Seventh - Vol. 4 Ch. 19 - Confession

[cesar024]

Well, Lyle has his reason from Novel.

Spoiler: Lyle childhood

He was literally a child. 10 years of his age already erased. He basically baby who grow too fast. His mental already poorly groomed into rejected kid.

But this manga is really too slow.

I may forgot but how he lost 10 years ?

 

[3inz]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[DracoKazenare]

I'm glad we get the fight that awakens them both-
But I'm on Sophia's side. Lyle  is way too much of a doormat. Doesn't matter if they need an alliance with those alongside Dale - he needed to knock a tooth loose, or something.

He can be compassionate, but his softness and aversion to standing up for himself will only cause problems later on.

"speak softly and carry a big stick", after all. You have to prove you can deliver on the passive promise of power or else you're going to be walked all over, like he has been for awhile.

I get what you mean but trauma really really fucks up your brain. People you think are being "soft" or "doormats" are just incapable of or severely struggle with standing up for themselves. It's easier to defend others than yourself because you grew up being put down constantly. He lacks self respect and that's not HIS fault, it's literally the fault of his sister.

 

[keane6t4]

the pacing is like all over the place. first we got the usual annoying male motherfucker shitting on a "friend" because he blindly believes dumb rumors and thinks characters are "forcing" themselves when they genuinely try to explain what's going on and defend the mc and then both chicks awaken their powers after a couple blows and a few lines of dialogue.
almost seems like they're trying to make up lost ground for all the chapters wasted on the stupid and especially empty banter of the ancestors early on.

that's why is the "super saiyan bargain Sale" just now, to catch up on the plot~~

Is it ignoring how the last chapter ended?

This is exactly what happens when a story is about to get axed.

Well, Lyle has his reason from Novel.

Spoiler: Lyle childhood

He was literally a child. 10 years of his age already erased. He basically baby who grow too fast. His mental already poorly groomed into rejected kid.

But this manga is really too slow.

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Idgaf about his horrible past, or anything. It's been 2 years of this manga, 2 years. And there has been ZERO character growth for this absolute loser. He's a joke from start to end. Everyone has a horrible opinion of him, everyone abuses him, everyone just runs rough shod over him. And there's folks who claim "he has grown and improved" when he's basically the same character wise as chapter 1. No girl would be with this guy if she had any choice whatsoever.

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I get what you mean but trauma really really fucks up your brain. People you think are being "soft" or "doormats" are just incapable of or severely struggle with standing up for themselves. It's easier to defend others than yourself because you grew up being put down constantly. He lacks self respect and that's not HIS fault, it's literally the fault of his sister.

You're correct that trauma will fuck a person up, yes. But even at that point - as someone of his standing, with the goals he has, and the six predecessors in his head who are feeding him their combined experience and ego - he needs to learn to actually grow a spine.

Maybe it's the pacing of it, or something, that's the issue. But even if in this moment it's understandable that he might lay down and take the insults and do nothing to defend himself, it's a clear indicator that such behavior needs to have a expiration date, and the sooner the better.

The more he lets the world walk over him, and the more he just stands there and makes no effort to even try to change himself for the better, the greater the chance he'll just lose all over again to his sister - and it won't be just him that suffers, this time, now that he's wrapping others up in his problems.

Which is my greater point. I can excuse a conditioned lack of self-worth, but the amount of time this series has been running, versus the clear incongruent amount of in-story time we've gotten, makes it feel like he should be further along on his "self-improvement journey" than he actually is, creating this dissonance of where he seemingly should be, and where he actually is.
That, coupled with what he's already accomplished, makes him sorta come across as that sort of spineless MC that is often portrayed in series, without any of the argument of a horrific childhood to justify it.
All that to say - he needs to stop with it quick, if only for the sake of those he now cares about it.

 

[TenThousandWaspsInACoat]

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

Even if it was monthly, it's 19 chapters. It would be 19 months, almost as long.

Seriously, the progress is glacial and he's still the same stupidly grinning loser who'd bend over if someone asked him to. And people using abuse as an excuse. Great, a story with someone who doesn't grow, overcome it, or fucking grows a spine isn't interesting.

@UdenEmpati At this point, I honestly doubt he'll change. This is who he is, a doormat. Even when he can and does fight, he never actually demands the respect and acknowledgement he's due. Instead he allows folks to insult, slander, attack, and berate him. And then apologizes for it. He's the typical shounen MC given a paper thin excuse of "past trauma".

 

[keane6t4]

Even if it was monthly, it's 19 chapters. It would be 19 months, almost as long.

Seriously, the progress is glacial and he's still the same stupidly grinning loser who'd bend over if someone asked him to. And people using abuse as an excuse. Great, a story with someone who doesn't grow, overcome it, or fucking grows a spine isn't interesting.

@UdenEmpati At this point, I honestly doubt he'll change. This is who he is, a doormat. Even when he can and does fight, he never actually demands the respect and acknowledgement he's due. Instead he allows folks to insult, slander, attack, and berate him. And then apologizes for it. He's the typical shounen MC given a paper thin excuse of "past trauma".

I'm not saying we shouldn't be farther along I was just defending the pace of the story in context of the released chapters. The mangaka themselves is a different problem altogether, if we got the chapters monthly without so many breaks we'd be around chapter 29

 

[jak]

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

I meant the ending where that guy was going to force Aria into marriage, but then all of sudden it skipped it.

 

[DemonHide]

The secret to uncovering their hidden arts all along was desecrating several pounds of farmer's market produce!

 

[keane6t4]

The secret to uncovering their hidden arts all along was desecrating several pounds of farmer's market produce!

https://imgur.com/diQ1TKj

 

[Galder]

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

if all that unnecessary blather with the ancestors was also in the novel, then no, this shit doesn't even work for novels cause it's unnecessary and doesn't bring anything to the table and doesn't even have anything to do with the plot. this feels like fucking bethesda writing at times.

 

[Grimmycoffee]

That last page goes a bit past suggestive...

Yeah, those bookwalkers text are just way too explicit lol

This is actually how it happens in the light novel. It even shows more here than the novel since in the book we don't actually see dale explode on Lyle we only hear about it as the catalyst for the fight. The pacing in the original book is actually pretty fast but the monthly releases make it seem slow

Seventh suffers from the same issue as alot of light novel adaptations. The pacing that works for a novel doesn't translate well to a manga if it isn't written with the idea of an adaptation in mind.
The chapters in this novel weren't written around the idea of them being released monthly. The web novel updated daily and in a light novel, the writer can take their time because the reader has a full story arc in their hands each volume.

Huh, I never think about that part about pacing for light novel vs per chapter manga.

You're correct that trauma will fuck a person up, yes. But even at that point - as someone of his standing, with the goals he has, and the six predecessors in his head who are feeding him their combined experience and ego - he needs to learn to actually grow a spine.

Tbf, most of those predecessors start as nagging at best and abusive at worst. The number of girls make it feel longer than that, but I'm pretty sure he has only won one "boss type" enemy. In Naruto language, this is only after Zabuza at best.