Shuu ni Ichido Classmate wo Kau Hanashi ~Futari no Jikan, Iiwake no Gozen'en~ - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - What I Know of Miyagi Is That She Doesn’t Taste Good (…

[VonLoewe]

So slow, when will they go ass to ass?

those who've read the LN know that, at the rate this is releasing, you could probably raise a family and learn a new language before we even get to see them in bed together

 

[iririuuu]

i know that yuri has some weird interactions but danm, what is going on, i'm not sure if i like this

 

[noobplant]

Trust the process yall, it gets better!

 

[MsW0lf]

People complaining Miyagi being an asshole, this probably the worst she does so don’t have to worry 😅 Though she is definitely still a cute tsundere jerk throughout the whole story lmao

But also: she purposefully and deliberately makes sure that no permanent damage would be done. She pretends to act thoughtlessly to provoke the “reaction that nobody else sees” but in fact meticulously and subtly prepared her to save Sendai from any actual harm. What’s the most that went wrong? She had to wash some clothes that she probably already had to? If anything, Miyagi had more to clean up afterwards with all that popcorn and drink on her floor! Miyagi put more thought into this single provocation play then many cis het boyfriends put into their entire relationship!

 

[LocalHaz]

So slow, when will they go ass to ass?

A while but under 1000 chapters

 

[himi-cat]

"Miyagi, look how wet you've gotten me. What are you going to do about this?"

The lowest of low-hanging fruit.

This feels more toxic than I remember. But I do remember being pretty upset at Miyagi for treating Sendai like this back when I first read this WN chapter.
I understand why she does this, but that doesn't make it anymore ok.

This is pretty much how things went in the WN - it was absolutely this toxic, I think it just feels more immediate with the visual medium.

Have I missed something, but why is Miyagi being such an asshole?

. . . . . . . long story.

Currently about 360 chapters - start with the Amawashi/Ave Lillium translation, keep going if you can stomach the MTL. You might get an answer before you run out of chapters . . .

 

[himi-cat]

those who've read the LN know that, at the rate this is releasing, you could probably raise a family and learn a new language before we even get to see them in bed together

What better reason to learn Japanese . . .

 

[Viracocha72]

Miyagi doing everything she can to drive Sendai away because she doesn't want to feel vulnerable but she won't say leave because she doesn't have the heart to part from her willingly. It'd be so much easier if it wasn't her choice.

This was Miyagi trying to end things on her own terms. She wanted to do something that would specifically make Sendai not want to see her anymore. That way she could feel in control instead of feeling like she was abandoned like her mother did to her

 

[Viracocha72]

"Miyagi, look how wet you've gotten me. What are you going to do about this?"

The lowest of low-hanging fruit.

This feels more toxic than I remember. But I do remember being pretty upset at Miyagi for treating Sendai like this back when I first read this WN chapter.
I understand why she does this, but that doesn't make it anymore ok.

I can't help but agree with you Mr Fox

The manga definitely painted a different picture from the novel. It definitely seemed like Sendai was laying flat on the ground when she got the popcorn and soda poured on her when I read it at least.

The scene shown here appeared a little more intense

 

[Viracocha72]

This is pretty much how things went in the WN - it was absolutely this toxic, I think it just feels more immediate with the visual medium.

Yeah but it seems like the manga took some liberties to make the scene a little more dramatic. Definitely don't remember anything in the web novel about Sendai grabbing Miyagi's tie like that. It also seemed in the novel that Sendai was laying flat on her back when she got everything poured on her. Still, a nice different interpretation of the scene

 

[himi-cat]

Yeah but it seems like the manga took some liberties to make the scene a little more dramatic. Definitely don't remember anything in the web novel about Sendai grabbing Miyagi's tie like that. It also seemed in the novel that Sendai was laying flat on her back when she got everything poured on her. Still, a nice different interpretation of the scene

I think these kinds of differences are as much about translation from written to visual media as anything else - in written media we can see inside the characters' heads and get a sense of how they feel, in a visual medium, conveying the intensity of feelings behind actions requires something you can actually see; taking a few "liberties" here and there might be necessary to avoid losing out on important parts of the story.

An interesting contrast is with the adaptation of Uraseki Picnic - the manga is following the books astonishingly closely, and somehow managing to capture the feel of the horror from the original, without losing anything by hewing so close to the written version. That's possible because the focus of the text is outside the characters (despite being written in a first person perspective) - the horror is external, the things that are happening are external even though they're conveyed textually via a description of what the character experiences, and the emotional state of the narrator is a way of reflecting that external horror. The exception is where human relationships are involved, but there it's helped by the distance the narrator keeps others at - in many ways, human relationships are just another kind of external horror, and where they impact on the narrator the same kind of approach to capturing them visually can be taken.

ShuuKura is a very different kind of text - even when things are actually happening, the text focuses almost exclusively on the inside of the characters' heads, and the thoughts and feelings of the narrator for each chapter are the only source of information we ever get about those actions. The fact that it becomes obvous pretty early on that both sides are unreliable (in fact, often quite biased) narrators makes that even more important - grumpy Sendai gives us a different experience as readers from happy Sendai; grumpy Miyagi is . . . . . well, what we get almost all the time, but with different flavours . . .

This is one of the reasons I was skeptical about this adaptation - it's almost the worst possible case for a manga adaptation as far as difficulty goes. I think it's doing a pretty good job, though, using subtle shifts in the style of the art and presentation of the pages to convey aspects of the text that would be difficult to capture otherwise (particularly without a degree of exaggeration that just doesn't fit this story). And ironically, the relative dearth of action in the original text gives the mangaka quite a lot of leeway with the "liberties" they can take without causing meaningful shifts in the story.

 

[Bonzalez]

Very much this. This is definitely the most toxic moment in the story.
Anyone considering dropping Shuukura because of this chapter can rest assured that things won't continue to be this toxic.

Don't mislead them. It will continue to be toxic, but also kinda cute

 

[PixelGamer199]

Don't mislead them. It will continue to be toxic, but also kinda cute

oh hell yeah

 

[zokoi19]

honestly I don't understand why these types of "clearly fucked up mentally but refuses to have anything resembling a normal honest conversation" yuri (this and Adachi series, and that one other series about childhood friends betting or sth) is so fucking popular.

And the response from the one being attacked/being submissive is just so unrelatable. Or maybe I just have anger issue because I would not just lie there and let someone dump their shit onto me like that.

Also, this is not even full on toxic yuri it's just dumb. If I want genuine toxic yuri I'd just re-read Sai Jiang's Black and White.

 

[Koneko_Nyaa]

She's marking her!

Women like to leave things at their boyfriend's place as a way of marking their territory.
Miyagi sent Sendai off in her sweater to mark her room with one of her items without ever having to visit in person.

 

[EnFiveFour]

Thank you for the translation.

 

[NinjaGoemon]

R

This was Miyagi trying to end things on her own terms. She wanted to do something that would specifically make Sendai not want to see her anymore. That way she could feel in control instead of feeling like she was abandoned like her mother did to her

Right, but she also knows she could just tell Sendai not to come back and knows she would do as told. She wants the control of the situation, but she doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.

 

[aiyumi86]

For people waiting for the romance nothing happens for a long time. It’s a long long slow burn. If you’ve read the LN it doesn’t get to anything till so far into the story.

 

[jevm]

It is not a regular slow burn like adashima is more like a what are we? relationship, you know doing everything that a couple does without telling what you want to really say.

 

[Viracocha72]

I think these kinds of differences are as much about translation from written to visual media as anything else - in written media we can see inside the characters' heads and get a sense of how they feel, in a visual medium, conveying the intensity of feelings behind actions requires something you can actually see; taking a few "liberties" here and there might be necessary to avoid losing out on important parts of the story.

An interesting contrast is with the adaptation of Uraseki Picnic - the manga is following the books astonishingly closely, and somehow managing to capture the feel of the horror from the original, without losing anything by hewing so close to the written version. That's possible because the focus of the text is outside the characters (despite being written in a first person perspective) - the horror is external, the things that are happening are external even though they're conveyed textually via a description of what the character experiences, and the emotional state of the narrator is a way of reflecting that external horror. The exception is where human relationships are involved, but there it's helped by the distance the narrator keeps others at - in many ways, human relationships are just another kind of external horror, and where they impact on the narrator the same kind of approach to capturing them visually can be taken.

ShuuKura is a very different kind of text - even when things are actually happening, the text focuses almost exclusively on the inside of the characters' heads, and the thoughts and feelings of the narrator for each chapter are the only source of information we ever get about those actions. The fact that it becomes obvous pretty early on that both sides are unreliable (in fact, often quite biased) narrators makes that even more important - grumpy Sendai gives us a different experience as readers from happy Sendai; grumpy Miyagi is . . . . . well, what we get almost all the time, but with different flavours . . .

This is one of the reasons I was skeptical about this adaptation - it's almost the worst possible case for a manga adaptation as far as difficulty goes. I think it's doing a pretty good job, though, using subtle shifts in the style of the art and presentation of the pages to convey aspects of the text that would be difficult to capture otherwise (particularly without a degree of exaggeration that just doesn't fit this story). And ironically, the relative dearth of action in the original text gives the mangaka quite a lot of leeway with the "liberties" they can take without causing meaningful shifts in the story.

I was also pretty skeptical about the manga, the art style in particular. At first I just plain didn't like it. But, as you mentioned, it has a subtle shift in style during the more intense or serious moments and I've come to like it quite a bit now. It's a pretty unique way of illustrating the shifting tones of the story.

And I hadn't thought of it like you explained. That changing some scenes might be necessary to convey the characters inner feelings since they can't really be shown with speech bubbles or even thought bubbles. Good insight, thanks.