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Idc about the UK and I am not linking my argument to fictionnal characters.

It is totally banalized in Japan. For example this fucking author who wrote Act-age was not banned from publishing companies, so he worked on another serie after Act-age was cancelled. Also the company was actively protecting and supporting him.
Also, don't forget that they are not a lot of known case in Japan because they are so ashamed of it that they would rather commit seppuku that to look at their neighbors in their eyes, even when they are the victims.

Good to know that you don't trust BBC because the quote doesn't come from them but from the documentary that they are quoting in the article.
You talk as if in the west the same never happened, many public figures get caught being abusers, groomers and so on and their careers didn't end either

Not to mention USA goverment outright protecting the powerful elite of pedophiles to boot

Japan isn't doing anything any other country doesn't does so your arguments aren't really some kind of gotcha, honestly, if anything what is happening in the west lately is infinitely worse than whatever that happens in Japan

Your argument is particurlaly silly cause how many examples do you actually have of that? Act-age author, Rurouni Kenshin author, who else? Now why don't we list all the pedophile elite being protected by the USA goverment? Or all the priests that got protected by the church for decades?
 
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You know what you reminded me of? Conservatives in the USA, they love to cry and scream about democrats, lgbt or whatever being pedophiles, guess which side of the political spectrum is always having people arrested for pedophilia? Tip, it's not the democrats nor lgbt people :v
Lots of lgbts and democrats do that too though :questionblob:
 
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guess which side of the political spectrum is always having people arrested for pedophilia? Tip, it's not the democrats nor lgbt people :v
Not sure why you are trying to making this a Republican vs Democrat thing. You can easily find cases of this happening to Democrats and LQBT.
Two gay men who raped their adopted sons and pimped them out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_and_Zachary_Zulock
LGBT Democrat aiding the sexual exploitation of children at a daycare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacie-Marie_Laughton
NAMBLA was founded by a socialist gay rights activist.
And guess which political party King Pedo Epstein chiefly donated to? Tip, it wasn't the Republicans :v

Truth of the matter is that pedos will worm themselves into ANY positions that make them seem like upstanding member of society so it does not help by saying X group doesn't have pedos in them.
Still you are right that people who scream against fictional content loudly tend to do so to hide their own skeletons. Like Peter Bright (DrPizza on Twitter) who claimed that "anime is for pedos" but has since then been arrested for trying to solicit a minor.
 
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Good to know that you don't trust BBC because the quote doesn't come from them but from the documentary that they are quoting in the article.
BBC literally made the documentary. Really goes to show that you don't even read your own sources lmao.
 
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Your argument is particurlaly silly cause how many examples do you actually have of that? Act-age author, Rurouni Kenshin author, who else? Now why don't we list all the pedophile elite being protected by the USA goverment? Or all the priests that got protected by the church for decades?
ok :haa:

BBC literally made the documentary. Really goes to show that you don't even read your own sources lmao.
Didn't know a journalist working for BBC was BBC.
 
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You talk as if in the west the same never happened, many public figures get caught being abusers, groomers and so on and their careers didn't end either
I can only think of careers from powerful people that don't end after these kind of scandale.

I find Japan society (I am not saying it's the only society like that) very accommodating about this kind of problem.

That's why saying
At the very least Japan is still much better than most other countries when it comes to sex crimes.
is wrong for me.
 
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I like the conversation has devolved into people just arguing about who's a pedo; it's barely tangentially related to the original topic now.
It's the crux of the issue IMHO, because it's what that brat Neko clearly believes.
There wouldn't have been an uproar if Mangadex had just gone "We disagree with this, but are being forced to remove certain titles" and then followed by a list of the titles.

The admins of the website being openly against this kind of content is just going to lead into further censorship down the line so it need to be made clear that they aren't.

Didn't know a journalist working for BBC was BBC.
BBC is the one who hired the journalist to do the documentary, so yes, BBC made the documentary.

Also, what do you mean by "powerful people"? Popular mangaka are at about the level of Hollywood celebrities and plenty of Hollywood Celebrities have gotten away with this shit.
 
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There wouldn't have been an uproar if Mangadex had just gone "We disagree with this, but are being forced to remove certain titles" and then followed by a list of the titles.
Well, less of one, anyway. Mostly grumbling with a few throwing tantrums, and then it'd have mostly blown over until their next step towards corparatization and enshittification like Crunchyroll and Fakku before them.

But no, they tried to be sneaky and when someone noticed and called them out on it a woefully incompetent nepo-hire admin started making vague excuses and insulting the very people who enabled them to have a job in the first place (since namicomi certainly isn't drawing anyone here and will likely go bankrupt and collapse once they try and fail to go legit), angering the users and hastening the death of the site since they can't be trusted anymore.
 
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MangaDex is a UGC platform and upholds applicable law, including copyright law. This has always been the case, from removals like One Piece, Demon Slayer, and My Hero Academia earlier this decade, to the large removal in May 2025 and the thousands of removals since then. The company does not have data prior to April 2025, but anything since will be added to the Transparency Report in our Copyright Centre shortly: https://mangadex.org/copyright/transparency

Backfilling of the copyright take downs still hasn't happened.
Another reminder that this still has not happened.
 
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It's [arguing about who's a pedo] the crux of the issue IMHO
That's not the crux of the issue.

What happened is that MangaDex silently deleted (not made unavailable like with DMCA issues) some entries and was very bad in their communication surrounding it. People have been confused about the situation, concerned about the scope of what could be deleted and angry about the way this was uncovered, the way and timing of what was and wasn't communicated and the (perceived) hypocrisy of the given justifications. I.e. the crux of the issue is that there was a lack of transparency.

All of this could've been avoided if the mod team had this policy: if an entry is to be permanently deleted from the site, it should by default be announced by name and with a justification in a centrally available area at least 24 hours before deletion.

Let me break that down a bit:
  • "entry" -> a manga/manwa/manhua/etc entry that is searchable through the main site's search bar (so not individual chapters)
  • "permanently deleted" -> the action that makes an entry unable to be found on the site and removed from user lists and does not include chapters made unavailable due to DMCA (was already excluded by the above explanation, but is emphasized here as well)
  • "by default" -> if there are reasons why certain entries have to be removed immediately or have no inherent value (like joke entries), they should be considered exceptions to the rule
  • "with a justification" -> people need to know what they can expect from MangaDex, more on this later
  • "in a centrally available area" -> this doesn't have to be fancy; it can just be posts in an announcement thread where only the mod team can post. As long as it's easy to access, visible and can have notifications attached to it.
  • "at least 24 hours before deletion" -> while it's nice to give people the opportunity to download the chapter before it's deleted, the actual timeframe isn't the important part. What is important is having the mod team get into the habit of making the announcements before the action is done, instead of doing the action first and potentially taking a lot of time scrambling to come up with a suitable response to the users, or worse; making a poorly worded response that gets everyone into an uproar.
Any site is allowed to moderate itself however they want. So if MangaDex wants to delete entries arbitrarily, that is entirely their prerogative. The only problem with that is that people won't know what to expect from MangaDex.
If X is deleted, could Y also be deleted (when reported)?
Is this a list of arbitrary entries from legal? Then maybe we don't have to worry about entries getting deleted from user reports or individual mod actions.
Is this due to a particular rule being in effect? Then show people where the line is with entries that were deleted due to the rule and examples of entries that won't be deleted.

People can still disagree with (certain) entries being deleted and leave the site because of it, but leaving everything ambiguous like this has only lead to this discussion to prolong for way longer than it needed to be.

If you're insisting that this discussion is now what it is because of that one comment from EtherealNeko, then at the very least don't bother with logical arguments trying to debunk what she said. EtherealNeko already said that her statement was poorly worded, so the logical side of things has already been settled a long time ago. If you feel she hasn't done enough to properly apologize for it, then that's an emotional appeal you can insist on.
 
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That's not the crux of the issue.

What happened is that MangaDex silently deleted (not made unavailable like with DMCA issues) some entries and was very bad in their communication surrounding it. People have been confused about the situation, concerned about the scope of what could be deleted and angry about the way this was uncovered, the way and timing of what was and wasn't communicated and the (perceived) hypocrisy of the given justifications. I.e. the crux of the issue is that there was a lack of transparency.

All of this could've been avoided if the mod team had this policy: if an entry is to be permanently deleted from the site, it should by default be announced by name and with a justification in a centrally available area at least 24 hours before deletion.

Let me break that down a bit:
  • "entry" -> a manga/manwa/manhua/etc entry that is searchable through the main site's search bar (so not individual chapters)
  • "permanently deleted" -> the action that makes an entry unable to be found on the site and removed from user lists and does not include chapters made unavailable due to DMCA (was already excluded by the above explanation, but is emphasized here as well)
  • "by default" -> if there are reasons why certain entries have to be removed immediately or have no inherent value (like joke entries), they should be considered exceptions to the rule
  • "with a justification" -> people need to know what they can expect from MangaDex, more on this later
  • "in a centrally available area" -> this doesn't have to be fancy; it can just be posts in an announcement thread where only the mod team can post. As long as it's easy to access, visible and can have notifications attached to it.
  • "at least 24 hours before deletion" -> while it's nice to give people the opportunity to download the chapter before it's deleted, the actual timeframe isn't the important part. What is important is having the mod team get into the habit of making the announcements before the action is done, instead of doing the action first and potentially taking a lot of time scrambling to come up with a suitable response to the users, or worse; making a poorly worded response that gets everyone into an uproar.
Any site is allowed to moderate itself however they want. So if MangaDex wants to delete entries arbitrarily, that is entirely their prerogative. The only problem with that is that people won't know what to expect from MangaDex.
If X is deleted, could Y also be deleted (when reported)?
Is this a list of arbitrary entries from legal? Then maybe we don't have to worry about entries getting deleted from user reports or individual mod actions.
Is this due to a particular rule being in effect? Then show people where the line is with entries that were deleted due to the rule and examples of entries that won't be deleted.

People can still disagree with (certain) entries being deleted and leave the site because of it, but leaving everything ambiguous like this has only lead to this discussion to prolong for way longer than it needed to be.

If you're insisting that this discussion is now what it is because of that one comment from EtherealNeko, then at the very least don't bother with logical arguments trying to debunk what she said. EtherealNeko already said that her statement was poorly worded, so the logical side of things has already been settled a long time ago. If you feel she hasn't done enough to properly apologize for it, then that's an emotional appeal you can insist on.
There's a few points I'm not necessarily in agreement with, but overall I do think this captures the meat of the issue which is the shiftiness and dishonesty of the whole affair. It certainly would not have been nearly as big of an issue if they had been open about it and done something along the lines of what you suggest. I believe if they were to institute these measures immediately with retroactive cataloguing of past removals, that would be a very good first step.

In terms of the aforementioned points, though, while you can make the case that Mangadex has the right to moderate the site as they please, since it is their platform, I would argue it is not a right they have moral justification in using arbitrarily. Yes, of course, they do own the site itself, and they do provide the platform for people to use. However, that's just it - a platform. They do not produce their own content, they need the community of scanlators to produce and upload it, and the following of readers to engage with it in order to have a site functioning in the first place.

What this means is just as they have leeway to take action for the preservation of the site and the atmosphere, they have a duty to respect the users and content creators that keep it alive and helped to build it in the first place. For them to act in such shameful ways as they have has done a great disservice to this relationship, and especially considering the unilateral deletion of some of the site's founding titles.

Part of why this does matter is another aspect of the controversy which has not been addressed here, which is Mangadex's purported decision to register as a corporation in the UK with guile and no formal announcement or discussion about this, which has a great probability to be involved in their recent actions. This is indicates a major change in the nature of the site and the expected relationship between it, the users, and the scanlation community, and to move towards a corporate front stealthily is a betrayal of all of that.

In short, part of it is the lack of transparency about the takedowns, but the wider implications of the revelations of this thread must be addressed as well, and all of these actions are a breach of trust of the relationships which form Mangadex's foundations.

To that end, while increasing the openness and transparency about the takedown measures would be a great improvement over the madness they are engaging in at present, it is not enough.
 
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I would argue it is not a right they have moral justification in using arbitrarily.
I'm kinda tripping over the sentence there, but I think you're trying to say that you feel that MangaDex does not have the right to arbitrarily delete entries and has a moral obligation to its users (in particular the ones who contribute content to the platform) to be accountable for whenever they delete entries. Did I get that right? Correct me if I'm wrong. 😅

I can definitely understand where you're coming from, since a lot of scanlators work hard in their free time for the express purpose of producing content for the site and to have it deleted unilaterally without any satisfying justification can feel like a punch in the gut.

However I also can't deny that this is just the nature of platforms in general. We users are given the privilege of uploading content to a platform, so that it can be consumed by a lot of other users. If MangaDex, Youtube, Facebook, whatever deletes your content for any reason or no reason at all, then they are allowed to do that. Just like how users are also allowed to delete their content from the platform and post it elsewhere. Platforms have the right to set their own rules, regardless of whether that will lead to growth or ruin. Having a good relationship with the users is in their best interest in order to positively affect growth, but it's not a duty nor an obligation. Just like how MangaDex doesn't have the duty nor obligation to keep the site up forever, in order to keep all submitted content available forever. You and I might not like it, but I do think that's the reality of the matter.

You're also stressing that transparency isn't enough, but I'm not sure what else you're looking for. You mention a couple of times that the relationship and trust between MangaDex and its users is being broken. Improving the transparency is a way to attempt to mend that relationship and trust, but outside of just saying "MangaDex should just never delete any entries ever," I'm not sure what else you could be advocating for...
 
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I'm kinda tripping over the sentence there, but I think you're trying to say that you feel that MangaDex does not have the right to arbitrarily delete entries and has a moral obligation to its users (in particular the ones who contribute content to the platform) to be accountable for whenever they delete entries. Did I get that right? Correct me if I'm wrong. 😅

I can definitely understand where you're coming from, since a lot of scanlators work hard in their free time for the express purpose of producing content for the site and to have it deleted unilaterally without any satisfying justification can feel like a punch in the gut.

However I also can't deny that this is just the nature of platforms in general. We users are given the privilege of uploading content to a platform, so that it can be consumed by a lot of other users. If MangaDex, Youtube, Facebook, whatever deletes your content for any reason or no reason at all, then they are allowed to do that. Just like how users are also allowed to delete their content from the platform and post it elsewhere. Platforms have the right to set their own rules, regardless of whether that will lead to growth or ruin. Having a good relationship with the users is in their best interest in order to positively affect growth, but it's not a duty nor an obligation. Just like how MangaDex doesn't have the duty nor obligation to keep the site up forever, in order to keep all submitted content available forever. You and I might not like it, but I do think that's the reality of the matter.

You're also stressing that transparency isn't enough, but I'm not sure what else you're looking for. You mention a couple of times that the relationship and trust between MangaDex and its users is being broken. Improving the transparency is a way to attempt to mend that relationship and trust, but outside of just saying "MangaDex should just never delete any entries ever," I'm not sure what else you could be advocating for...
No, you are correct. They do not have a moral right to arbitrarily delete content, even if they are hosting the site, because they are a platform that hosts content from other people, and so they have a responsibility to treat the people they depend on with respect. If they were content creators themselves, then sure they can do whatever they want, but they are not. The fact is that they do not have a moral right to be arbitrary because of the nature of the site. They can establish clear guidelines for what they will and will not host on here, but they do not get to just delete anything on a whim whenever they feel like and not be the bad guy in so doing. They have a duty to be clear, impartial, and transparent, and by the semantic definition of what arbitrary means, they cannot be arbitrary and fulfill those criteria.

What I do mean, though, by transparency alone being insufficient, I mean that they are changing quite rapidly the nature of the platform itself, and they are doing so unilaterally while also completely lacking transparency in so doing. However, just that is insufficient. I will give an example to illustrate;

It's more courteous for someone to give you a heads-up before gutpunching you than to do it without warning, but even so, it's hardly something you can be happy about now can you?

How this relates to the situation is simple: they seem to be trying to completely change the nature of the site itself from what everyone expects from it by going corpo and trying to clean it up to look "legit". The fact they seem to be doing this sneakily is quite bad, but even if they were to do it openly, it would still be unacceptable because it's a complete u-turn on everything Mangadex has been up until now, of its userbase, and its content creators. This is something that would be completely unthinkable for the vast majority of all the site's community.

Can they do this? Sure, they own the site. But it's basically killing its nature and identity in so doing, and they'd lose a significant portion of their users in so doing, which is why they aren't being honest because they know it. So they boil the frog slowly instead.

It can't be said that this is a proper thing to do by any stretch. This is because, in practice, it would mean riding the wave of the efforts and labour of the scanlators to get big, and then throw them under the bus the moment they are no longer needed. It's betraying people's expectations and trust for your own gain.

All of what they've been doing for a long time now seems to indicate a pattern of intent towards going this direction, to "legitimizing" the site, and in practice, this is what it entails. It will start with deleting a few titles, and then more, until it's been repackaged into something it isn't, and wasn't ever meant to be.

No amount of transparency about this would make it okay. It would be much better that way than the skullduggery of the present, but that's like calling a compound fracture of the collarbone an improvement over a quadruple amputation. What they need to do is some real introspection and return the devotion and affection their community has given them in kind, and remember what got them here in the first place.

It's not about keeping 100% of the content up forever. The removal of material is more about what it shows about how things have changed and where it's heading. Especially nowadays, when all artistic media is under siege.
 
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Lots of lgbts and democrats do that too though :questionblob:
Oh, when exactly did democrats and lgbt people start accusing conservatives of being pedophiles? Cause I never saw it, the opposite you sure sees a lot, many politicians and activists do that quite a lot, regular people too
Not sure why you are trying to making this a Republican vs Democrat thing. You can easily find cases of this happening to Democrats and LQBT.
Two gay men who raped their adopted sons and pimped them out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_and_Zachary_Zulock
LGBT Democrat aiding the sexual exploitation of children at a daycare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacie-Marie_Laughton
NAMBLA was founded by a socialist gay rights activist.
And guess which political party King Pedo Epstein chiefly donated to? Tip, it wasn't the Republicans :v

Truth of the matter is that pedos will worm themselves into ANY positions that make them seem like upstanding member of society so it does not help by saying X group doesn't have pedos in them.
Still you are right that people who scream against fictional content loudly tend to do so to hide their own skeletons. Like Peter Bright (DrPizza on Twitter) who claimed that "anime is for pedos" but has since then been arrested for trying to solicit a minor.
Simply pointing out that the side who keeps accusing others of being pedophiles is generally the one that have the most people caught for it

At no monent I said there's no pedos on the left side, only pointing out that only one sides keeps accusing the other of it and gets caught for that

Epstein most likely donated / helped anyone he could to keep his power, so saying he donanted for democrats isn't really a gotcha

Also, how many people on the left can you ever actually list of getting arrested for that? I can list like dozens and dozens of conservatveis politicians, activists and so on that did, you can't do the same for the left

Peter Bright is a example of the point I was trying to make, I wasn't trying to make it about left vs right, just making reference to the fact that conservatives in weight have people who accuse lgbt of being pedophiles getting arrested for, gasp, pedophlia

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
I hid as spoiler to not bloat my post, that's only five names, I must have like 60 or more names , I honest never ever heard of examples from the left side, you'd think conservagives in the USA would throw it constantly as proof that democrats, lgbt and so on are pedophiles, yet the most they do is whine about Biden :v
I can only think of careers from powerful people that don't end after these kind of scandale.

I find Japan society (I am not saying it's the only society like that) very accommodating about this kind of problem.

That's why saying

is wrong for me.
Wst society is also pretty accomidating if the person is pwoerful and or popular enough
 
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No, you are correct. They do not have a moral right to arbitrarily delete content, even if they are hosting the site, because they are a platform that hosts content from other people, and so they have a responsibility to treat the people they depend on with respect. If they were content creators themselves, then sure they can do whatever they want, but they are not. The fact is that they do not have a moral right to be arbitrary because of the nature of the site. They can establish clear guidelines for what they will and will not host on here, but they do not get to just delete anything on a whim whenever they feel like and not be the bad guy in so doing. They have a duty to be clear, impartial, and transparent, and by the semantic definition of what arbitrary means, they cannot be arbitrary and fulfill those criteria.

What I do mean, though, by transparency alone being insufficient, I mean that they are changing quite rapidly the nature of the platform itself, and they are doing so unilaterally while also completely lacking transparency in so doing. However, just that is insufficient. I will give an example to illustrate;

It's more courteous for someone to give you a heads-up before gutpunching you than to do it without warning, but even so, it's hardly something you can be happy about now can you?

How this relates to the situation is simple: they seem to be trying to completely change the nature of the site itself from what everyone expects from it by going corpo and trying to clean it up to look "legit". The fact they seem to be doing this sneakily is quite bad, but even if they were to do it openly, it would still be unacceptable because it's a complete u-turn on everything Mangadex has been up until now, of its userbase, and its content creators. This is something that would be completely unthinkable for the vast majority of all the site's community.

Can they do this? Sure, they own the site. But it's basically killing its nature and identity in so doing, and they'd lose a significant portion of their users in so doing, which is why they aren't being honest because they know it. So they boil the frog slowly instead.

It can't be said that this is a proper thing to do by any stretch. This is because, in practice, it would mean riding the wave of the efforts and labour of the scanlators to get big, and then throw them under the bus the moment they are no longer needed. It's betraying people's expectations and trust for your own gain.

All of what they've been doing for a long time now seems to indicate a pattern of intent towards going this direction, to "legitimizing" the site, and in practice, this is what it entails. It will start with deleting a few titles, and then more, until it's been repackaged into something it isn't, and wasn't ever meant to be.

No amount of transparency about this would make it okay. It would be much better that way than the skullduggery of the present, but that's like calling a compound fracture of the collarbone an improvement over a quadruple amputation. What they need to do is some real introspection and return the devotion and affection their community has given them in kind, and remember what got them here in the first place.

It's not about keeping 100% of the content up forever. The removal of material is more about what it shows about how things have changed and where it's heading. Especially nowadays, when all artistic media is under siege.
I gotta be honest, Mangadex registering as a business in UK and possibly going legit is honestly puzzling, cause like, 99,99% of the content hosted here is literally illegal due to piracy, they simply aren't legally allowed to host it, period, it's the entire reason DMCA works to begin with cause either they remove it or they can get sued

Really, I honestly can't tell what is worse, moderation being infected by braindead tourists who want to go at war with loli / shota and later most likely other content they dislike or them registering as a business in UK

As a matter of fact now that they're supposedly registered as a business i won't be surprised if we got a repeat of Batoto, after all didn't the site go down cause the chinese and japanese or whatever litereally got a hold of who was the person who owned the site?

Either way nothing but moronic decisions made under pathetic bullshit excuses and at this point I can't help but wonder how long until the site closes cause what a shock that trying to go legit when you literally host stolen content without permission of the copyright owners is going to backfire horribly
 
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No, you are correct. They do not have a moral right to arbitrarily delete content
I don't think we're very far apart in terms of how we see things. I think we both agree that MangaDex is allowed to delete entries (arbitrarily or not) from a legal standpoint. We can also agree on MangaDex deleting certain entries because of clear rules that were enforced. Where we seem to differ is that you seem to emphasize inherent moral obligations platforms have that MangaDex has broken and that users (or rather the ones who upload content) are entitled to....something.

I'm not entirely sure what this "something" is. The closest I got from your post was the following:
What they need to do is some real introspection and return the devotion and affection their community has given them in kind, and remember what got them here in the first place.
But that's still very vague and/or invisible to the outside without action. So how do you suggest they reasonably and specifically do this in order to satisfy you that they did the above?

That said, we're not too far apart in regards to the moral obligations issue either. Because what it all comes down to is: what are the consequences? Users will leave, possibly to the point that the site withers and dies. And we can definitely agree on the first part. Time will tell about the second part.

What's left is just a semantic discussion on how we frame the issue ("MangaDex has broken their moral obligations towards their users" vs "MangaDex made a choice that they were allowed to make, which they felt was the most beneficial one given their situation, but every choice has consequences, so they'll have to live with this choice's consequences"), but reasonable minds can disagree on that one. (y)
 

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