S-Kyuu Boukensha ga Ayumu Michi: Tsuihou Sareta Shounen wa Shin no Nouryoku 'Buki Master' de Sekai Saikyou ni Itaru - Vol. 2 Ch. 7

[Joirish1495]

Spoiler

So bitch would rather have harem of shitty people than zero harem, got it.

Oh trust me my friend its not even the harem thats the worse part. Its the credit stealing

 

[Joirish1495]

How does the author not cave in to the backlash? Goddamn, the more I read the spoilers, the more I'm less incline to read the story. I'm hoping the manga changes it up for the better, but I'm having my doubts.

From what I can tell the author is partial to Sasha as a tragic heroine...which is why Hyce will never have a fair chance at a peaceful life or a proper apology

 

[Fuzaki]

Even Presea understands that he hasn't even tried.

 

[betetta]

I hope so too at the very least I hope Sasha get the

Spoiler

Jamie treatment from A-rank party

Spoiler: You mean...

joining the harem, making out and almost having drunken sex interrupted by her having to throw up?

 

[betetta]

What’s the difference between the WN and the manga for A-rank party?

Spoiler: Ok that aspect:

to summarize, Mc leaves his whole former party to die against the orcs after they attacked him, you could say he even tricks them since the scroll to escape the dungeon only works for allies and he didn't say that, then once outside he found out Jamie was on his side all along and went back for her, on the Manga and Anime jamie has a heroic moment of self sacrifice before being rescued by Mc, and also we get the goblin slayer moment that's only implied in the novel and censored in the Anime for obvious reasons.

 

[betetta]

Ok first of all, we can all feel righteously mad on behalf of MC, we all know how stupid and how much of a bitch Sasha was... And yet HE Is the one that forgives her somewhat, was he forced, charmed, cursed or something?

The trope of forgive and forget is rampant in those stories, but it's most of the times MCs fault, including this one, what's stopping him from telling her to go to hell again if things are pretty much the same?

Otherwise if he's about to get his cake and eat it too, good for him

In the meantime I'll keep waiting for the Robin/Presea spin off we should be getting instead

 

[NotTako001]

Spoiler: You mean...

joining the harem, making out and almost having drunken sex interrupted by her having to throw up?

lol, honestly I just want Sasha to admit all her wrong doing before join the harem

 

[TestAddress]

There should be a tag called "irredeemable gal" or "Author's Bitch. "

 

[NotTako001]

we get the goblin slayer moment

Sasha, Reynold and les saint need this treatment

 

[Someone011]

I agree with all the rest but this one is unfair IMO.

Saying that she should have went there and checked if the region was safe would be like if she treated him like a child or at least not even an adventurer able to gather herbs by himself. Was she also supposed to gather the herbs and left them in a neat gift package for him?
Like you said, the Guild knew that there was a dragon that recently settled in the area. The Guild should have put a giant notice on the board saying that people should avoid this region until the dragon had been taken care of or left. I 100% put the blame on the Guild for not making the info public, not on Sacha for not guessing that a region that used to be safe had suddenly become dangerous.

Sorry but, no your reasoning is flawed.

Sacha didn't even deem him capable to be their porter, and knew he was very weak when it came to combat, AND treated him like a child when she kicked him out of the party. She could have had a mature conversation with him, and explain that she's worried about his safety. Instead she outright called him a burden that will keep dragging the team down and solely expressed her concern for how Hyce presence will put their potential A rank at risk.


Now onto the herb gathering place.
When Sacred learned of the "perfect place" to gather valuable white clover herbs, not even one of them bother to think "hey, if that place is such a herb gathering gold mine full of white clover flowers, then why has nobody went there to gather said herbs and make a killing? Maybe we should scout/ask around about it.".
plus the fact that nobody has gone there to claim those valuable herbs means that people asked and learned it was a dangerous place, most likely from the guild itself.
And let's not forget that even the guild receptionist knew of the issue, then I doubt they had the information hidden.


now on the guild itself and if it has a "responsibility".
It's not the guild's responsibility to bar access to anyone nor play the role of the guardian, their job is to act as a hub/mediator for quests/requests, and assist adventurers with any info requested about said quests.
All the could do is not post gathering quests regarding that place.

What happened is that Sacha and Co, were away from the city on some quest(most likely in the nation of Dizara in which direction the wetlands Hyce was attacked by the dragon were), and heard the info there then passed it down to Hyce without investigating properly, or asking the Guild. So, no I still say that the sole responsibility falls on Sacha and her company for not doing their due diligence when gathering information.

 

[Niviik]

Sorry but, no your reasoning is flawed.

Sacha didn't even deem him capable to be their porter, and knew he was very weak when it came to combat, AND treated him like a child when she kicked him out of the party. She could have had a mature conversation with him, and explain that she's worried about his safety. Instead she outright called him a burden that will keep dragging the team down and solely expressed her concern for how Hyce presence will put their potential A rank at risk.


Now onto the herb gathering place.
When Sacred learned of the "perfect place" to gather valuable white clover herbs, not even one of them bother to think "hey, if that place is such a herb gathering gold mine full of white clover flowers, then why has nobody went there to gather said herbs and make a killing? Maybe we should scout/ask around about it.".
plus the fact that nobody has gone there to claim those valuable herbs means that people asked and learned it was a dangerous place, most likely from the guild itself.
And let's not forget that even the guild receptionist knew of the issue, then I doubt they had the information hidden.


now on the guild itself and if it has a "responsibility".
It's not the guild's responsibility to bar access to anyone nor play the role of the guardian, their job is to act as a hub/mediator for quests/requests, and assist adventurers with any info requested about said quests.
All the could do is not post gathering quests regarding that place.

What happened is that Sacha and Co, were away from the city on some quest(most likely in the nation of Dizara in which direction the wetlands Hyce was attacked by the dragon were), and heard the info there then passed it down to Hyce without investigating properly, or asking the Guild. So, no I still say that the sole responsibility falls on Sacha and her company for not doing their due diligence when gathering information.

1) She kicked him out of the team out of concern for his safety because their team was going to dangerous places with monsters he couldn't do anything against. She communicated it in the most stupid way possible to make herself look like the bad guy to make him give up being an adventurer. He didn not give up beign an adenturer, but he stuck to the only quest he was strong enough to do alone : go to safe places gather herbs. like I said, it doesn't matter if the ennemy is a dragon or a couple goblins, he would be in mortal danger. Assuming that she had a reason to think that there would be any monster means that she wanted him dead. And no matter you look at it, no matter stupid she behaved, it is wrong.

2) The gold mine part. This was a gold mine only for adventurers who are only gathering herbs. She never said that he was going to get filthy rich just by going there gathering those herbs, alse like you said, other adventurers would go there. But they can take more dangerous quests that pay more than that.

3) The responsibility of the Guild. You're straight up in bad faith here. The reason to exist of the "Guild of adventurers" in every fantasy settings is to gather informations usefull to adventurers and spread those informations. It is properly hilarious to see people giving shit to Sasha for not guessing that there was a dragon there, but everybody (especially MC) is fine with the organisation that exists to gather and spread those informations, had the information, but somehow decided to keep it secret.

Am I really out of touch with reality to assume that if a region was suddenly nesting a dragon, the people who know about it would put a sign next to the road with written in big capital red "DRAGON AHEAD TURN BACK" ? Not only for adventurers but also for travellers and merchants. So it doesnt matter if it is not the Guild, it should be the local governement, but those who have the information but somehow decided that they'll just wait for people to aske them if there is a danger there are definitely more responsible.

Like I said, there are enough things that Sasha made the worst way possible without twisting things to make her responsible for not knowing that there was a dragon here while the organisation that should give the information had the information and kept it secret.

 

[Niviik]

now on the guild itself and if it has a "responsibility".
It's not the guild's responsibility to bar access to anyone nor play the role of the guardian, their job is to act as a hub/mediator for quests/requests, and assist adventurers with any info requested about said quests.
All the could do is not post gathering quests regarding that place.

What happened is that Sacha and Co, were away from the city on some quest(most likely in the nation of Dizara in which direction the wetlands Hyce was attacked by the dragon were), and heard the info there then passed it down to Hyce without investigating properly, or asking the Guild. So, no I still say that the sole responsibility falls on Sacha and her company for not doing their due diligence when gathering information.

Imagine now that the region was inhabitated by packs of minotaurs that require a C-rank party to be taken care of. Sasha would obviously not have send Haise there because he would have been killed. But there are extermination requests for C-rank adventurers, and merchants, travelers, courriers, apothecaries,... who hire C-rank adventurers to go there or through the region.
A dragon settles there, the Guild knows about it but doesn't say anything to anyone. Merchants, travellers, apothecaries and adventurers get killed.

And the Guild Master of the adventurer's guild gives the same argument as everybody in this thread : "You had to ask if you wanted to know if there was a dragon there." Are you saying that it was the merchant's fault or the adventurer's Guild? Or are you saying that it would be Sasha's fault anyway? LOL

Do you see how stupid your argument is? If they have the information about a great danger but kept it secret, they are responsible for any accident there. It is a miracle (or plot armor) that Haise has been the only person injured or killed. But there is no excuse for the Guild not warning people that a dragon appeared in the region. And if the story had the tiniest bit of common sense, the Guild master should have been fired for that.

 

[Someone011]

Imagine now that the region was inhabitated by packs of minotaurs that require a C-rank party to be taken care of. Sasha would obviously not have send Haise there because he would have been killed. But there are extermination requests for C-rank adventurers, and merchants, travelers, courriers, apothecaries,... who hire C-rank adventurers to go there or through the region.
A dragon settles there, the Guild knows about it but doesn't say anything to anyone. Merchants, travellers, apothecaries and adventurers get killed.

And the Guild Master of the adventurer's guild gives the same argument as everybody in this thread : "You had to ask if you wanted to know if there was a dragon there." Are you saying that it was the merchant's fault or the adventurer's Guild? Or are you saying that it would be Sasha's fault anyway? LOL

Do you see how stupid your argument is? If they have the information about a great danger but kept it secret, they are responsible for any accident there. It is a miracle (or plot armor) that Haise has been the only person injured or killed. But there is no excuse for the Guild not warning people that a dragon appeared in the region. And if the story had the tiniest bit of common sense, the Guild master should have been fired for that.

Are you daft or what?
You assume that the guild dropped the ball, and that's a stupid assumption, then you went in a tirade of reasons of how bad the guild is, and how the flowers were not really that valuable because reasons but the fact that no adventurers were there was proof none knew about the dragon. And trying to make Shasa be the innocent here, when moments before meeting hyce to give him the herb info, SHE WAS TALKING TO THE GUILD MASTER!

Now, I'll show you why your argument is the one that's not only stupid but also one you chose to make completely uninformed.
First as I pointed out, people are not going there to gather herbs,(and even Hyce says that those are very valuable, not only to a herb gatherer like himself, but also to other adventurers who can make the trek on their way to other adventurers). ergo the guild had spread out information about the dragon.

Now to further substantiate why you are wrong about the guild and Shasa both, in the Novel, it is stated that Sasha's met Hyce after first talking to the guild leader to report on a quest they made in Ohara Kingdom, and even then Sasha idiotically doesn't ask about the info for the herb gathering place she got on the way back from her quest. Then she meets Hyce and gives him the info.
Now a few days later when Hyce had left and they meet yet again with the guild leader and inform him of the info they gave Hyce the scene and his words are.
(rough translation from Japanese text)
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Geist's face changed color.

"Are you sure?"

"Huh? Uh, yeah... I only peeked from the carriage, but that was definitely a 'White Clover Flower'."

"...Haise, did he go to gather medicinal herbs?"

"Y-yes..."

"───!"

Geist stood up.

His expression stiffens and he holds his face.

"Right, you guys were in the Ohara Kingdom... Shit, this isn't good."

"Um, um... Guild Master? What's wrong?! Guild Master, Guild Master!!"
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That shows that the dragon was rather common knowledge, and that it was 100% Shasa's and co fault, and Hyce almost getting killed, could have been avoided if Shasa had simply asked the Guild leader (or any guild member, or heck any adventurer in the guild that was not away on a quest like they were) about the damn herb location.

 

[Niviik]

Are you daft or what?
You assume that the guild dropped the ball, and that's a stupid assumption, then you went in a tirade of reasons of how bad the guild is, and how the flowers were not really that valuable because reasons but the fact that no adventurers were there was proof none knew about the dragon. And trying to make Shasa be the innocent here, when moments before meeting hyce to give him the herb info, SHE WAS TALKING TO THE GUILD MASTER!

Now, I'll show you why your argument is the one that's not only stupid but also one you chose to make completely uninformed.
First as I pointed out, people are not going there to gather herbs,(and even Hyce says that those are very valuable, not only to a herb gatherer like himself, but also to other adventurers who can make the trek on their way to other adventurers). ergo the guild had spread out information about the dragon.

Now to further substantiate why you are wrong about the guild and Shasa both, in the Novel, it is stated that Sasha's met Hyce after first talking to the guild leader to report on a quest they made in Ohara Kingdom, and even then Sasha idiotically doesn't ask about the info for the herb gathering place she got on the way back from her quest. Then she meets Hyce and gives him the info.
Now a few days later when Hyce had left and they meet yet again with the guild leader and inform him of the info they gave Hyce the scene and his words are.
(rough translation from Japanese text)
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Geist's face changed color.

"Are you sure?"

"Huh? Uh, yeah... I only peeked from the carriage, but that was definitely a 'White Clover Flower'."

"...Haise, did he go to gather medicinal herbs?"

"Y-yes..."

"───!"

Geist stood up.

His expression stiffens and he holds his face.

"Right, you guys were in the Ohara Kingdom... Shit, this isn't good."

"Um, um... Guild Master? What's wrong?! Guild Master, Guild Master!!"
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That shows that the dragon was rather common knowledge, and that it was 100% Shasa's and co fault, and Hyce almost getting killed, could have been avoided if Shasa had simply asked the Guild leader (or any guild member, or heck any adventurer in the guild that was not away on a quest like they were) about the damn herb location.

Facepalm... And Hyce almost getting killed would have been avoided if HE knew that there was a dragon there.

If it was common knowledge, then how come Hyce wasn't aware of it? He was there but he didn't know about the dragon, so there is no sign that the Guild did give the info. Or are you saying that they gave the info to everybody except Hyce?

Again, why wasn't there a post next to the road signaling that there was a dragon in the region? Something that both Sasha or Hyce would have seen. How difficult is that?

Why wasn't there a big note on the info pannel saying to avoid the region? You know, something that Sasha and her party would have seen when they came back, something to clearly give the information to the people who might be concerned without them having to guess that they have to ask for the info they don't know they need?

If the info was clearly given, like you pretend, Hyce would have known about it and Sasha wouldn't have had to ask for it.
Seriously, saying that Sasha is responsible for not having the info because she didn't ask is a bad joke.

 

[vandalbear]

No you are pretty spot on. Also why i dropped the novel as well.

Spoiler: Later on

It turns into a harem with a designated winner (sasha). She is completely forgiven and they start to work towards the dungeon in the demon continent when another friend of theirs gets kidnapped (again). Hyce pretty much turns into a tsundere dumbass

Thankyou, imma dropping this cold right now. God fucking damn it! Why cant we have an edgelord who stays edgelord? Arifureta, Talker, and Failure Frame's are the only ones I know of.