Orcsen Oukokushi ~Yaban na Orc no Kuni wa, Ikanishite Heiwa na Elf no Kuni wo Yakiharau ni Itatta ka~ - Vol. 4 Ch. 11 - The Point Of No Return

[Fortis99]

Reading gives me conflicted feelings because no way a blip in a diplomatic letter like that is just cause to wage war.

But then I look at current real world situations and countries wage war for less offense. Crazy how it works.

about the same cause for current Thailand - Cambodia war.

 

[thanghe]

This mistake seems too stupid for a county.
What if this is the trap?
The ancient elf was able to change their race to female only a long time ago.
Such a change hints at the possibility of gene modification.
Gene modification = bio weapon, super soldier, cloning,....
I think the orc is too hasty.

 

[karmsand]

I wonder if he whispered the old general about tanks

 

[ShaiHH]

Reading gives me conflicted feelings because no way a blip in a diplomatic letter like that is just cause to wage war.

But then I look at current real world situations and countries wage war for less offense. Crazy how it works.

The Franco-Prussian war started, because Bismarck managed to manipulate a letter so brilliantly, both sides thought they had been insulted and the french declared war over it.
compared to that, this one is actually demanding a redraw of the border.

 

[rluka]

Gustav also expected a year back and forth correspondence with Elfind.
He probably plan on doing that, to bait Elfind into make a slip, or declare war.
He didn’t expect this is the level of game from the Elfind queen.

 

[FeudalGrass]

Not just in fantasy stuff either. Cavalry charges were successfully used during WW2. That's many decades after the introduction of Gatling guns.

and even now in the war in Ukraine, with horses and motorbikes. small spread out mobile squads are less costly to lose to FPV drones than expensive tanks . and seem like having mobility is always better than nothing.

 

[izumabakumatsu]

Maybe I'm just pessimistic but I somehow have a feeling this is actually intentional by Elfind to make Orcsen attack them. Sure, they're kinda insulated but it feels like these kinda people always have hidden support in other countries who wants to feel their supposed power/richness, and they've prepped some traps and allegiances (maybe with camelot or something) to trap Orcsen when they go to war. And they'll also probably politically try to twist the fact and say Orcsen had no justification to go to war against them.

Aaargh, the suspense is too much

 

[BanzaiYuri]

"ALL UNITS IRENE, I SAY AGAIN: IRENE!"

 

[jarjaxle]

It depends on the setting and its nature. In the Warhammer wargame there are repeating guns, including gat ratling guns and cavalry keeps going strong. Mostly because heavy cavalry (knights) have better regular armor than that and the guns tend to be pretty inaccurate and/or explode on the gunners' faces. Often both with the rat-men's.

well was thinking warhammer fantasy when wrote the part of Magic Armor aka Grail Knights......but yeah that was the universe I was thinking

 

[cryum]

Maybe I'm just pessimistic but I somehow have a feeling this is actually intentional by Elfind to make Orcsen attack them. Sure, they're kinda insulated but it feels like these kinda people always have hidden support in other countries who wants to feel their supposed power/richness, and they've prepped some traps and allegiances (maybe with camelot or something) to trap Orcsen when they go to war. And they'll also probably politically try to twist the fact and say Orcsen had no justification to go to war against them.

Aaargh, the suspense is too much

It's been too recent from the dark elf campaign for them to normally bait a war. Between spent resources and consolidating the new territory, the timeframe is too short.

It works for expanding empires because they can keep damage away from their homelands, but a defensive war? The orcs just need to break the elfind offensive with Gatling guns and integrated multi-racial tactics to open up Elfind's defensive vulnerability.

And with how much the neighboring countries hate the elves, there's little a PR spin will do them. Painting the orcs as a bully will just advertise how well the orcs get along with other races.

 

[TestAddress]

Elgin is giving that I attack for Bibinot Tanyahu evil.

 

[AnonymousContributor]

Reading gives me conflicted feelings because no way a blip in a diplomatic letter like that is just cause to wage war.

But then I look at current real world situations and countries wage war for less offense. Crazy how it works.

the implication is that elfind will wage war anyways

 

[Trin4life]

I'm with the other people that have reservations; the fact the letter was written in two languages seems rather significant, beyond the typical knife-ear arrogance. This very much seems a "too good to be true" situation, and since the manga has made such a deal about diplomacy it'd be interesting if a plot point revolves around the difference in languages

 

[AnonymousContributor]

BTW the gatling gun was introduced in 1861 in our world. You probably haven't heard of it being actually used in the Civil war because it had a limited usage there. It was used later. We're not even at the fucking maxim gun stage. You still have to crank the damn gun here.

 

[squirrellysama]

Border disputes over small things is often the cause of a LOT of military activity. IIRC there's this region in west Africa that's uncontested land that 3 nations fiercely squable over despite it basically being worthless desert that no one actually wants but everyone needs to lay claim to because they technically do have a claim.

 

[squirrellysama]

It depends on the setting and its nature. In the Warhammer wargame there are repeating guns, including gat ratling guns and cavalry keeps going strong. Mostly because heavy cavalry (knights) have better regular armor than that and the guns tend to be pretty inaccurate and/or explode on the gunners' faces. Often both with the rat-men's.

It seems like prior to Gustav appearing they were around Napoleonic levels of tech and war strategy, and now they've made it to just before WW1, which is honestly about level with earth. The big changes were in policy, agriculture, and logistics that has led the Orcs to be vastly more powerful than their neighbors. Them snatching up the prototype gatling gun to refine into something workable is the only real tech jump we see here where they have something that's completely unavailable to the rest of the world in terms of military tech. They have those temp controlling magic runes I guess, but that isn't really a tech jump thing that's pure magic BS so no telling how fast that could progress or how big a jump it was from waht came before.

 

[Abricomas]

Heh, when Zieten mentioned their progression of houses made from straw, to wood, to bricks, I thought about The Three Little Pigs. Now, who’s going to be the Big Bad Wolf?

 

[Atinverd]

wait, when did the elf and orc get together???