excuse for the fake dating thing could make her feel that horrible. Maybe I've just been thinking about that page way too much?

You did great overall so it's no big deal at the end of the day.

You're right about the blurry text on p20, she is probably on the beach saying "what am I doing (catching feelings and exploiting manatsu)? I don't have the right to hold this hand" not in the thunderstorm saying "what am I doing (talking about chonkers)?". I will change this line later to the literal TL "what am I doing?" And then it will be up to reader interpretation like the original, I suppose.

You're wrong about p21, that is te form linking. Each of the square boxes is in the past tense. She probably feels guilty about the lying and exploiting in general not the act of making an excuse specifically.

 

[youkari]

You're wrong about p21, that is te form linking. Each of the square boxes is in the past tense.

Ahh yep, you're right on that. My bad.

 

[iririuuu]

I guess that this teacher was a college stundent or something, talk about being irresponsible and criminal

 

[Gothic_Catalyst]

Sister alert!
Thank you for the chapter.

 

[AkodoRyu]

If the tutor was in HS, and she was a 3rd year middle school student, the most diff in age would be 3 years. All under 18. Many high achieving HS do tutoring as a part time job. Sensei is used even with other minors if the person is in a position of teaching. She had a crush on her tutor, and tutor took advantage of her. Even though no real crime, still scummy move.

It never crossed my mind that she might be a HS student due to how she dressed and looked - much more Uni vibes. But it could be. Would make the trope a bit less iffy for a change.

 

[Manko-sensei]

Ah, the classical school trip, perfect for yuri developments! Now she can't escape!

 

[Siklaws]

"I'm... So stupid."
Yes, indeed. Now stop being one and get your girl.

Thanks for the translation!

 

[BreadBunny]

While technically true, individual prefectures had raised their ages of consent already, and there were laws in place for prohibiting indecent sex acts between over adults and minors (under 18). It is true the Penal Code was only amended recently, but it didn't actually have much effect given the existing laws

thank you for bringing that up people love saying the age of consent in japan is 13 as if that has ever been the whole story, and not just the minimum age any prefecture is allowed to set the age of consent at with every prefecture having always had it at 16 at the lowest. which by the way is still higher than in a lot of european countries or US states.

 

[youdontknowwho]

The lawful age of consents was 13 not long ago. Seems like it needs some time reach manga stories.

It's not like mangaland ever cares about real life laws. And it would hardly matter if the tutor was also underage (high school student)

 

[mijarena]

It's not like mangaland ever cares about real life laws. And it would hardly matter if the tutor was also underage (high school student)

I'm not a native English speaker, so I try to make clear, what I wanted to say:

As it is with al laws and common knowledge that lastet a long time (in this case 13 as age of consent for over 100 years) this reflects in literature and other art.
I think, that even after 2 years of a new law, this might need some time to settle in the minds of the artists (and not only in the minds of the artists, but that's the topic here)

And by the way, even in the new law even if the minor is below 16, intercourse with a minor is not punished if the age difference does not exceed 5 years.
So, if she would be 14 while preparing for exam and sensei would be a 19 year old college student, there would be no punishment.

 

[youkari]

I'm not a native English speaker, so I try to make clear, what I wanted to say:

As it is with al laws and common knowledge that lastet a long time (in this case 13 as age of consent for over 100 years) this reflects in literature and other art.
I think, that even after 2 years of a new law, this might need some time to settle in the minds of the artists (and not only in the minds of the artists, but that's the topic here)

And by the way, even in the new law even if the minor is below 16, intercourse with a minor is not punished if the age difference does not exceed 5 years.
So, if she would be 14 while preparing for exam and sensei would be a 19 year old college student, there would be no punishment.

Can I just say that even back when Sun Yat-sen proposed to Kaoru when she was 13, her dad was still like "no, she's too young". That was at the turn of the 20th century. So this has been creepy in Japan for a while now laws or not.

 

[mijarena]

Can I just say that even back when Sun Yat-sen proposed to Kaoru when she was 13, her dad was still like "no, she's too young". That was at the turn of the 20th century. So this has been creepy in Japan for a while now laws or not.

Yes, I know. That's why I pointed out the difference in art and reality and that it needs time. I also pointed out some other cultural differences. How it is seen, how it is handled and so on.

 

[agonice]

The art style is so tuff <3

 

[wlftchtr82]

Can't wait for the "oh no, there's only one bed/futon left" scenario during the school trip.

 

[FoolTarot]

Manatsu get yo girrrrrrrrrrrrrl

 

[HoodedHero007]

But (given what we know now) it’s also possible we saw the full extent of their relationship, and the tutor ghosted her immediately after kissing her, realizing how inappropriate it was. In which case the flashback in chapter 4 was a comment about her being precocious more generally and not after Nagi admitted her crush.

While that's possible, it's incredibly unlikely, given the context of A) Nagi almost certainly having sexual experience prior to Manatsu, and B) The lack of any indication of a relationship in between the tutor and Manatsu. While both of those are circumstantial, I would be incredibly surprised if either of those turned out to not be the case.

 

[Orangechrisy]

That might be right, but that is a more practical discussion. This is about fictional stories and a different culture to look at it in real life and in fiction, as well as a different law system and a different (sadly) culture on sexualizing women and minors.

So, don't mix this up. We point out the overall law situation because of this. There are also manga, where different prefecture laws are pointed out, but till now, this is not the case here.

We also do not need to discuss, that from our point of view this is an absolute awful thing. But what you should consider the different viewpoints because of culture. Or better: our lack of understanding it all.

I'ma be real I don't understand your point. 13 was not the actual age of consent anywhere in Japan and hasn't been for some time, so it is irrelevant for the contents of like, any manga. Age gap relationships, predators, or anything else of the sort in manga is not the result of the Penal Code keeping the minimum age of consent at 13 for far longer than it should've since no where in Japan has that been the actual age of consent for quite a while, which is what it seemed like you were suggesting.

 

[ookkies]

amazing chapter.