Imasara desuga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natteshimaimashita - Ch. 55 - A Tiny (Yet Lethal) One-Up

[HYBRID_BEING]

What I meant was he could have told his parents he was going to the movies with his girlfriend when he left the house in the morning and had fully intended to be home for dinner.

Well, I dunno, it doesn't really feel out of character for him that he never did tell his parents. Like, he didn't really had any reason to tell them he was going on a date, when "i'm going out" was most likely enough. Maybe that was because of the consideration for Yami, or maybe because he simply thought it would be a hassle if people around him knew that he had a gf, but, as you yourself said, he wasn't really making any long-term relationship plans, and just kept indulging Yami, who was pretty much obsessed with him at that moment.

 

[DumFck]

the comment section never disappoints

 

[wozbond]

How is it friendzoning if she didn't even know he liked her?

How is Yuu and Yami's intimate private relationship any of Hikari's business when Yuu didn't even know Hikari liked him?
You can't have it both ways story645.
Neither Hikari or Yuu are psychic.
Either they're BOTH entitled to know the whole truth so they can both make informed decisions, or neither of them are entitled to info the other person doesn't want to divulge. Choose.
Either they're BOTH guilty of being oblivious about the other's feelings, or neither are. Choose.
Either they BOTH lied by omission, or neither lied. Choose.
Either they BOTH get to use 'immature at 16' as an excuse, or neither does. Choose.
Either failure to confess is wrong for BOTH of them, or neither of them. Choose.

 

[GennArc]

So then the manga adaptation is leaving out information?
Makes this sound like a really bad adaptation because as its been presented in this Manga, Yuu has been playing around with her feelings.

That part wasn't in the manga, but it's still your own misinterpretation. Just from the way chapter 40 or chapter 43 played out you can tell that wasn't the case for him, his POV chapters are just more direct about it.

 

[story645]

Like, he didn't really had any reason to tell them he was going on a date, when "i'm going out" was most likely enough.

I'm more ??? that he never seemed to have gushed to them ,(or anyone else in his life) about Aya given he couldn't shut up about Hikari (according to Aya).

How is Yuu and Yami's intimate private relationship any of Hikari's business when Yuu didn't even know Hikari liked him?

During his confession, Yuu says he was pretty sure Hikari liked him & that's why he was shooting his shot w/ her. It's Hikari's business cause he was planning to confess to Hikari & therefore his relationship w/ Aya had the potential to become her problem - which is what happened, these last however chapters is Hikari dealing w/ the complications of how Aya and Yuu's relationship is affecting her relationship with Aya and Yuu.

they're BOTH entitled to know the whole truth so they can both make informed decisions

The whole truth at the time of Yuu's original crush on Hikari was that Hikari wasn't interested in him, which he knew, so what was she hiding from him?

 

[HYBRID_BEING]

I'm more ??? that he never seemed to have gushed to them ,(or anyone else in his life) about Aya given he couldn't shut up about Hikari (according to Aya).

Can't picture him gushing over having a girlfriend to anyone, tbh. It's not a very common occurrence in manga anyway

As for Hikari, it was Yuu's crush on her that brought him and Yami together, so that's not very surprising (and Yami was the one to pry into Yuu's love troubles). Besides, i don't really recall Yuu talking about Hikari that much latter in the relationship with Yami (for example, he never mentioned it was her family they were having dinner with in 26.6).

During his confession, Yuu says he was pretty sure Hikari liked him & that's why he was shooting his shot w/ her.

He's talking about the time when Yuu and Yami were together, when Hikari wasn't interested in Yuu - Hikari got no edge to bitch to Yami about taking Yuu's firsts (though, we, readers, can blame Yami, for attempting to "dirty" his "pure love", as she thought to herself when she first dragged Yuu into the hotel). On the other hand, since Hikari never knew about Yuu's feeling, it's not right to call what happened before Yami "friendzoning".

 

[wozbond]

The whole truth at the time of Yuu's original crush on Hikari was that Hikari wasn't interested in him, which he knew, so what was she hiding from him?

The 'whole truth' is that for six straight months she hid the fact she liked him. You can't have it both ways.
So again, either failing to confess is wrong, or it's acceptable. For BOTH Hikari and MC.
Omission is either lying, or it's not. For BOTH characters.
Either 'immature at 16' is a valid excuse for both Yuu and Hikari, or it's it's invalid for both.
And I'm still waiting for an acknowledgement of how unfair it is for Hikari to accuse Yuu of being oblivious when she was oblivious about his feelings for YEARS.

But thanks for all but confirming you believe Yuu is wrong whenever he does something, but whenever Hikari does the same thing, tHaT'S dIFfeRenT. 🤦‍♂️

 

[Boomthorkell]

This whole manga is just apologia for bigamy.

 

[story645]

don't really recall Yuu talking about Hikari that much latter in the relationship with Yam

By that point his feelings for Hikari were less at the forefront & he'd picked up that Hikari was a sore spot for Aya in the manga cafe chapter.

t was Yuu's crush on her that brought him and Yami together, so that's not very surprising (and Yami was the one to pry into Yuu's love troubles)

Yami flagged it a love b/c of the way Yuu talked about Hikari & felt like he always talked about her & everyone in their middle school knew he was in love w/ Hikari too.

Hikari got no edge to bitch to Yami about taking Yuu's firsts

Eh, like I think it'd be unfair of Hikari to hold those feelings against Aya or Yuu, but she's not really doing that. All signs point to her wanting to remain friends w/ both of them, and Aya's relationship would be a blocker to a relationship with Yuu regardless of Aya and Yuu sleeping together. So I mostly took this as her just being honest about her feelings and I think those feelings are ones many folks would have in this situation.

ETA: legit, Aya had asked Hikari to share her feelings:

Yami: "Then pay me the interest starting now."
Hikari: "Huh? But I told you, I don't have money right now..."
Yami: "Come on, we talked about it this evening. Hikari's 'true feelings.'"
Hikari: "Ah..."
[...]

Hikari: "I was confused... and also frustrated."
Yami: "Well, yeah, that figures."

The two of us faced each other on the futon.
Eventually Hikari, seeming hesitant to say it, choosing her words carefully, little by little—

Hikari: "Taa~kun's first kiss, and his first... too. Everything, absolutely everything, is all Aya-chan's..."

The 'whole truth' is that for six straight months she hid the fact she liked him.

The somewhat fair comparison here is how Yuu hid his feelings for her for 10 years because those actions have similar motivations and consequences.

I'm still waiting for an acknowledgement of how unfair it is for Hikari to accuse Yuu of being oblivious when she was oblivious about his feelings for YEARS.

Hikari kinda acknowledges this in her response/thoughts to Yuu's confession? And also Yuu acknowledges he wasn't oblivious, that he confessed b/c he was picking up on her hints.

 

[wozbond]

The somewhat fair comparison here is how Yuu hid his feelings for her for 10 years because those actions have similar motivations and consequences.
Hikari kinda acknowledges this in her response/thoughts to Yuu's confession? And also Yuu acknowledges he wasn't oblivious, that he confessed b/c he was picking up on her hints.

That'd be you somewhat kinda getting dangerously close to admittting Hikari was hiding something, and somewhat kinda getting close to admitting that accusing Yuu of being oblivious is completely hypocritical.
But let's go the final step. Does hiding stuff equal lying, or not? 🤷‍♂️

 

[Kaito57]

Hit her with the "My Family Loves Me" super.

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER !!!

 

[HYBRID_BEING]

By that point his feelings for Hikari were less at the forefront & he'd picked up that Hikari was a sore spot for Aya in the manga cafe chapter.

Exactly what i was getting at. Yuu wasn't talking about Hikari out of his own volition that much.
BTW, when did Yami said Yuu couldn't shut up about Hikari? Reread a few latest chapters, but didn't find it. In this chapter Hikari is actually the one complaining that Yuu is talking about Yami non-stop.

Yami flagged it a love b/c of the way Yuu talked about Hikari & felt like he always talked about her & everyone in their middle school knew he was in love w/ Hikari too.

Well, yes? Because he did had a crush on her.

Eh, like I think it'd be unfair of Hikari to hold those feelings against Aya or Yuu, but she's not really doing that.

I think wozbond was only complaining about Hikari's "You got handsy with Ta~kun before i realized my feelings for him! That's against the rules you know!" line. Which is unreasonable if you think about it calmly (and she fairly got called out on it by Yami), but she was venting at that moment, so it's understandable from emotional standpoint. Perhaps "bitch' was a bit of a strong word to use in this context, sorry if that confused you.
As for Hikari trying to mend things among the three of them, i think everyone is aware of that.

 

[GennArc]

BTW, when did Yami said Yuu couldn't shut up about Hikari? Reread a few latest chapters, but didn't find it. In this chapter Hikari is actually the one complaining that Yuu is talking about Yami non-stop.

@story645 means the novel version of chapter 13.5.

Yes, I'm the only one who can guarantee that.
I'm the only one who's ever heard him talk endlessly about his feelings for his childhood friend.
There's no way it could be anyone else.

But Yami likely only meant that scene at the love hotel (chapter 24), that's the only time when we saw him bring up Hikari of his own volition. In every scene after that Yuu was shown to be uncomfortable talking about Hikari, because it hurt both Yami and him as well.

 

[story645]

Hikari is actually the one complaining that Yuu is talking about Yami non-stop.
[Snip]
Well, yes? Because he did had a crush on her.

This is all my point - Yuu doesn't shut up about the person he likes when he's overcome with feeling for them and that doesn't jive with his radio silence on Aya while he's dating her.

that's the only time when we saw him bring up Hikari of his own volition.

I also think cause of the way he talks about Hikari in 23 - he's being vague as all out but she instantly clocks it as romantic.

but she was venting at that moment, so it's understandable from emotional standpoint

Yeah my whole point that kicked off this conversation is that it's a totally normal feeling for folks to have. I don't think it matters that she's being unreasonable since she doesn't act on them, wasn't even intending to ever tell anyone about them, which is why I don't think she's in the wrong for her feelings. Dunno, it's like a basic thing w/ emotional regulation - it's usually not the feelings that are the problem but how they're managed/the behavior attached to those feelings.

inda getting close to admitting that accusing Yuu of being oblivious is completely hypocritical

I've responded a bunch of times already that Hikari basically thinks/admits this in text.

Does hiding stuff equal lying, or not?

Yes, but neither Hikari nor Yuu consider not confessing to be lies/that the other hid information from them, while both consider Yuu hiding his history w/ Aya to be a lie.

This is probably cause neither Yuu nor Hikari really think they're hiding their feelings - they both feel they've been so blatantly obvious that the other party's apparent obliviousness is just indirect rejection.

Yuu hiding his involvement with Aya though led to Hikari getting dropped right into the middle of their unresolved feelings for each other while also trying to navigate her relationships with each of them. It's also information that is critical to Hikaris decision on whether to date Yuu - if it wasn't than she'd have accepted his confession and we wouldn't have all the rest of this plot.

 

[HYBRID_BEING]

This is all my point - Yuu doesn't shut up about the person he likes when he's overcome with feeling for them and that doesn't jive with his radio silence on Aya while he's dating her.

Yuu, as portrayed in manga, doesn't strike me as the guy who "doesn't shut up about the person he likes" at all. It's always someone prying it out of him - Yami about Hikari (more on that below), Seki (or was it Saeki?) about his ex, Hikari's friends about them both, Hikari about Yami. Heck, even Hikari's complaints, that he talks about Yami all the time, seem kinda overblown. Maybe it's different in the novel?

I also think cause of the way he talks about Hikari in 23 - he's being vague as all out but she instantly clocks it as romantic.

Well, that's basically happened right before the hotel, so pretty much the same situation. That was the only time where he really spilled the beans about the person he liked, and even then, it was Yami who egged him on to talk (and, most likely, due being very emotionally vulnerable at that moment he caved in (same reason he accepted Yami's invitation to hotel, probably)), but after Yuu's and Yami's first time, i don't recall manga presenting Yuu like that.

 

[story645]

i don't recall manga presenting Yuu like that.

The next interaction after the hotel is the manga cafe, where Yami gets passive aggressive about Hikari, effectively shutting down all future mentions. Also Yuu's probably fallen enough for Aya to not gush over Hikari. Like you said, Hikari/Haru/Yuki all think he's still in love with Aya b/c of the way he talks about her when he says he's in love with Hikari.

. It's always someone prying it out of him

Eh, Hikari tries to pry info about his ex and about why he's hesitant to go to the festival and he outright deflects - going by the pattern in the other situations, would be the opening for him to acknowledge she exists at the least.

And also the POV chapters emphasize that he's an open book - his friend picks up on his crush on Hikari b/c of his behavior and his parents flag his crush on Hikari enough to tease him about it.

But also far as I remember, my point was just that Yuu hiding Aya reads as incongruous w/ what the reader knows about him for a relationship he claims is serious. Hell Aya flags it when she asks if his lying to his parents for her is a problem.

ETA: in this vein is the episode where Yuu just tells Hikari about Seki getting a boyfriend. It gives a status update on Seki to the reader but it also tells the reader that Yuu is a person who tells other people about the people in his life - Hikari doesn't at any point find it weird that he's telling her about this girl named Seki.

 

[miyeng]

istg if Hikari end up winning or worse accept the harem ending ill crash out.

like she is too innocent to involve with those two scum who literally made for each other.

 

[GennArc]

I also think cause of the way he talks about Hikari in 23 - he's being vague as all out but she instantly clocks it as romantic.

Because it'd be obvious to anyone just from the context

"But seriously, why were you so dead-set on our school anyway?"
"N-not really... it's just... the vibe, the reputation... stuff like that."
"Ohhh, that's why you're so torn up about it? You're so innocent."
"Shut up."

He shot back a retort, but I could tell he knew.
He could feel it -- how my faint smirk gave me away.
That I'd seen right through his excuse.

"...Fine, honestly..."
"Yeah?"

C'mon, like I don't get it.
The way he's been sulking, full of regret, all mixed-up inside.
That kind of wrecked emotional state doesn't come from some casual admiration.

"There's someone I want to catch up to. To stand next to. And they're there."

Oh, okay, this one's serious.

"A girl?"
"...!"
"Oh, how transparent can you be?"
"S-shut it!"

Ahhh, so it's about a girl, huh?
This plain, unassuming guy... going all lovestruck.

"Ahahaha... hahaha..."
"Don't laugh!"

The next interaction after the hotel is the manga cafe, where Yami gets passive aggressive about Hikari, effectively shutting down all future mentions.

And in that scene he doesn't mention Hikari himself.
And later (in the story) he didn't tell Seki anything about his love interest, even though he brought her up.
No, seriously, every scene with him shows that he's not someone who will blabber about his love. He let his guard down once in chapter 24 because he felt guilty, but never did it again until maybe when he had to come clear with Haru and Yuki (and that was also because of guilt).

 

[Baddtraxx]

good. deserved.

 

[PeakPooPerformance]

Yeah I need more tights fetish manga

idk about you, but I do. Yom got that shit down to a science. I need more Yom to fulfill my fetish more. Though I wouldn't mind him doing other manga like this too (well, maybe not exactly like this story in particular). It's really nice to see his skills be put into non-fetish stuff; he's definitely really talented. And he is always able to sneak in some of his/my fetish in regular stories often, my man, the Tarantino of Mangaka.