Hope You're Happy, Lemon - Ch. 64
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yeah, author she can make mistakes, but don't make the MC introduction as he had PTSD from that to later make him more sensible, also Kogahara, didn’t they met in college too, maybe I forgor...
anyways, when are we getting back to the present!!?
anyways, when are we getting back to the present!!?
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I just jumped from chapter 3, as I was getting bored, and yup, it is still mindless trash. Forcing misunderstandings into giant issues, while all the characters are simpering, neurotic overthinkers and under communicators. I just find it all so tiring and boring. Are the Japanese all masochists that they enjoy noisy and meaningless drama like this? They like harems, which will usually lead to a lack of progress and heartbreak, and they like NTR, which promotes lack of trust, rejection and failure. Who likes all this negativity and stress from their entertainment??? What is wrong with them?
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So, she procrastinated meeting him for so long, basically until graduation.
Then, when she finally decided to meet him one last time, her friend dragged her away for a graduation photo she could have easily said no to, but she did not. And then, for some unexplained reason, her sister got injured and ended up in the hospital, so she could not go home where he was waiting for her?
What is this, some kind of Rube Goldberg machine of bad luck, or was she just lazy?
Stop procrastinating!
Then, when she finally decided to meet him one last time, her friend dragged her away for a graduation photo she could have easily said no to, but she did not. And then, for some unexplained reason, her sister got injured and ended up in the hospital, so she could not go home where he was waiting for her?
What is this, some kind of Rube Goldberg machine of bad luck, or was she just lazy?
Stop procrastinating!
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Now I kinda wanna read the whole thing in semi-chronological order, the flashbacks of the lead-up to and their relationship and subsequent break-up, all from Lemon’s PoV, and then with chapter 1 we switch to Sunao as the PoV character. I think there’d be a good story to be told. Not this one, perhaps, but a good one nonetheless, about how panicked words can really f— up relationships.
Particularly since I feel like that is a sentiment many can relate to, because they have experienced it themselves or have had anxious thoughts about.
Particularly since I feel like that is a sentiment many can relate to, because they have experienced it themselves or have had anxious thoughts about.
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So the long waited explanation is,
she just didn't really care. Her inner monologues mean nothing since she literally had all time in the world and still did nothing for the next 4 years.
Surely author doesn't expect anyone to start rooting for her right?
she just didn't really care. Her inner monologues mean nothing since she literally had all time in the world and still did nothing for the next 4 years.
Surely author doesn't expect anyone to start rooting for her right?
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I suggest you to not go to the mangaplus comment section there, although the comments are mostly anti hate on Lemon, which is weird as most of the comments are positive in the chapters, a couple of critics but with really little support.
Neither did Sunao, by the same logic
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Mangaplus comments are not real trusted comments, they are curated and delete negative comments to give an artificial positive vibe.
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Gotta admit, I'm just glazing over these last couple of chapters as they feel a bit incomprehensible. Or rather it feels like mucking through the mud to get somewhere better. I get the feeling the author couldn't come up with a compelling enough narrative about this thing hanging over the manga since chapter 1, but just did their best to forge through it.
Not the happiest with this explanation to be honest, but hope we get the present time resolution and can enjoy more of the romcom without the drama, feels like the author really doesn't know how to make drama. I am not mad, just dissappointed, I can relate to Lemon's inaction to an extent but her dumb lie just feels so weightless in how it came to be.
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His self gaslighting in to having trauma doesn't make any sense either so his side is an entirely different topic of discussion. But in the end, he is the wronged party and doesn't really has to seek someone who apparently didn't really care as far as he is concerned. And since his "trauma" is retconned in to being magically self inflicted, he has even less reason to.
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So who the fuck broke their leg? Its going to be another twist reveal becasue they keep blocking their face and Lemon's mother said nothing.
Author-Sensei, it works the first couple of times but now we're wise to your shennanigans and its just infuriating and an insult to our intelligence.
I'm calling its Natsumi's father and she and Lemon are step sisters.
Also calling that this arc, showing Lemon is weak to social pressure, is setting up a Lemon ending by having her finally realize she likes Sunao more than she likes everyone seeing her a "nice girl". (which is bullshit, Natsumi supremacy forever, but I think that's where we're getting set up to head to)
She'd rather Sunao think what ever negative things about her (because they are lies) than feel sorry for her because of the truth that she had been bullied by the mean girls in her class.
I can see what they're trying to lay out:
Lemon was too proud & scared to admit she was being bullied. She panicked and was too proud & scared to walk back her lie. She was to proud and scared to try to find Sunao and tell him the truth. She was too proud and scared to tell him the truth after they met again.
Everything except the last part is an all-to-real and easy to sympathize with; who doesn't have regrets about inaction that has caused a friendship to fade away, or something you ruined because you were too young and dumb to realize when to back down?
The problem is this doesn't make logical sense, only emotional sense - so since you can't use logic you have to show the reader how this emotion-driven line of thought makes sense to the character.
And the problem with that is the Author doesn't have the skill to successfully execute on it; there was nothing in Lemon's character before to suggest she was like that, and we're not really getting a good glimpse into Lemon's mental state to square the circle. The author is trying, Lord are they trying, but they are not able to convey what they want/need to convey.
I don't know if I'd go all the way to say this a retcon, but the author clearly didn't think ahead on how they were to action on Lemon's four-timing being a lie, why she told the lie, and why she never told the truth. I can see this being some notes they wrote when pitching the manga and now that its here they are floundering.
If I'd have done it, I'd have had more of a snubbing by Sunao - its one thing to have a fight with a friend and just not talk, its another to try to talk to a friend and get told to get lost. Or maybe, since we're shown Lemon is weak to bullying/social pressure, that Sunao's friends (or that girl who had a crush on him) show up to tell her to back the fuck up. Sunao wouldn't bring up the issue after they reunited because he felt bad about how he acted to what he now realizes was an obvious lie he should have never believed.
But thye did that, Sunao isn't a perfect nice guy with his only flaw being indecisive.
Author-Sensei, it works the first couple of times but now we're wise to your shennanigans and its just infuriating and an insult to our intelligence.
I'm calling its Natsumi's father and she and Lemon are step sisters.
Also calling that this arc, showing Lemon is weak to social pressure, is setting up a Lemon ending by having her finally realize she likes Sunao more than she likes everyone seeing her a "nice girl". (which is bullshit, Natsumi supremacy forever, but I think that's where we're getting set up to head to)
Its not that she didn't care, its that she felt awkward and was too full of self-pride to admit what was going on. Basically in the trolley problem she'd never touch the lever.
She'd rather Sunao think what ever negative things about her (because they are lies) than feel sorry for her because of the truth that she had been bullied by the mean girls in her class.
The author is trying to help us make sense of Lemon's four-timing admission, why she never told Sunao the truth before, and why she hasn't told him after they met.
I can see what they're trying to lay out:
Lemon was too proud & scared to admit she was being bullied. She panicked and was too proud & scared to walk back her lie. She was to proud and scared to try to find Sunao and tell him the truth. She was too proud and scared to tell him the truth after they met again.
Everything except the last part is an all-to-real and easy to sympathize with; who doesn't have regrets about inaction that has caused a friendship to fade away, or something you ruined because you were too young and dumb to realize when to back down?
The problem is this doesn't make logical sense, only emotional sense - so since you can't use logic you have to show the reader how this emotion-driven line of thought makes sense to the character.
And the problem with that is the Author doesn't have the skill to successfully execute on it; there was nothing in Lemon's character before to suggest she was like that, and we're not really getting a good glimpse into Lemon's mental state to square the circle. The author is trying, Lord are they trying, but they are not able to convey what they want/need to convey.
I don't know if I'd go all the way to say this a retcon, but the author clearly didn't think ahead on how they were to action on Lemon's four-timing being a lie, why she told the lie, and why she never told the truth. I can see this being some notes they wrote when pitching the manga and now that its here they are floundering.
If I'd have done it, I'd have had more of a snubbing by Sunao - its one thing to have a fight with a friend and just not talk, its another to try to talk to a friend and get told to get lost. Or maybe, since we're shown Lemon is weak to bullying/social pressure, that Sunao's friends (or that girl who had a crush on him) show up to tell her to back the fuck up. Sunao wouldn't bring up the issue after they reunited because he felt bad about how he acted to what he now realizes was an obvious lie he should have never believed.
But thye did that, Sunao isn't a perfect nice guy with his only flaw being indecisive.
He is the wronged party how? Lemon broke up with him, and he did not object to that. Was Lemon in the wrong to end the relationship that was not working out and that neither party cared enough about to mend?
If the identity of the murderer is not confirmed until the end of the murder mystery work, does this mean that, at the point of the reveal, it was retconned in?
We knew from the very beginning that the lie was indeed a lie, that it is not in Lemon's character to do something like that in the first place, that Sunao's animosity towards Lemon doesn't hold much weight and evaporates very quickly; halfway through we explicitly learn that Sunao himself doesn't believe in this lie. Now we have the reveal which does not contradict anything that we were told prior. I fail to see how that is a retcon.
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This part here in particular is what might be throwing me off the most. I just didn't get much of a grip on what makes Lemon tick beyond a surface level. For the large part of the manga she's just... Miss Geniality, and I thought, ok, she's a fairly standard heroine so far... and so far... and so far.
I sort of get what the author was going for, but the lack of anything even hinting at this, either from Lemon or the people surrounding Lemon, makes it tough to swallow.
I swear If lemon still ends up winning Ima flip a table
There's no fucking way that she wins when she could have said she lied to MC for 4 fucking years but didn't because she's a coward, ffs school had nothing to do with it as in she could have gone to his house or something, when you REALLY want something you go after it, so I don't believe that because they graduated she couldn't tell him anymore, ffs she had his number so she could've just said we need to meet up etc but instead just continued to be a coward
I also don't understand how MC is the bad guy to some people when dudes a victim, your telling me if your girl tells you she's breaking up with you and uses the excuse that she was dating 3 other men you would still chase after her? sounds like you don't respect yourself at all and instead of having a gf you should probably go to therapy or something instead to get your head checked out
There's no fucking way that she wins when she could have said she lied to MC for 4 fucking years but didn't because she's a coward, ffs school had nothing to do with it as in she could have gone to his house or something, when you REALLY want something you go after it, so I don't believe that because they graduated she couldn't tell him anymore, ffs she had his number so she could've just said we need to meet up etc but instead just continued to be a coward
I also don't understand how MC is the bad guy to some people when dudes a victim, your telling me if your girl tells you she's breaking up with you and uses the excuse that she was dating 3 other men you would still chase after her? sounds like you don't respect yourself at all and instead of having a gf you should probably go to therapy or something instead to get your head checked out
