Munou wa Fuyou to Iware "Tokei Tsukai" no Boku wa Shokunin Guild kara Oidasareru mo, Dungeon no Shinbu de Shin mo Chikara ni Kakusei suru - Vol. 1 Ch…

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so basically
the sister is the one that gets the best ending seeing as how she wasn't graped or mentally broken AND she managed to stay close to her loved one aka MC meanwhile the other one is used goods who decides to die because she's tired of her shit life aka no repentance from herself and then there's the fiance who also fucked up and ends up banished to the middle of no where while I'm guessing waiting for MC to eventually find her again
The biggest issue with the two girls around MC is the fact that they trusted what others said regarding MC even though they had known him the longest since his childhood.
Aka., all those years of knowing each other amounts to nothing in face of rumors and faulty accusations.
As for the Sister, well while other series typically show how hard and difficult Tsundere's are while still being lovable, but atleast this one showed how that situation socially affects those around them is like especially to the person they like.

either way everything is so lack luster that it almost makes everything that they did as if nothing happened :shamihuh:
Well that's how it is in the Web Novel.
Now have to see how it's in the Light Novel & Manga.

Well the Manga Raw is currently at Ch.19, so I can say that atleast the Sister's part is same until half, aka., she finds MC and starts stalking him, eventually tries to harm herself and gets saved by MC, with the latest Chapter ending with showcasing MC mentally suffering from trauma caused indirectly by his sister.

The Childhood Friend is also shown to have learned the truth and is mentally trapped by the Hero, while the Shop Lady gets kidnapped, learns the truth and turned Sex Slave.


By the way, in typical Japanese Man style story writing, MC is still a virgin while all the other guys enjoy their sex lives. Since the typical notion regarding this had always been that good guys don't have sex or interested in opposite gender in sexual manner.
 
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Well that's how it is in the Web Novel.
Now have to see how it's in the Light Novel & Manga.

Well the Manga Raw is currently at Ch.19, so I can say that atleast the Sister's part is same until half, aka., she finds MC and starts stalking him, eventually tries to harm herself and gets saved by MC, with the latest Chapter ending with showcasing MC mentally suffering from trauma caused indirectly by his sister.

The Childhood Friend is also shown to have learned the truth and is mentally trapped by the Hero, while the Shop Lady gets kidnapped, learns the truth and turned Sex Slave.


By the way, in typical Japanese Man style story writing, MC is still a virgin while all the other guys enjoy their sex lives. Since the typical notion regarding this had always been that good guys don't have sex or interested in opposite gender in sexual manner.
Yea idk why some authors do this type of shit as in Good guys = Purist its almost to the point that I feel like its a Buddhist monk writing the story LMAO :lul:
 
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Yea idk why some authors do this type of shit as in Good guys = Purist its almost to the point that I feel like its a Buddhist monk writing the story LMAO :lul:
Well it's real life societal norm as well.

I mean, in many cultures which focus heavily on religious notions (like conservative Christians), sexual interaction is considered as impure, and only people who don't fear God or pray to the devil engage in it.

Even sexual relationship between married couple are seen as impure, and is considered that couples should only engage in sexual activities for childbearing (in the most simplest form of sexual activity) and they should avoid doing it for anything else.
 
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Well it's real life societal norm as well.

I mean, in many cultures which focus heavily on religious notions (like conservative Christians), sexual interaction is considered as impure, and only people who don't fear God or pray to the devil engage in it.

Even sexual relationship between married couple are seen as impure, and is considered that couples should only engage in sexual activities for childbearing (in the most simplest form of sexual activity) and they should avoid doing it for anything else.
Real life societal norm? I'm pretty sure a BIG portion of people are non religious also even if they are it doesn't mean a big portion of them think about sex after marriage only, idk where your getting this info from.

I get what your saying but I completely disagree that its a big part of societal norm and religion, I think the reason why we see it mostly in manga is because the authors are mostly virgins who don't socialize, don't really talk to women AND don't have time for romance thx to asain society issues and its getting worse and worse over time. :shamihuh:
 
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I think the reason why we see it mostly in manga is because the authors are mostly virgins who don't socialize, don't really talk to women AND don't have time for romance thx to asain society issues and its getting worse and worse over time. :shamihuh:
But the reality is actually different.
A lot of the Authors are actually married in real life or have a girlfriend and talk to women.
You can actually clearly understand the type of relationship a Author has with the stories they write.

Majority of Virgin Japanese Authors actually write sexual plot stories and hentai stuff in general. Aka., series in which MC has sex a lot. You can even get a hint of this because of the ostentatious way the sex scenes are drawn.

While Authors who showcase that MC doesn't have sex with Women while other men in the story do it, are usually those who are in a relationship in real life.

Real life societal norm? I'm pretty sure a BIG portion of people are non religious also even if they are it doesn't mean a big portion of them think about sex after marriage only, idk where your getting this info from.

I get what your saying but I completely disagree that its a big part of societal norm and religion
It's actually the opposite.
A big portion of people are actually more religious in their beliefs than you think, though it's not all immediately apparently.

While the concept of sexual relationship had changed in the years, and many do engage in it prior to marriage, but the overall percentage is not that high as one might think (i would say that's it's around 50-50 currently considering whole population of the world).

Plus, those who engage in sexual activities do have a subconscious fear of some level that they are doing something wrong as they believe that they are going against gods teachings. This is especially common notion with Women.
 
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Hello!! I Zumina pick this up because my friend said so and this manga has already a lot of chapter if you want for updates I made a new discord server you all can join it
oh humble person, could i get in to your discord too? i wait fvkin half of year and basically forget about this manga. the premise is good. and i want to see if this mc gonna go hajime kind of personality or going down to just nerd loser harem mc who always making an excuse to not kill anyone until he get hurt by them first once again
 
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Well, if anyone is interested here is what happens in the WN (not sure if it would remain same in Manga as well).

- MC ends up buying a Slave Girl who has the "Heretic" Job, which immediately made her enemy on the Church. Later it's learned that her power is a lot stronger than a Saint, and there is something really wrong going on with the Skill Granting Church.

- The Little Sister is a Hardcore Tsundere and can't talk straight when it comes to her Older Brother, and ends up badmouthing her brother infront of other Guild Members who take her embarrassment hiding comments as reality and starts having negative opinion about her Brother (which is what we see in previous chapter). She eventually meets MC and starts stalking him, but when she understands that her brother can't stand her, she tries to jump of an edge to suffer the same as MC, but he manages to save her. Later it's revealed that MC has sort of become traumatized by what the sister did and can't easily stay with her. Eventually things calm down and MC ends up making his Little Sister his Slave because she is technically on run. Turns out, she had been planning to marry her older brother, so in order to accomplish that, she lets herself get adopted by a Noble as Nobles are allowed to marry with blood relative to preserve bloodline. But because of her badmouthing MC, everyone misunderstand the situation including her Adoptive Father (who is a Guild Master), who ends up saving the money she was sending to her brother instead as he felt that she was getting exploited by him. In rage she ends up attacking her Adoptive Father and blowing up the Guild, so Little Sister is technically a Criminal, and MC makes her a Convict Slave to keep tab on her.

- Shop Lady still trusting that Rapist guy falls in his trap and gets abducted and turned into a Sex Slave. Later when that guy gets bored of her, he sells her to bandits who in return sells her to Illegal Slave Trader who then sells her to a Village who buys her as a Sex Slave as the Village is suffering from Female shortage and Men leaving the Village for Big Cities or turning Adventurers and putting their life on the line. MC eventually meets her, but she is not mentally stable and ends up getting severely injured and dies but gets resurrected, but her resurrection wasn't perfect and she turns into a Monster like being. As a last wish she asks her soul to be released and she ends up dead (basically, seems like Author removed her from the scene as she is pretty much a heavily used goods by this point of the story as she had been used by a lot of people).

- Saint learning about the embezzlement and also the fact that Hero was a fraud, but she has already slept with him (as she thought that he was a good guy and her savior and even had fallen in love with him) and he basically breaks her mentally saying that even if MC might be alive it wouldn't be hard for a Noble like him to get a Commoner killed. So, she basically gives up and ends up doing whatever the Hero demands as a means of receiving punishment. Eventually because of the involvement of the current King's Grandmother (whose Clock MC repaired before), King is forced to act on the stuff that Hero had committed and he was sent to the front-line to fight (he wasn't openly convicted for the crimes though), while Saint as a punishment is sent to another dangerous area as a support staff.

- MC's mother eventually gets fed up with the Noble after whom she went after, and when she returns she learns about the situation and immediately trusts that MC was falsely accused. But she had a hard time living a normal life for being the Mother of a culprit but eventually she manages to find work at a Church Orphanage and decides to stay there even after reuniting with MC.

- The Officer guy eventually gets caught and punished for his crime, including the crime that the Hero committed (King didn't want to openly convict the Hero, so he pushed all his crime on the Officer guy). He is publicly punished by Commoner beating him up (including MC's mother), but as he didn't consider that he was at fault, his soul ends up becoming a monster inside a dungeon after he dies, and that monster is eventually defeated by MC.
TF? really? so it's another lame nerd virgin ahh puzzy mc again? dude said revenge but can't get his shlt straight like raoul? man this age is suck, why people always make an loser mc? it's really really rare to find huh? a manga that had actual chad and get his shlt straight kind of MC. why people can't copy Raoul mindset and personality when it comes to revenge plot story? a revenge plot is suppossed to be satisfying, not some blueball plot that turn around back to the romcom shlt.
 
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a revenge plot is suppossed to be satisfying, not some blueball plot that turn around back to the romcom shlt.
Because in majority of case they don't want to showcase MC seeking revenge against another person, as socially it's not an acceptable notion (people in real life always say to give up on hate and revenge).

Plus, they want to force the notion and teaching that, bad people always get hit by Karma for the bad stuff they gave done or going to do, so everyone should always be nice.

Like in this series, basically everyone who had wronged MC get hit by Karma one way or another, long before MC could even get involved with them for his revenge, and he basically does a clean up at the end.

Remember, this is a Shounen series, aka., a Manga made for primarily Japanese boys within the age group of 8-19. So, they use this as a medium to teach social ethics.
 
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Well, if anyone is interested here is what happens in the WN (not sure if it would remain same in Manga as well).

- MC ends up buying a Slave Girl who has the "Heretic" Job, which immediately made her enemy on the Church. Later it's learned that her power is a lot stronger than a Saint, and there is something really wrong going on with the Skill Granting Church.

- The Little Sister is a Hardcore Tsundere and can't talk straight when it comes to her Older Brother, and ends up badmouthing her brother infront of other Guild Members who take her embarrassment hiding comments as reality and starts having negative opinion about her Brother (which is what we see in previous chapter). She eventually meets MC and starts stalking him, but when she understands that her brother can't stand her, she tries to jump of an edge to suffer the same as MC, but he manages to save her. Later it's revealed that MC has sort of become traumatized by what the sister did and can't easily stay with her. Eventually things calm down and MC ends up making his Little Sister his Slave because she is technically on run. Turns out, she had been planning to marry her older brother, so in order to accomplish that, she lets herself get adopted by a Noble as Nobles are allowed to marry with blood relative to preserve bloodline. But because of her badmouthing MC, everyone misunderstand the situation including her Adoptive Father (who is a Guild Master), who ends up saving the money she was sending to her brother instead as he felt that she was getting exploited by him. In rage she ends up attacking her Adoptive Father and blowing up the Guild, so Little Sister is technically a Criminal, and MC makes her a Convict Slave to keep tab on her.

- Shop Lady still trusting that Rapist guy falls in his trap and gets abducted and turned into a Sex Slave. Later when that guy gets bored of her, he sells her to bandits who in return sells her to Illegal Slave Trader who then sells her to a Village who buys her as a Sex Slave as the Village is suffering from Female shortage and Men leaving the Village for Big Cities or turning Adventurers and putting their life on the line. MC eventually meets her, but she is not mentally stable and ends up getting severely injured and dies but gets resurrected, but her resurrection wasn't perfect and she turns into a Monster like being. As a last wish she asks her soul to be released and she ends up dead (basically, seems like Author removed her from the scene as she is pretty much a heavily used goods by this point of the story as she had been used by a lot of people).

- Saint learning about the embezzlement and also the fact that Hero was a fraud, but she has already slept with him (as she thought that he was a good guy and her savior and even had fallen in love with him) and he basically breaks her mentally saying that even if MC might be alive it wouldn't be hard for a Noble like him to get a Commoner killed. So, she basically gives up and ends up doing whatever the Hero demands as a means of receiving punishment. Eventually because of the involvement of the current King's Grandmother (whose Clock MC repaired before), King is forced to act on the stuff that Hero had committed and he was sent to the front-line to fight (he wasn't openly convicted for the crimes though), while Saint as a punishment is sent to another dangerous area as a support staff.

- MC's mother eventually gets fed up with the Noble after whom she went after, and when she returns she learns about the situation and immediately trusts that MC was falsely accused. But she had a hard time living a normal life for being the Mother of a culprit but eventually she manages to find work at a Church Orphanage and decides to stay there even after reuniting with MC.

- The Officer guy eventually gets caught and punished for his crime, including the crime that the Hero committed (King didn't want to openly convict the Hero, so he pushed all his crime on the Officer guy). He is publicly punished by Commoner beating him up (including MC's mother), but as he didn't consider that he was at fault, his soul ends up becoming a monster inside a dungeon after he dies, and that monster is eventually defeated by MC.
Lets hope they change up what happens to the shop lady and saint because that is such a lame way to resolve their arcs.
 
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Patch 2.109b = Dev/God: "We trully apologize for the MC for tragic and badluck, So we enhance His edginess and Buff some Major skill and Passive, and Adjusted some of stats like traumatic lock for women, so mc can remain chaste for eternity"
 
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Wow, it feels like the author is mentally retarded. as in diagnosed with an IQ under 75.
 
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looks promising enough, let's see if they actually stick to the ILL GET REVENGE ON EVERYONE plot and not devolve into boring romcom shit

It was already stated he will become a hero. So, he won't be getting revenge on anyone, probably.
 

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