Chounin A wa Akuyaku Reijou o Doushitemo Sukuitai: Dobu to Sora to Koori no Himegimi - Vol. 10 Ch. 49.2 - The Saintess and The Witch

[Rafalga]

This is manga extra and as almost all adaptations who add stories out of their ass to the original, it comes out absolutely, pants on head retarded. Way to end your story on a sour note.

 

[Psychronia]

Heroines really are national disasters.

 

[Rayla89]

This is why you don't take prisoners. Kill your enemies.

 

[shinshom]

the manga is doing its work to focus on the cliff hangers LOL

 

[Knighto]

Apparently it is that hard... for you.

As I and other have pointed out:

• Don't put all your prisoners in one cell.
• Do something to seriously disable them (break some bones, or at least leg irons). 3) Don't interrogate them as a group.
• Don't turn your back on prisoners. Ever. (Even more true for Allen who isn't a melee fighter.)
• When you find a weapon on a prisoner, become even more cautious that the above. (E.g. withdraw from the room.)
• Before that, alarm bells should have rung as soon as you found prisoners moved from their original cell to a comfortable cell.
• And before that, given that Amy wasn't able to influence all the guards, then the other guards should have raised alarms at their comrades suddenly becoming Amy fanboys.

Granted mistakes can happen. People can fail to catch things that they should have caught. That's credible.

But failing this many obvious things at once isn't credible.

let's see...

1. they are all in one cell because they are royal hostages, they have to present a little good faith for future negotiations.
2. go back to 1, why would you break bones if so far the prisoners haven't acted in a way it needs to be done.
3. we go to 2 there, they don't know about the brainwashing, so the 2 guards giving information to the rest of their allies (Allen included) trust them. so they didn't turn their back on the enemy, the hostages had 2 more guards there.
4. the betrayal started the moment he took the wand and checked with appraisal ... way too fast
5. and 6. are fair points, if not all guards got controlled, the big question is how they were acting with the rest, were they fanboying or not, but from how it was explained the ability, it's a slow burn one, like first they start to listen to her then they turn into fan boys when she uses her magic.

As it turns out... No, it's hard for you after all.

You've never pointed out any of these things in any of your previous posts. Not only is it hard for you to pay attention to the things you read, it is hard for you to pay attention to what you wrote yourself.

There's a saying "After the battle, everyone is a general". And all of the things you listed reek of it. You sure as hell didn't complain that they were all in one cell in previous chapter. Or that Amy has a weapon. Or that they didn't have any broken bones. You see you couldn't see what was about to happen any more then the characters in the story. But with hindsight it's easy to pretend to be smart

from what it looked like from ch.48.2, it didn't pass that much time between them getting captured and MC interrogating them, so suspecting the brainwashed guards would be kinda hard... agreeing with you btw.

Which is annoying, because he should know that she is a conniving bitch and won't sit still at all.

bro looks down on them since he won the 1v5 , my only problem is how relaxed he was from them admitting trying to f*ck (kinda literal) with Ana's life, and her ending comatose from that, like at least a nice kick on the prince face ffs.

 

[StormSen]

let's see...
1. they are all in one cell because they are royal hostages, they have to present a little good faith for future negotiations.

That's not a reason to not put them in separate cells. If anything it's more of a reason to separate them. You do NOT want them collaborating with each other.

2. go back to 1, why would you break bones if so far the prisoners haven't acted in a way it needs to be done.

Can't escape, can't attack if their leg bones a broken. Though, IMO leg irons would be almost as good, with no risk of permanent damage. ... Though this evaluation depends on how good healing magic is in the area. Oh... And that makes it even more important to separate Amy (healer) from the rest.

3. we go to 2 there, they don't know about the brainwashing, so the 2 guards giving information to the rest of their allies (Allen included) trust them. so they didn't turn their back on the enemy, the hostages had 2 more guards there.

If the brainwashed guards suddenly start treating the prisoners extremely well (e.g. moving them to a better cell, giving them a table to eat at, giving them better food), then obviously something very-not-right is going on. Other guards don't need to know why (brainwashing) that is happening. That it is happening is sufficient..

4. the betrayal started the moment he took the wand and checked with appraisal ... way too fast

He turned his back on them. He should never have done that. And he did that after he realized that they had a weapon they should not have. (I could argue about how quickly they act at this point, but that's easily explained by having the rope that they were apparently restrained with be already sabotaged (untied or similar)).

5. and 6. are fair points, if not all guards got controlled, the big question is how they were acting with the rest, were they fanboying or not, but from how it was explained the ability, it's a slow burn one, like first they start to listen to her then they turn into fan boys when she uses her magic.

It seems pretty fast, but regardless, since the treatment of the prisoners already improved so vastly, then we know it was already very thorough. ... If it was slow, then there should have been many moments where the affected guards wondered "Why do I want completely violate my own oaths and loyalty and switch to supporting the enemy?"

[Below, Knighto is responding to Dj0rel, who was arguing against me.]

from what it looked like from ch.48.2, it didn't pass that much time between them getting captured and MC interrogating them, so suspecting the brainwashed guards would be kinda hard... agreeing with you btw.

Again, it's the sudden drastic improvement in treatment of the enemy prisoners that's the massive red flag. There's no way to miss that.

[Below Knighto is responding to Vaudevillian]

bro looks down on them since he won the 1v5 , my only problem is how relaxed he was from them admitting trying to f*ck (kinda literal) with Ana's life, and her ending comatose from that, like at least a nice kick on the prince face ffs.

He's always been thorough, strategic and careful. He knows perfectly well that he won the 1 v 5 through tricks and strategy. He's also an accomplished solo dungeon conqueror, fighting many sizes of monsters. As an deeply experienced mid to long range dungeon fighter, he would be instintively aware of the danger of getting caught in close range combat. His instinctive response would be: 1) avoid close range combat risks as much as possible (e.g. never turn your back on an enemy), and 2) always have backup strategies available if he does get caught in such combat.

 

[StormSen]

As it turns out... No, it's hard for you after all.

You've never pointed out any of these things in any of your previous posts. Not only is it hard for you to pay attention to the things you read, it is hard for you to pay attention to what you wrote yourself.

There's a saying "After the battle, everyone is a general". And all of the things you listed reek of it. You sure as hell didn't complain that they were all in one cell in previous chapter. Or that Amy has a weapon. Or that they didn't have any broken bones. You see you couldn't see what was about to happen any more then the characters in the story. But with hindsight it's easy to pretend to be smart

Your prior insult was "People are posting without thinking." Now your claim is "People can't think of problems ahead of time!" [Correction, it was Zhulock who made the first point and Dj0rel who made the second point.]

You don't answer any my points. (Instead you attack me for making the points!) Probably because you have no arguments.

(Vs. Knighto who did make arguments - which is why I addressed him first.)

 

[Arkuses]

So even if they have the slightest of temptations they get brain washed?!
It explains why Allen is immune though because he sees her as disgusting

Edit: Apparently it also includes who she desires herself.
So chances are some of the guards don't even like even a little

 

[DrarRV]

Ahh they got nerfed really hard

 

[_idiot]

If nothing else, Allen really should have been using Appraisal much more liberally, especially with prisoners they're about to interrogate. I almost forgot he even got that skill.

 

[captain_crunch]

If nothing else, Allen really should have been using Appraisal much more liberally, especially with prisoners they're about to interrogate. I almost forgot he even got that skill.

Was going to say this. Why didn't he use appraisal at the start of every encounter with an enemy? Wouldn't someone with the skill always do that to always want the most up to date info about someone who's been trying to kill you?

 

[Dj0rel]

Your prior insult was "People are posting without thinking." Now your claim is "People can't think of problems ahead of time!"

Nope. That was my first time commenting on this chapter. And you're the one who started with insults.

You don't answer any my points. (Instead you attack me for making the points!) Probably because you have no arguments.

That was the answer all of your points. It's easy to claim "the characters should have done this/that" after the consequences are shown. But you didn't comment anything before even though all the hints were there. That makes you no smarter then the characters in the story and you have no right to claim what they should have done.

 

[Bibliothecarius]

Thanks for the chapter!!!

 

[feral_fenrir]

The MC decides to cast appraisal on things now?! Why wasn't it cast earlier, right upon capture? Why wait?

 

[Vaudevillian]

He's always been thorough, strategic and careful. He knows perfectly well that he won the 1 v 5 through tricks and strategy. He's also an accomplished solo dungeon conqueror, fighting many sizes of monsters. As an deeply experienced mid to long range dungeon fighter, he would be instintively aware of the danger of getting caught in close range combat. His instinctive response would be: 1) avoid close range combat risks as much as possible (e.g. never turn your back on an enemy), and 2) always have backup strategies available if he does get caught in such combat.

It feels like the standard trope of nerfing a character to allow the plot to happen, like if Allen actually done any of this, there would be little chance for the later developments to happen. Which is a shame, as this series has generally managed to avoid doing it to a nonsensical degree, but I cannot look past this.

bro looks down on them since he won the 1v5 , my only problem is how relaxed he was from them admitting trying to f*ck (kinda literal) with Ana's life, and her ending comatose from that, like at least a nice kick on the prince face ffs.

Another reason why this development feels stupid, he has the knowledge that she is a threat to Ana's life, yet is treating them as common thugs, which while they don't deserve the air that they breathe, if you can't kill them (which cannot be done because of diplomacy) then bind them up in chains in separate places.

 

[zHIST]

This just might be the worst chapter of the entire series, on many levels.

Starting from the idiocracy of the entire moment, MC being a complete fucking idiot and wet noodle, same goes for literally everyone in that moment.

And ending at a pathetic cliffhanger.

 

[zHIST]

Think before you type please its not hard.

I think you should apply that to yourself little buddy. Because neither author nor you spared a thought of how little the situation makes any sense. Read it again, but sloooowly, since you need it

 

[zHIST]

As it turns out... No, it's hard for you after all.

You've never pointed out any of these things in any of your previous posts. Not only is it hard for you to pay attention to the things you read, it is hard for you to pay attention to what you wrote yourself.

There's a saying "After the battle, everyone is a general". And all of the things you listed reek of it. You sure as hell didn't complain that they were all in one cell in previous chapter. Or that Amy has a weapon. Or that they didn't have any broken bones. You see you couldn't see what was about to happen any more then the characters in the story. But with hindsight it's easy to pretend to be smart

Exactly MC and everyone in that room are actually stupid to even let the situation happen. It's like a brainless idiot who has no idea how this actually works wrote the story, and more idiots defending it

 

[StormSen]

Nope. That was my first time commenting on this chapter. And you're the one who started with insults.

Ah you're right. I conflated you with the original commenter Zhulock.

That was the answer all of your points. It's easy to claim "the characters should have done this/that" after the consequences are shown. But you didn't comment anything before even though all the hints were there. That makes you no smarter then the characters in the story and you have no right to claim what they should have done.

The problem with that: It's one thing to say "20/20 hindsight" (which is all that you said, minus the insults). But the "20/20 hindsight" just equates to "these things could not have been reasonably foreseen". That argument fails when such things are reasonably foreseeable, and are common sense precautions. You would have to argue that my points were foreseeable and/or not common sense -- which you didn't do.

 

[Dj0rel]

The problem with that: It's one thing to say "20/20 hindsight" (which is all that you said, minus the insults). But the "20/20 hindsight" just equates to "these things could not have been reasonably foreseen". That argument fails when such things are reasonably foreseeable, and are common sense precautions. You would have to argue that my points were foreseeable and/or not common sense -- which you didn't do.

Well those things sure as hell weren't "reasonably foreseeable" for you as you only strated complaining about them after they had happened. Which is the other part of the point I was making but you interpreted it as insults. As a matter of fact, nobody in the comments sections anywhere could forsee those "reasonably foreseeable" things except for those who had read the light novel. So much for "reasonably foreseeable".