Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai - Vol. 8 Ch. 45 - Mama is not scary

[komachi29]

Re-e-eally bad analogy, considering the whole reason Kaya's mom found out was because said practice was still in full swing less than a decade ago, killing her caretaker.

People act like it's been a long time ago, when in reality, even a decade hasn't passed since. And also acting like it has stopped, when, in reality, Kaya's grandma participated in it, and, even assuming auntie isn't on board - that's a big household - might not be up to her to decide. And also - what is to stop the next generating from picking the practice right back up? Kind of the reason the entire clan should be wiped. Dunno in how much denial one has to be to just overlook all that, plug the ears, and go "lalala, clearly all the bad stuff is in the long past and never going to happen again, lalala"

I mean it's the same, kaya didn't participate to any of this or the baby who's still in her mother belly also didn't do anything to her, but would be collateral and died for her mother revenge.

You only cares about the her mother and only her but didn't flinched when she's gonna kill 2 innocent child and probably a lot more innocent child from sub-branches like namu. Interesting, More like you are the one who plug your ear and goes "lalalala who cares if kid dies because muh suffering"

So again I'm asking, kaya, her baby brother and lots of other kid death are justified for you?

 

[AaryantSedhai1]

when mirai said about defilement in the same chapter is it possible that she was defiled the same way curse womb the clan made her too?

 

[NekoiNemo]

I mean it's the same, kaya didn't participate to any of this or the baby who's still in her mother belly also didn't do anything to her, but would be collateral and died for her mother revenge.

You only cares about the her mother and only her but didn't flinched when she's gonna kill 2 innocent child and probably a lot more innocent child from sub-branches like namu. Interesting, More like you are the one who plug your ear and goes "lalalala who cares if kid dies because muh suffering"

So again I'm asking, kaya, her baby brother and lots of other kid death are justified for you?

Kaya dying is indeed sad, if she even would, given her power. Her baby brother isn't born yet, it no more of a death than an abortion is. And you seem weirdly defensive about stopping a cult murdering people, interesting.

 

[komachi29]

Kaya dying is indeed sad, if she even would, given her power. Her baby brother isn't born yet, it no more of a death than an abortion is. And you seem weirdly defensive about stopping a cult murdering people, interesting.

I mean it's you who weirdly defensive about "but much suffering" And you are blinded about everything else. the ebisumori cursed womb practice are stopped after the auntie death as their last brainwashed victim, after that grandma became the head priest and the next in line is Nana, both of them vow to never continue the tradition.

You just shrugged off "a lot of kid going to die but who cares" Is basically your response here and I find it kinda insane. You are awfuly defensive for one genocidal maniac who's willing to kill 2 of her kid and bunch of other kids and countless innocent victim from sub-branch like namu.

 

[NekoiNemo]

I mean it's you who weirdly defensive about "but much suffering" And you are blinded about everything else. the ebisumori cursed womb practice are stopped after the auntie death as their last brainwashed victim, after that grandma became the head priest and the next in line is Nana, both of them vow to never continue the tradition.

You just shrugged off "a lot of kid going to die but who cares" Is basically your response here and I find it kinda insane. You are awfuly defensive for one genocidal maniac who's willing to kill 2 of her kid and bunch of other kids and countless innocent victim from sub-branch like namu.

You all seem to forget that bloodline doesn't end with Nana. What is to stop clan from continuing the practice afterwards? Also, you're the one who is weirdly dismissive of all the people who were sacrificed for it in the past, will be in the future, and also, may i remind, the kind of curse that requires a gruesome process like that is not used to make someone stub their toe or slip on a banana peel. That's the kind of curse that is used to eradicate families. What about future and past victims of the curse?

If anything, you're the one who are shrugging off a lot of past and future deaths simple because... "but maybe not all people in the clan are bad". Honestly, i'm kind of done with this discussion. If people want to just reject the reality of how these kinds of cults operate, and stick to their "lalala, nothing bad is ever going to happen again, because one woman pinky-promised to not engage in a ritual practised by her sect for generations" delusion - suit yourselves.

 

[komachi29]

You all seem to forget that bloodline doesn't end with Nana. What is to stop clan from continuing the practice afterwards? Also, you're the one who is weirdly dismissive of all the people who were sacrificed for it in the past, will be in the future, and also, may i remind, the kind of curse that requires a gruesome process like that is not used to make someone stub their toe or slip on a banana peel. That's the kind of curse that is used to eradicate families. What about future and past victims of the curse?

If anything, you're the one who are shrugging off a lot of past and future deaths simple because... "but maybe not all people in the clan are bad". Honestly, i'm kind of done with this discussion. If people want to just reject the reality of how these kinds of cults operate, and stick to their "lalala, nothing bad is ever going to happen again, because one woman pinky-promised to not engage in a ritual practised by her sect for generations" delusion - suit yourselves.

Wdym? The ritual can only be performed by the main branch. So right now, the only person who can performed this is kaya, nana and mirai. We all now the sub-branch worked as their labor force or the family muscle from namu flashback.

Well the past victim has nothing to do with Nana, namu, kaya or all the children from sub branch so why the hell they have to pay the price? Nana and namu is 7 years old when yoshie died, all the people who's responsible also died and that's why Mutsu raise in power, and guess what? Even Mutsu who've been shown didn't want to participate and witness the last ritual also died. That's why I'm using the slavery analogy, you basically justify death to all people who is not responsible for the crimes.

Again, the ritual end with Nana. This chapter explicitly said that, how did you missed it? No, I'm not shrugging all the gruesome death of the past. But there is no justification to killing all the innocent people. From the family tree, we can assume they sacrifice 5 people and that's horrible, but you didn't even flinched when mirai going to kill hundred of people including her own flesh and blood? Make it make sense, man.

Yes, not all people in the clan is responsible. You really insanely bad reading comprehension, Nana and namu are example for people who have nothing to do with it and guess what? The main character for this manga is innocent too. Yes, nothing bad ever again because the people who have the power to do the ritual didn't want to do it anymore.

You saw mirai getting bullied and now you are doing insane mental gymnastics thinking what she doing is justified, you literally blind about everything else which I find is insane.

 

[humanities_descent]

You all seem to forget that bloodline doesn't end with Nana. What is to stop clan from continuing the practice afterwards? Also, you're the one who is weirdly dismissive of all the people who were sacrificed for it in the past, will be in the future, and also, may i remind, the kind of curse that requires a gruesome process like that is not used to make someone stub their toe or slip on a banana peel. That's the kind of curse that is used to eradicate families. What about future and past victims of the curse?

If anything, you're the one who are shrugging off a lot of past and future deaths simple because... "but maybe not all people in the clan are bad". Honestly, i'm kind of done with this discussion. If people want to just reject the reality of how these kinds of cults operate, and stick to their "lalala, nothing bad is ever going to happen again, because one woman pinky-promised to not engage in a ritual practised by her sect for generations" delusion - suit yourselves.

The problem is that she's going to the most extreme solution to a problem to a problem that could be solved with a lot less bloodshed. The people who pass down the curse are the heads of the family through the ritual. The previous head was already on deaths door and was almost guaranteed to die within few years tops. The current head has shown next to zero interest in continuing the family and has let it dwindle significantly in power, as shown by the house being pretty much empty. If she was dead set on ending the influence of her family, all she would have to do is kill the Nana. If she wanted to go the extra mile, she could find and destroy the umbilical cords, which would make it impossible to make a new head. Instead she made the new head herself in her quest for revenge, and decided to continue with the plan that will kill her own child, and countless others, just to satisfy herself. The branch families don't even have powers by themselves. Unless another anomaly is born, their family would fall apart rather quickly once the umbilical cords and heads are gone. Especially since their clans influence was already fading. She's may have been wronged, but it's pretty clear that she's a pretty bad person, and an even worse mother. On top of the fact that she's going to traumatize her kind loving husband who's going to lose his entire family in one day. If she was even slightly considering anybody else's feelings she would've done IVF or had a one night stand to do the curse instead of involving a completely innocent outsider who's going to have their entire world destroyed.

 

[Umbrum]

No matter what your reasons are, killing your unborn baby and your daughter is simply not excusable. She's not right, by any means, she even had the chance to actually embrace her newfound happy life but decided she couldn't let go of it when she noticed Kaya had powers, I wonder if she actually started hating Kaya when she found out.

Yes, she had a shitty life because of how her mother handled the situation, regardless of Mutsu's goals the results were clearly still unfavorable, regardless of their intentions it doesn't change the fact that they excluded her from the family. However that doesn't excuse destroying her family like this, it's understandable that she doesn't care about what Nana told her, but's still not right, why would two wrongs make a right?

Kaya's mom is still a monster willing to murder her innocent infant daughter for the sake of her revenge, she is by all means absolutely wrong. The moment a victim starts cursing and harming the innocent, that's when a murderer becomes a hero and a victim the monster, that's when a hero needs to step up and slay the monster, that's the moment everything turns black and white, as there's nothing simpler than saving the innocent and slaying the monster.

Mirai could still turn back, there's no need for her to end her life as a monster.

 

[NateVG]

You all seem to forget that bloodline doesn't end with Nana. What is to stop clan from continuing the practice afterwards? Also, you're the one who is weirdly dismissive of all the people who were sacrificed for it in the past, will be in the future, and also, may i remind, the kind of curse that requires a gruesome process like that is not used to make someone stub their toe or slip on a banana peel. That's the kind of curse that is used to eradicate families. What about future and past victims of the curse?

If anything, you're the one who are shrugging off a lot of past and future deaths simple because... "but maybe not all people in the clan are bad". Honestly, i'm kind of done with this discussion. If people want to just reject the reality of how these kinds of cults operate, and stick to their "lalala, nothing bad is ever going to happen again, because one woman pinky-promised to not engage in a ritual practised by her sect for generations" delusion - suit yourselves.

Brother man, your analogy is almost like those on the internet saying "H2O is an atom away from being H2O2" like dawg are you okay? You're saying it like everyone is clowning on you which is not true, lets break it down as much as possible so everyone is on the same page.

The Ebisumori bloodline will never end, their curse practice will and are on the verse of ending however by the time Mutsu pass away, even Nana barely know about it as much as Mutsu. What past and future "victim"? They're already gone bro, it's pretty much over and dealt with by the time Kaya was born, Mirai is the only one who's bringing it back.

And you're telling me it's justified for her to nuke the whole clan, not just her mom and sister, even the branches who don't even know a hair about it at this point in time thanks to Mutsu, and killing both of her kids with one of them still in her belly, plus hundreds of other innocent kids who are born in the branch families??? I'm not even talking about how she's about to traumatize her husband if she succeed.

And all of it stemming from her getting bullied? Brother her childhood wasn't even THAT bad, everyone in the family loves her, she got bullied only when she got to public school after a good while, and guess what? Mutsu was still looking out for her up until she left the house, but Mirai never acknowledge it, and guess what? After leaving the house, she got a family, her husband loves her! Kaya loves her! And she's actively destroying the place she belongs, by blasting both the uninvolved and her loved one for that so call "revenge" and you're telling me this shit is okay?!

Could have just said "Oh mb g I didn't think it through, didn't know it's that bad" and end it there, but no it seem like you're arguing just for the sake of it and you have to double down until you can't fight logic anymore and just settle down with "I'm kinda done with yall, those who don't agree with me mean they don't know any better" like damn can you go looking at the mirror for a minute??

I'm sounding very heated, so apology if you're feeling extremely offended, but then again you should read what you typed before hitting enter, or better yet reread the manga then come back, I don't want to associate you with some of those Twitter users that refuse to think if I could, you're literally looking at Mirai through rose-tinted lens and making the consequence of her action like it's someone else's problem.

 

[Grailm]

So, after getting caught up after introduced to this series after watching the anime. Seeing this comments section, I got to wonder since it's been the least talked about part. Did Mirai ever really love her husband? Why did she even get with a man to begin with if she intended to kill herself like that? Why not just go to a sperm bank? Why involve and lead on this poor guy who you don't seem to care that after you kill yourself and the child you are pregnant with, will traumatize him to the point he might kill himself. Then when it fails, you intend to do it again and now also kill your five-year-old child your husband loves dearly and would be devastated to lose. I just feel so bad for this poor unaware man who has no idea who his wife really is and what she actually intended all along. This man doesn't deserve this at all; he's a completely innocent bystander who has done nothing wrong.

 

[NateVG]

So, after getting caught up after introduced to this series after watching the anime. Seeing this comments section, I got to wonder since it's been the least talked about part. Did Mirai ever really love her husband? Why did she even get with a man to begin with if she intended to kill herself like that? Why not just go to a sperm bank? Why involve and lead on this poor guy who you don't seem to care that after you kill yourself and the child you are pregnant with, will traumatize him to the point he might kill himself. Then when it fails, you intend to do it again and now also kill your five-year-old child your husband loves dearly and would be devastated to lose. I just feel so bad for this poor unaware man who has no idea who his wife really is and what she actually intended all along. This man doesn't deserve this at all; he's a completely innocent bystander who has done nothing wrong.

You can call it a theory or speculation, I'd just go on a limb and say she does love her husband and child, which sounds crazy I know, but I'm basing this on Kaya's behavior before Mirai got pregnant again. Kaya's never shown any weird behavior outside of her ghost thrashing activity every now and then so I'd assume her education before going to school was really good, I could give all the credits to Satou (Mirai's huband) but she surely gotta have a part in that as well.

Plus young children are usually good at picking up signals of whether the person they're seeing have good intention or not, in my opinion Kaya never hate Mirai, rather she's scared of the curse/her unborn younger sibling because she can't do anything to get rid of it while it can attack back while keep growing stronger by the day.
So honestly idk how some people still see her as a sane individual after it's gotten this far

 

[Grailm]

You can call it a theory or speculation, I'd just go on a limb and say she does love her husband and child, which sounds crazy I know, but I'm basing this on Kaya's behavior before Mirai got pregnant again. Kaya's never shown any weird behavior outside of her ghost thrashing activity every now and then so I'd assume her education before going to school was really good, I could give all the credits to Satou (Mirai's huband) but she surely gotta have a part in that as well.

Plus young children are usually good at picking up signals of whether the person they're seeing have good intention or not, in my opinion Kaya never hate Mirai, rather she's scared of the curse/her unborn younger sibling because she can't do anything to get rid of it while it can attack back while keep growing stronger by the day.
So honestly idk how some people still see her as a sane individual after it's gotten this far

Ehh, thats not really enough for me. Kids at a young age will excuse a lot of things for a mother's love as has been studied and documented. The wired monkey experiment being a harrowing example. Kaya is just a naive kid desperate for a mothers love.

Besides that, this still really doesnt answer if she ever really loved her husband or was just using him. Had she not had that accident that allowed Kaya to be born. She fully intended to die and leave her husband devastated. Now she's trying to do it again, with the added detriment of killing Kaya too. No care whatsoever or mention of how this will utterly traumatize Satou if not lead him to kill himself out of despair from losing his entire family like that. The poor guy honestly doesnt even seem like an afterthought for her.

Thus i honestly Find it hard to believe she loves him. I need some backstory on how they met or something. Otherwise, i just assume she got with him so use him as a means of being taking cared of while in her vulnerable pregnant state.

 

[NateVG]

Ehh, thats not really enough for me. Kids at a young age will excuse a lot of things for a mother's love as has been studied and documented. The wired monkey experiment being a harrowing example. Kaya is just a naive kid desperate for a mothers love.

Besides that, this still really doesnt answer if she ever really loved her husband or was just using him. Had she not had that accident that allowed Kaya to be born. She fully intended to die and leave her husband devastated. Now she's trying to do it again, with the added detriment of killing Kaya too. No care whatsoever or mention of how this will utterly traumatize Satou if not lead him to kill himself out of despair from losing his entire family like that. The poor guy honestly doesnt even seem like an afterthought for her.

Thus i honestly Find it hard to believe she loves him. I need some backstory on how they met or something. Otherwise, i just assume she got with him so use him as a means of being taking cared of while in her vulnerable pregnant state.

We will probably get more info on it later I'd imagine, I reread a bit and notice Mirai reconsidered about the genocide when she first born Kaya, but after Kaya started seeing ghost, she got insane (again?), she still loves Kaya, but that love was twisted (It's in chapter 44)

Also I lowkey doubt even Satou doesn't know everything since Kaya has been punching ghost since she's like 1 y/o, there's gotta be more to it and we still don't know his full name iirc.

 

[looc64]

Wdym? The ritual can only be performed by the main branch. So right now, the only person who can performed this is kaya, nana and mirai. We all now the sub-branch worked as their labor force or the family muscle from namu flashback.

Not getting involved in the rest of this but Namu himself is sort of a contradiction to that because he has pretty strong powers in spite of being from the side branch and a dude.

I think one of the most interesting things about the whole curse is that we don't actually have enough data points to confirm if the Ebisumoris are right about how it works? It'd be one thing if Kaya were the 38th or 28th or even the 18th priestess and could look back at at least 10 generations of priestesses and womb-samas. Instead we're only getting 3-4 generations so shit is still highly experimental.

 

[komachi29]

Not getting involved in the rest of this but Namu himself is sort of a contradiction to that because he has pretty strong powers in spite of being from the side branch and a dude.

I think one of the most interesting things about the whole curse is that we don't actually have enough data points to confirm if the Ebisumoris are right about how it works? It'd be one thing if Kaya were the 38th or 28th or even the 18th priestess and could look back at at least 10 generations of priestesses and womb-samas. Instead we're only getting 3-4 generations so shit is still highly experimental.

We don't know if namu is an anomalies or it happened in rare occasions but Probably a scheme keep the main branch as the de facto power and keep all the sub branch as their servant.

I think they are know how it works it just the author either make it intentionally vague or just didn't think it's important to lay out the whole process for the reader. Seeing how much power and influence the previous generations got because everyone is feared them shows that it always worked as they intended.

I think kaya case is something that never happened before and it's still a mystery to this day. Is she a reincarnation? possessed? Split personality? I think it's the biggest mystery so far and I really hope it got explored after this arc ended.

 

[Grailm]

We will probably get more info on it later I'd imagine, I reread a bit and notice Mirai reconsidered about the genocide when she first born Kaya, but after Kaya started seeing ghost, she got insane (again?), she still loves Kaya, but that love was twisted (It's in chapter 44)

Also I lowkey doubt even Satou doesn't know everything since Kaya has been punching ghost since she's like 1 y/o, there's gotta be more to it and we still don't know his full name iirc.

Well ok, just seems like a pretty weak love that you'd kill your own child like that when... its purely for revenge. Its not like their family tradition that killed her aunt will continue with Kaya since she lives a life without the brainwashing. So there isnt really even an excuse that shes doing this for the greater good or some argument like that.

He's just an ordinary guy. Why wouldn't he assume she just has an overactive imagination or something. I dont even think we have ever seen her mention the whole ghost stuff to her dad. Now if he does know something, that will be interesting. Personally, i think its better if this poor bastard is kept in the dark about what his family is capable of and more specifically what his wife tried to do... twice.

 

[NateVG]

Well ok, just seems like a pretty weak love that you'd kill your own child like that when... its purely for revenge. Its not like their family tradition that killed her aunt will continue with Kaya since she lives a life without the brainwashing. So there isnt really even an excuse that shes doing this for the greater good or some argument like that.

He's just an ordinary guy. Why wouldn't he assume she just has an overactive imagination or something. I dont even think we have ever seen her mention the whole ghost stuff to her dad. Now if he does know something, that will be interesting. Personally, i think its better if this poor bastard is kept in the dark about what his family is capable of and more specifically what his wife tried to do... twice.

Imo you'd notice how shallow Mirai's train of thought about the Ebisumori the more you read the chapter about her childhood, at least in the event that she read Yoshi's handbook and decided to leave the house, from my pov she was legit feelcrafting that her mom pushed Yoshi to her death just because??? Even back when she's still in highschool she started having an emotional outburst more often while never sit and talk it out with either her mom or sister up until she left, atp all I can say it is pretty yikes, there's not much ground for anyone to attempt defending her lol.

As for Satou there was a time lag between her leaving the house and her getting pregnant for the first time, we still don't know how Satou met and married her in the first place, that's why I was expecting more from him, not as a psychic but someone like Chie, kinda in the knows but also didn't dig too deep into the matter for example, Mirai did tell him about the Ebisumori's "tradition" (at least from her pov) when they decided to name Kaya, which he respected it and let it be, compromised with him getting to name the child if the baby was a boy instead.

 

[Grailm]

Imo you'd notice how shallow Mirai's train of thought about the Ebisumori the more you read the chapter about her childhood, at least in the event that she read Yoshi's handbook and decided to leave the house, from my pov she was legit feelcrafting that her mom pushed Yoshi to her death just because??? Even back when she's still in highschool she started having an emotional outburst more often while never sit and talk it out with either her mom or sister up until she left, atp all I can say it is pretty yikes, there's not much ground for anyone to attempt defending her lol.

As for Satou there was a time lag between her leaving the house and her getting pregnant for the first time, we still don't know how Satou met and married her in the first place, that's why I was expecting more from him, not as a psychic but someone like Chie, kinda in the knows but also didn't dig too deep into the matter for example, Mirai did tell him about the Ebisumori's "tradition" (at least from her pov) when they decided to name Kaya, which he respected it and let it be, compromised with him getting to name the child if the baby was a boy instead.

I mean, i get the whole not talking thing. Her mom and sister wouldnt talk to her in the past. Just basically told her to accept things. So she gave up on that front. Its just the way she now thinks that she must wipe out her whole bloodline while lying to herself thats its needed. I'd have more respect if she'd just admit its all for revenge.

Satou hasnt given me the impression that he knows anything or even suspects anything. Guy seems like hes totally in the dark about everything. Far as he's aware, his wife just has a bit of a strained relationship with her family.

 

[NateVG]

I mean, i get the whole not talking thing. Her mom and sister wouldnt talk to her in the past. Just basically told her to accept things. So she gave up on that front. Its just the way she now thinks that she must wipe out her whole bloodline while lying to herself thats its needed. I'd have more respect if she'd just admit its all for revenge.

Satou hasnt given me the impression that he knows anything or even suspects anything. Guy seems like hes totally in the dark about everything. Far as he's aware, his wife just has a bit of a strained relationship with her family.

Yea I think that's it's pretty much it, it's hard to theorize any further atp, we might just drift farther than what will be revealed later, I'll wait for more chapter for now since there's not much to get out of what we have currently.

 

[komachi29]

So, after getting caught up after introduced to this series after watching the anime. Seeing this comments section, I got to wonder since it's been the least talked about part. Did Mirai ever really love her husband? Why did she even get with a man to begin with if she intended to kill herself like that? Why not just go to a sperm bank? Why involve and lead on this poor guy who you don't seem to care that after you kill yourself and the child you are pregnant with, will traumatize him to the point he might kill himself. Then when it fails, you intend to do it again and now also kill your five-year-old child your husband loves dearly and would be devastated to lose. I just feel so bad for this poor unaware man who has no idea who his wife really is and what she actually intended all along. This man doesn't deserve this at all; he's a completely innocent bystander who has done nothing wrong.

Her hatred is overshadowed her love for her husband and kids, so no matter how much she loves them, her hatred toward her family always win.
I guess to put it in simpler term "man, I love that restaurant food and all the worker always nice, but I haaaaateee the owner so I hope he got no customer and goes bankrupt" .