Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[yogurtman250]

The problem goes deeper than simply saying, “just go somewhere else.”

Many people use MD as their main source of content, relying on their follows and the ease of tracking what they’re reading. Some users have also contributed, directly or indirectly, to building the site over the years, whether as readers, group leaders, contributors, or in other roles. For many, it has been their online home since the beginning.

Having this decision made by staff members who have been on the site for less time than many of its users, and without any clear justification so far, naturally makes long-time members feel upset and frustrated. Those who feel attached to the site have every reason to voice their concerns, even more when they are treated as "pedos" because of some drawings.

Over time, people may move elsewhere, especially if things continue in this direction. But as has happened with many sites before, users will usually try to fix the problem first before accepting that nothing can be done.

I'd imagine some type of "containment" will be breached after this, and all the users who like these type of shit will go on to other sites and spread their stuff there

 

[LilithRaven]

I agree with the frustration about how this was handled, but the only reason anyone is on this site is because they decided to be here. Everyone on this thread or on this site is free to go somewhere else with no consequences at all.

You have been licking that MD mods boot for hours since this thread got started

 

[Venator-H]

Do not forget that the content in question was uploaded from the very founding of this site. You can still browse the oldest chapters in chronological upload order, number one being the first chapter uploaded to the site.

NSFW for obvious reasons.
Number 1,2,3 used to be up but who knows when it was purged.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/4
https://mangadex.org/chapter/5
https://mangadex.org/chapter/6
https://mangadex.org/chapter/7
https://mangadex.org/chapter/8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/9
https://mangadex.org/chapter/12
https://mangadex.org/chapter/13
https://mangadex.org/chapter/14
https://mangadex.org/chapter/15
https://mangadex.org/chapter/16
https://mangadex.org/chapter/17
...etc.

If the policy has changed to exclude such content, I think it's quite literally erasing the foundations of this site.

 

[ShujixXChise]

GUYS, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP SHITTING ON MANGADEX AND THE MODS OVER THIS!!!


Because I can't upvotes them fast enough.

No, they need to be shit on for letting a power tripping mod call people paedophile over fiction and making some bullshit excuse to remove a manga by some bullshit uk law which doesn't apply to a pirate site. YOU DENSE MF!

 

[LilHoodie]

Do not forget that the content in question was uploaded from the very founding of this site. You can still browse the oldest chapters in chronological upload order, number one being the first chapter uploaded to the site.

NSFW for obvious reasons.
Number 1,2,3 used to be up but who knows when it was purged.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/4
https://mangadex.org/chapter/5
https://mangadex.org/chapter/6
https://mangadex.org/chapter/7
https://mangadex.org/chapter/8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/9
https://mangadex.org/chapter/12
https://mangadex.org/chapter/13
https://mangadex.org/chapter/14
https://mangadex.org/chapter/15
https://mangadex.org/chapter/16
https://mangadex.org/chapter/17
...etc.

If the policy has changed to exclude such content, I think it's quite literally erasing the foundations of this site.

Good stuff, thanks for the recommendations

 

[Angry_Panda]

The problem goes deeper than simply saying, “just go somewhere else.”

Many people use MD as their main source of content, relying on their follows and the ease of tracking what they’re reading. Some users have also contributed, directly or indirectly, to building the site over the years, whether as readers, group leaders, contributors, or in other roles. For many, it has been their online home since the beginning.

Having this decision made by staff members who have been on the site for less time than many of its users, and without any clear justification so far, naturally makes long-time members feel upset and frustrated. Those who feel attached to the site have every reason to voice their concerns, even more when they are treated as "pedos" because of some drawings.

Over time, people may move elsewhere, especially if things continue in this direction. But as has happened with many sites before, users will usually try to fix the problem first before accepting that nothing can be done.

Again, I don't disagree with the frustration and some of the anger over this. It was not handled especially well. But the sunk cost fallacy that so many of the commenters here are falling into is just that - a fallacy. Only the owners of the site have any real stake in it - while a huge number of users including myself have spent time and energy here, and relied on the database as a way to organize their reading, we have no 'rights' in any real sense. This is how the internet is today. I don't like it, but I have learned to accept it.

You have been licking that MD mods boot for hours since this thread got started

I am a supporter for a reason. This recent development has not persuaded me to end that support.

 

[MajinChainsawDihh]

Stop the misinformation. Titles being removed depict sexual activity between characters that are minors, either in appearance (handled on a case-by-case basis) or confirmed in the dialogue. It's about law and compliance with it. If you jerk it off to little kids, go and do it elsewhere; there are sites that specialise in that.

Respectfully go fuck yourself you high and mighty weasel

 

[ShujixXChise]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.


The stray cat girl series contained a high-school girl, which was ambiguous enough to be included. I'm not aware of any official content confirming her as over 18 and the scanlator did not provide any when I spoke to them.



Please see:


I won't bother with further "what about x series" replies.


If you believe there is anything wrong with what you quoted, spell it out. I don't mind replying if people are being civil, but if you're just gonna vaguepost and insult me you're just getting banned.


MD is a non-profit project, but the costs are still running. We gotta do what we gotta do. And as stated back in the takedown FAQ, one of the reasons for coming under NC management was due to the legal framework to handle claims like these.


Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.


Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

No this sounds like more of a excuse to unfairly remove manga YOU deem "problematic" because in truth you want to have your cake and eat it too and get paid for it but your ignoring one thing, lolicons / shotacons own you because without us anime/manga wouldn't exist.

 

[Bartolumiu]

I always try to take a respectful approach, because it helps others see your point as more neutral and reasonable. Attacking someone personally usually only weakens your argument.

Yep, tbf, we appreciate people like that, since it's pretty much how discussions should be instead of just attacking one another.

However, in this case, the issue began with the staff member himself when he called everyone who was trying to understand the situation “pedophiles” over drawings. That kind of accusation opens the door for people to respond just as harshly, since he started with one of the lowest insults he could use.

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Keep in mind, his comment was not directed at a single person, but at anyone who reads manga that includes loli characters. Given that, I can understand why some people are responding disrespectfully at this point and I'm not one to judge.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[ShujixXChise]

Again.

Just like Pixiv is a Japanese Company also based in California and they host >1 Million loli works and do not have to remove them solely due to zoning and setting your location.

You guys can do the same rather than ignorantly bending the knee and removing legal content.

Edit: Also, the "apology" is empty. The moment you falsely accuse people of the most heinous shit entirely over a cartoon, you lose any credibility.

HERE HERE Sir, HERE HERE!

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

Yep, tbf, we appreciate people like that, since it's pretty much how discussions should be instead of just attacking one another.

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?

 

[ShujixXChise]

I do frequent nh a lot, and my list there is bigger than here, but nh (I don't know about hitomi) is an aggregator and fully unorganized. The nice thing about MD is that it's a source for scanlations and nicely organized for tracking.

Yeah its not to bad and you don't have shitty mods like these removing manga/doujins because they can't tell fiction from reality. Also a lot of stuff from mangadex is also on Hitomi too.

 

[yogurtman250]

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?

She's someone from NamiComi I believe, judging on how she spent her time talking in self-published comics only. She'll probably won't go down without a fight

 

[Bartolumiu]

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?

We mods are on the lowest level, so the only options for us is to follow orders from above.

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

We mods are on the lowest level, so the only options for us is to follow orders from above.

so you mean there a simp of her in the higher bracket, totally understandable since lot of otaku nerd are single male.

 

[cystericosis]

We mods are on the lowest level, so the only options for us is to follow orders from above.

At the bottom of the totem pole, the balls on the dick as they say

 

[Owyoushotme]

Again, I don't disagree with the frustration and some of the anger over this. It was not handled especially well. But the sunk cost fallacy that so many of the commenters here are falling into is just that - a fallacy. Only the owners of the site have any real stake in it - while a huge number of users including myself have spent time and energy here, and relied on the database as a way to organize their reading, we have no 'rights' in any real sense. This is how the internet is today. I don't like it, but I have learned to accept it.

I am a supporter for a reason. This recent development has not persuaded me to end that support.

I'm a supporter too, I dont agree with you. This is a piracy site, a site that wouldn't exist without people who follow it. If enough of us all agree that the decision of the staff are shit, and we all leave. That would be bad for everyone.

 

[ShujixXChise]

Seriously, whenever someone said "2D Lolicons are filthy PDFiles". The next months or years a news reporting the same person who said that was arrested for inserting defiled a real child.

Meanwhile, the 2D Lolicons are mostly people with more common sense. They don't do crimes with real human.

Oh wait, do we just discover the biggest shame in humanity in millions of email and files ? The perpetrator only likes yuri and beastiality tag but we don't find evidence the real predator likes 2D child violated and impregnated by old man which is abundant in Japan.

And we lolicons hate paedophiles the most and actively expose real paedophiles so that they can get caught by the police because we absolutely hate and despise them especially those are apologists because 9/10 they usually end up being one.

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

As someone who watch doki fansub since the early days even before MD is a thing, the current MD really makes me disappointed. Well, Time changed after all.

I'm not a lolicon, but how you guys dealing with thing clearly have no PR training.
Like it or not loli/shota/ecchi are an integral part, and it was even more daring back before the 2000s especially for the OVA and manga.

 

[cyberfriend]

What would I know about it? I'm only given orders
Us mods are literally at the lowest level of the staff chain of command...

You are still an accomplice in the end of the day