Seventh - Vol. 4 Ch. 19 - Confession

[cesar024]

Well, Lyle has his reason from Novel.

Spoiler: Lyle childhood

He was literally a child. 10 years of his age already erased. He basically baby who grow too fast. His mental already poorly groomed into rejected kid.

But this manga is really too slow.

I may forgot but how he lost 10 years ?

 

[3inz]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[DracoKazenare]

I'm glad we get the fight that awakens them both-
But I'm on Sophia's side. Lyle  is way too much of a doormat. Doesn't matter if they need an alliance with those alongside Dale - he needed to knock a tooth loose, or something.

He can be compassionate, but his softness and aversion to standing up for himself will only cause problems later on.

"speak softly and carry a big stick", after all. You have to prove you can deliver on the passive promise of power or else you're going to be walked all over, like he has been for awhile.

I get what you mean but trauma really really fucks up your brain. People you think are being "soft" or "doormats" are just incapable of or severely struggle with standing up for themselves. It's easier to defend others than yourself because you grew up being put down constantly. He lacks self respect and that's not HIS fault, it's literally the fault of his sister.

 

[keane6t4]

the pacing is like all over the place. first we got the usual annoying male motherfucker shitting on a "friend" because he blindly believes dumb rumors and thinks characters are "forcing" themselves when they genuinely try to explain what's going on and defend the mc and then both chicks awaken their powers after a couple blows and a few lines of dialogue.
almost seems like they're trying to make up lost ground for all the chapters wasted on the stupid and especially empty banter of the ancestors early on.

that's why is the "super saiyan bargain Sale" just now, to catch up on the plot~~

Is it ignoring how the last chapter ended?

This is exactly what happens when a story is about to get axed.

Well, Lyle has his reason from Novel.

Spoiler: Lyle childhood

He was literally a child. 10 years of his age already erased. He basically baby who grow too fast. His mental already poorly groomed into rejected kid.

But this manga is really too slow.

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Idgaf about his horrible past, or anything. It's been 2 years of this manga, 2 years. And there has been ZERO character growth for this absolute loser. He's a joke from start to end. Everyone has a horrible opinion of him, everyone abuses him, everyone just runs rough shod over him. And there's folks who claim "he has grown and improved" when he's basically the same character wise as chapter 1. No girl would be with this guy if she had any choice whatsoever.

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I get what you mean but trauma really really fucks up your brain. People you think are being "soft" or "doormats" are just incapable of or severely struggle with standing up for themselves. It's easier to defend others than yourself because you grew up being put down constantly. He lacks self respect and that's not HIS fault, it's literally the fault of his sister.

You're correct that trauma will fuck a person up, yes. But even at that point - as someone of his standing, with the goals he has, and the six predecessors in his head who are feeding him their combined experience and ego - he needs to learn to actually grow a spine.

Maybe it's the pacing of it, or something, that's the issue. But even if in this moment it's understandable that he might lay down and take the insults and do nothing to defend himself, it's a clear indicator that such behavior needs to have a expiration date, and the sooner the better.

The more he lets the world walk over him, and the more he just stands there and makes no effort to even try to change himself for the better, the greater the chance he'll just lose all over again to his sister - and it won't be just him that suffers, this time, now that he's wrapping others up in his problems.

Which is my greater point. I can excuse a conditioned lack of self-worth, but the amount of time this series has been running, versus the clear incongruent amount of in-story time we've gotten, makes it feel like he should be further along on his "self-improvement journey" than he actually is, creating this dissonance of where he seemingly should be, and where he actually is.
That, coupled with what he's already accomplished, makes him sorta come across as that sort of spineless MC that is often portrayed in series, without any of the argument of a horrific childhood to justify it.
All that to say - he needs to stop with it quick, if only for the sake of those he now cares about it.

 

[TenThousandWaspsInACoat]

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

Even if it was monthly, it's 19 chapters. It would be 19 months, almost as long.

Seriously, the progress is glacial and he's still the same stupidly grinning loser who'd bend over if someone asked him to. And people using abuse as an excuse. Great, a story with someone who doesn't grow, overcome it, or fucking grows a spine isn't interesting.

@UdenEmpati At this point, I honestly doubt he'll change. This is who he is, a doormat. Even when he can and does fight, he never actually demands the respect and acknowledgement he's due. Instead he allows folks to insult, slander, attack, and berate him. And then apologizes for it. He's the typical shounen MC given a paper thin excuse of "past trauma".

 

[keane6t4]

Even if it was monthly, it's 19 chapters. It would be 19 months, almost as long.

Seriously, the progress is glacial and he's still the same stupidly grinning loser who'd bend over if someone asked him to. And people using abuse as an excuse. Great, a story with someone who doesn't grow, overcome it, or fucking grows a spine isn't interesting.

@UdenEmpati At this point, I honestly doubt he'll change. This is who he is, a doormat. Even when he can and does fight, he never actually demands the respect and acknowledgement he's due. Instead he allows folks to insult, slander, attack, and berate him. And then apologizes for it. He's the typical shounen MC given a paper thin excuse of "past trauma".

I'm not saying we shouldn't be farther along I was just defending the pace of the story in context of the released chapters. The mangaka themselves is a different problem altogether, if we got the chapters monthly without so many breaks we'd be around chapter 29

 

[jak]

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

I meant the ending where that guy was going to force Aria into marriage, but then all of sudden it skipped it.

 

[DemonHide]

The secret to uncovering their hidden arts all along was desecrating several pounds of farmer's market produce!

 

[keane6t4]

The secret to uncovering their hidden arts all along was desecrating several pounds of farmer's market produce!

https://imgur.com/diQ1TKj

 

[Galder]

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

if all that unnecessary blather with the ancestors was also in the novel, then no, this shit doesn't even work for novels cause it's unnecessary and doesn't bring anything to the table and doesn't even have anything to do with the plot. this feels like fucking bethesda writing at times.

 

[Grimmycoffee]

That last page goes a bit past suggestive...

Yeah, those bookwalkers text are just way too explicit lol

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

Huh, I never think about that part about pacing for light novel vs per chapter manga.

You're correct that trauma will fuck a person up, yes. But even at that point - as someone of his standing, with the goals he has, and the six predecessors in his head who are feeding him their combined experience and ego - he needs to learn to actually grow a spine.

Tbf, most of those predecessors start as nagging at best and abusive at worst. The number of girls make it feel longer than that, but I'm pretty sure he has only won one "boss type" enemy. In Naruto language, this is only after Zabuza at best.

 

[Greedygreen]

Were there some missing pages or a missing chapter? Cause the way previous chapter ended and the way this one began are very confusing.

 

[miau_the_original]

By the way, what the hell is an art? they have been mentioning it from the start but didn't explain? or have i forgotten it?

 

[TNT261]

I think I lost braincells on this one. Umm, what? I agree with everyone that Sophia is right. Lyle just standing there taking the abuse wasn't just humility, it was insulting to the people that have put their faith in him. Dale wasn't just slandering Lyle; he was attacking the relationship all the girls had with him and attacking the faith they've put in him. It's not even about pride. Basic human decency demands that you don't put up with lies like that or take some stance. This isn't even anything that difficult to refute. All the girls are with him of their own free will and he's clearly not a bad guy.

But even past that, this turning into a cat fight was just dumb. Sophia got mad that Dale was insulting Lyle and Lyle just took it... but Aria was mad that... Sophia doesn't want Lyle insulted? Aria herself was trying to stop the slander. She clearly didn't like it either. WHO WOULD?? Her reasoning was nonsensical too. Lyle had a bad childhood, so we need to... let him get insulted now? Like... no. There's not a person in that group which should be against Lyle taking pride in 1) their relationship and 2) his accomplishments and let's throw in 3) his strength of character. If they all like him because he's a good person, then they should all want that to be made clear to whatever other party says otherwise. What's there to be mad about from what Sophia said? What makes the most sense is that Aria and Sophia both have their own pent up frustration about being the two new girlies and being the most useless members of the party. But this feels so weirdly shoved in. Just take Dale berating Lyle out entirely and have one of the characters initiate the fight. If that's going to be the focus then make it the focus.

 

[simmonsdon]

By the way, what the hell is an art? they have been mentioning it from the start but didn't explain? or have i forgotten it?

I don't think it was ever fully explained by itself but it's just a unique ability people have

I think I lost braincells on this one. Umm, what? I agree with everyone that Sophia is right. Lyle just standing there taking the abuse wasn't just humility, it was insulting to the people that have put their faith in him. Dale wasn't just slandering Lyle; he was attacking the relationship all the girls had with him and attacking the faith they've put in him. It's not even about pride. Basic human decency demands that you don't put up with lies like that or take some stance. This isn't even anything that difficult to refute. All the girls are with him of their own free will and he's clearly not a bad guy.

But even past that, this turning into a cat fight was just dumb. Sophia got mad that Dale was insulting Lyle and Lyle just took it... but Aria was mad that... Sophia doesn't want Lyle insulted? Aria herself was trying to stop the slander. She clearly didn't like it either. WHO WOULD?? Her reasoning was nonsensical too. Lyle had a bad childhood, so we need to... let him get insulted now? Like... no. There's not a person in that group which should be against Lyle taking pride in 1) their relationship and 2) his accomplishments and let's throw in 3) his strength of character. If they all like him because he's a good person, then they should all want that to be made clear to whatever other party says otherwise. What's there to be mad about from what Sophia said? What makes the most sense is that Aria and Sophia both have their own pent up frustration about being the two new girlies and being the most useless members of the party. But this feels so weirdly shoved in. Just take Dale berating Lyle out entirely and have one of the characters initiate the fight. If that's going to be the focus then make it the focus.

The fight between Sophia and Aria wasn't really about Dale he was just the first domino that finally brought their real beef with eachother to the surface.

Sophia's outburst at Lyle came from a personal place since she had to silently watch her family die while hiding. Making herself believe she was consenting to it by doing nothing to try and stop it. Seeing Lyle passively take random unwarranted abuse touched on that that trauma and contributed to her anger.

Aria's initial target was Dale but she pivoted to going after Sophia instead because she already had unresolved issues that tilted the scales of her anger towards Sophia. At that moment Dale was irrelevant to them and the topic changed to Lyle's behavior. Then while they argued about Lyle it highlights the things they don't like about eachother and the conversation shifts to them openly admitting they don't like each other before it escalates into a full blown fight, which is why Zelphy approves of them fighting to get it out of their system and help them move past their differences.

Were there some missing pages or a missing chapter? Cause the way previous chapter ended and the way this one began are very confusing.

I meant the ending where that guy was going to force Aria into marriage, but then all of sudden it skipped it.

This is exactly what happens when a story is about to get axed.

the pacing is like all over the place. first we got the usual annoying male motherfucker shitting on a "friend" because he blindly believes dumb rumors and thinks characters are "forcing" themselves when they genuinely try to explain what's going on and defend the mc and then both chicks awaken their powers after a couple blows and a few lines of dialogue.
almost seems like they're trying to make up lost ground for all the chapters wasted on the stupid and especially empty banter of the ancestors early on.

That's just how this author writes. Chapters work like scene changes in a play. We went from Aria's proposal straight to the next morning, with Dale confronting Lyle the moment he arrived.
Reading his other books, I've noticed this pattern. When he wants to write drama, he cuts the downtime to keep tension at its peak from the reader's perspective. Then he fills in the gaps through conversation in the climax to keep the ball moving.

In this case, the author wanted us to jump straight to Dale exploding at Lyle, while we're left to infer what happened off-screen. Aria probably turned him down, Novem stepped in and explained their relationship with Lyle, and asked the two to leave. That explanation would've pissed Dale off and explain how he knows so much about them now. He'd hold onto that anger all night, waiting for the second Lyle returned so he could attack the person he sees as the real problem since he interprits Aria and Novem as victims to be saved.
Giving the reader insight into Dale as a person letting us see that he's a naive idiot who blindly believes any lie he hears and doesn't have his priorities straight, completely ignoring the good news he desperately called for help to recieve.

Theres nothing missing from the original book if anything the manga added a scene since in the novel it just jumps from the proposal to Aria and Sophia's fight without letting us see Dale yell at Lyle only mentioning it happened during the fight.

It can be jarring at first, but once I noticed this pattern, it helped me follow what the author was doing when abrupt changes like this happened.

 

[Strela]

This is exactly what happens when a story is about to get axed.

Please no, best girl isn't here yet

 

[Strela]

By the way, what the hell is an art? they have been mentioning it from the start but didn't explain? or have i forgotten it?

To put it simply, a skill

 

[miau_the_original]

To put it simply, a skill

But people already use mana whitout arts