Fukushuu o Koinegau Saikyou Yuusha wa, Yami no Chikara de Senmetsu Musou Suru - Ch. 134

[UncleKaos]

to think to hate a kid SO much that people is in hurry to try to kill her to gain the queen's favor.
So the maids, doctor and possible a butler tried to kill her. oh they must be SOOOO proud to kill someone so young.
pathetic people.

and no. it only changes one thing or two. sympathy and understanding why she did all that shitty thing. No wonder she turned out like that. anyone who went though that would turn insane or angry like hell.

yes she has been punished and still is being punished. she is married to Raoul doesnt mean she is protected. she is just being put in a new form of punishment. but i think that there is a chance for her to redeem herself. but she has to do it herself.

 

[Tsumi]

We get it Schale. Hitl-I mean Victoria did nothing wrong.

All is forgiven.

Tragic backstory, oh poor thing. We forgive all the horrendous shit she did like having Raouls sister gangraped, tortured, killed. Not to mention she was pregnant.

Manipulation, like the Saintes. That excuses everything. Who cares that so many innocent people were killed by her, families destroyed, children left orphaned. it's like drugs or driving under the influence. She wasn't in control of her actions, so fuck it. Let her go.

One person getting rightfully tortured for a few years in return is totally appropriate recompense. A few years punishment totally equals hundreds of lives being cut short and others left to suffer. She's definitely been punished enough and now deserves a great life with god Raoul.

hahaha, and people wonder why things are so bad with crime in the real world and its getting worse. "Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent". I bet all the money in the world if the people defending Victoria had even a sliver of the shit done to them that she did to others. They'd be singing quite the different tune.

It's called understanding nuance, perspectives, and motivations. Things are not an easy black or white judgement.

In the context of this fictional world, we see Victoria being conditioned at a very young age to think that there is no such thing as a genuinely good person. Either have power and dominate everyone as the queen is doing, or be killed. Anyone that doesn't submit is a potential enemy. Breaking out of this mentality wouldn't be something she could do on her own. It would require a genuinely good person patiently and persistently trying to get them to see things differently, a process that can take years with trauma like this.

In the context of the real world, the severity of the crime and the conditions that lead up to it absolutely matter in determining the punishment and response. You wouldn't jail a malnourished and neglected kid for repeatedly stealing food- you try to take them out of the situation that's pushing them to do it. On the other hand, an adult that repeatedly steals due to greed absolutely deserves jail time. Even for more heinous crimes, would you judge someone that went on a killing spree of abusive cult leaders the same way you would someone that just randomly murdered everyone in a park for the fun of it? Clearly you don't judge them the same because you have no problems with Raoul torturing and killing morally reprehensible people.

 

[Grailm]

It's called understanding nuance, perspectives, and motivations. Things are not an easy black or white judgement.

In the context of this fictional world, we see Victoria being conditioned at a very young age to think that there is no such thing as a genuinely good person. Either have power and dominate everyone as the queen is doing, or be killed. Anyone that doesn't submit is a potential enemy. Breaking out of this mentality wouldn't be something she could do on her own. It would require a genuinely good person patiently and persistently trying to get them to see things differently, a process that can take years with trauma like this.

In the context of the real world, the severity of the crime and the conditions that lead up to it absolutely matter in determining the punishment and response. You wouldn't jail a malnourished and neglected kid for repeatedly stealing food- you try to take them out of the situation that's pushing them to do it. On the other hand, an adult that repeatedly steals due to greed absolutely deserves jail time. Even for more heinous crimes, would you judge someone that went on a killing spree of abusive cult leaders the same way you would someone that just randomly murdered everyone in a park for the fun of it? Clearly you don't judge them the same because you have no problems with Raoul torturing and killing morally reprehensible people.

You are trying to frame things as if she didnt kill and torture innocent people. As if she only killed people who deserved it. I can see what you are trying to do by equating Victorias actions as if she killed evil cult leaders. And don't pretend you weren't trying to do this, because why bring such a point up that isn't equitable to her. Not to mention you trying to soften things by first equating some poor starving person stealing, as if its anyway whether agree or disagree on the same level as the horrendous shit she did.

She isn't someone who should get a lighter sentence because of her backstory. What she did in return wasnt her stealing to feed her starving malnourished belly and you know this. Nor is she someone who only killed and tortured the guilty. Stop with the false equivalency.

 

[blulaz]

"Please like Victoria"

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

"She has a tragic backstory! you have to forgive her!" nah, 100 chapters after idgaf, pointless redemption is pointless.

Rather have a redemption than more brainless revenge porn tbh.

Its fun, but its also more interesting to see that the people Raoul hates aren’t just born evil.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

You are trying to frame things as if she didnt kill and torture innocent people. As if she only killed people who deserved it. I can see what you are trying to do by equating Victorias actions as if she killed evil cult leaders. And don't pretend you weren't trying to do this, because why bring such a point up that isn't equitable to her. Not to mention you trying to soften things by first equating some poor starving person stealing, as if its anyway whether agree or disagree on the same level as the horrendous shit she did.

She isn't someone who should get a lighter sentence because of her backstory. What she did in return wasnt her stealing to feed her starving malnourished belly and you know this. Nor is she someone who only killed and tortured the guilty. Stop with the false equivalency.

I mean even canonically…

The worst thing she’s done is kill her siblings and be rude to people.

The Rape, Torture, and whatever else was revealed very early on the be the Goddess of Love and Saintess Minfucking her and possessing her body.

(Literally a spell no mortal can resist against and made to make the affected person to lose all sense of self control)

Her punishment was also the most horrific…abandoned by everyone then literally getting invaded and eaten by insects daily for years on end.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

Im still stuck on the part where she’s the second anime girl who canonically got bugussy (sakura from fate is the first)

There’s an entire anime of that…genre…

I forgot its name buts its some fucked up stuff…

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

The issue with the idea of redemption for her at this point, is that we've had an entire arc about Raoul measuring how tainted people's souls are. If there were some possibility of undoing said taint through extended periods of suffering, he'd presumably have done that instead of just instantly brutally murdering them and sending them to hell. And hell has explicitly been stated to be a one way trip during the bit with the saintess. As far as has been established, this "soul taint" stuff is simply permanent.

So while little Vicky here was a good girl who didn't deserve any of this shit, no amount of crucified bugfood delivery service is going to make her adult soul better. Anything short of her memories being completely rewritten with those of her childhood self would be kind of a cop-out. People aren't mad she has a sad backstory, they're mad that it's generally going to be used to make Raoul forgive her. Then again Raoul might just go "yeah so, I don't give a fuck time to punish her some more lol" anyway.

Personally I think this misses the point that after Death Raoul looks at the world through the lens of

Victims and Abusers.

Like you could argue for example that Sandra of all people could’ve been redeemed as her biggest issue was the princess and no princess no issue.

Or the fact that the Saintess doesn’t think what she’s doing is wrong until she’s sees everyone in hell and immediately realized she fucked up.

For Raoul he doesn’t care if they have a change of heart. The moment they become an abuser their “tainted” and need to be punished accordingly.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

I feel like most of the Victoria hate at this point just comes from the fact that they like Theodora more and that they feel threatened.

Yeah logically there acting like her being drugged by the goddess and forcibly possessed into raping Raoul is her doing because…

“She liked Raoul”

Then ignore how the Goddess magic removes all self control from a person and isn’t something an ordinary mortal like Victoria can resist.

 

[GoddessofBeauty]

I am poisoned, I can't help but be a victim of the 'forced to love Vicky' syndrome

 

[OogieBoogie]

"i don't care about her past, she committed greater sins" " we'll only consider if she was manipulated" well? are ya happy now? she's crying her eyes out... she's being poisoned... she was stabbed... and then manipulated... does that clear your doubt now?... i dare one person to still argue

EDIT: since some ppl lack comprehension, I'm not saying her crimes never existed or stuff like that... i mean she has already been punished more than enough for those... we are now looking at what promoted her actions... some ppl just keep hating like she decided to be evil for no reasons... at this point she already deserves the forgiveness, you're just clouded by hate for the her you first met... you've gotten a reason for the actions, and she has received her punishment... what more do you want?

Alright, I'll admit I was one of the naysayers in regards to Victoria's redemption. Sure she did some messed up things, but the author managed to give her the perfect upbringing to sort of justify it. Girl was never shown an ounce of love, was openly hated, and was nearly killed dozens of times and she was helpless. I thought she was simply neglected with a one-time assassination attempt. That'll teach me to try and comprehend how dark this story is.

I hereby admit I was completely wrong. Victoria may have grown up to be a monster, but considering her brutal past and obvious manipulation by the gods, it's completely understandable......

 

[blablablub]

That's not how you do it, author. You don't make a hateful character, show us how dreadful she is and then play the terrible childhood card after 130+ chapters.

 

[Hyperkinesis]

Oh my god, they really ARE trying to redeem Victoria. I figured it would happen eventually, you can only do the whole revenge shtick for so long before it devolves into itself, but come on now... If you're gonna do this I'd wish you'd be more clever about it than trying to garner sympathy through the whole, "hurt people hurt people" angle.

I'm hoping that this genuinely results in Raoul going, "Oh yeah? Well, fuck you anyway" and not give a shit about her Sad Backstory™ then German suplex her soul into oblivion XDXDXD After three entire chapters of Vickie's backstory, that would be the craziest setup I've ever seen. It isn't great from a storytelling standpoint, since Chekhov's gun and all that, but would be funny as fuck.

 

[alto129]

Sad backstory all (not) good and well but how is Theodora doing
please let her be fine the next time we see her

even though considering the nature of this manga could very well have broken her already

that's my expectations after expecting how this author just like to screw with everyone, their readers included

Also, Theodora have already broken once. Maybe twice. I think twice.

 

[sp0ffee]

Yeah ... but that doesnt mean shes all innocent for what all she did even though she had fair reason. sure i guess...the author just had to do this type of twist huh...

 

[Homuranagi]

But how can you say it was really all on victoria when she was manipulated and corrupted? if Raoul snips this evil corrupted victoria from that sweet little victoria that she could have been then that's a redemption of her soul, the soul can be corrupted black and also purified white as well

 

[AkodoRyu]

I think she and Raoul aren't that different - they were both persecuted for no fault of their own - it's just that he got more power, presumably from another god that wanted to fuck over local gods, and she was manipulated into being their toy instead. They are both monsters. And with us knowing how much god's mindfuckery was involved, I don't think it's justifiable to punish her more after this point. He needs to focus on the big guys who were actually responsible.

 

[Mangamoz]

This arc seems kind of pointless, when the current Raul would not give a fuck about her past. He has done some pretty awful things himself, empathy is long gone in his heart.

 

[Liquidxlax]

"i don't care about her past, she committed greater sins" " we'll only consider if she was manipulated" well? are ya happy now? she's crying her eyes out... she's being poisoned... she was stabbed... and then manipulated... does that clear your doubt now?... i dare one person to still argue

EDIT: since some ppl lack comprehension, I'm not saying her crimes never existed or stuff like that... i mean she has already been punished more than enough for those... we are now looking at what promoted her actions... some ppl just keep hating like she decided to be evil for no reasons... at this point she already deserves the forgiveness, you're just clouded by hate for the her you first met... you've gotten a reason for the actions, and she has received her punishment... what more do you want?

You can feel bad for her because she was 100% innocent here. She was innocent until she started becoming like the rest.

 

[aruuga]

Thanks for the update, can wait to read more victoria arc redemtion. I think victoria from now on onwoard, she will behave, not like his father or the people that raoul give their second chance.