Akuyaku Reijou no Oyome-sama - Vol. 3 Ch. 15

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You aren't very good at understanding people, are you?
More like I don't try to make something up when reading in between the lines, at least not without some evidence. And when I do look between the lines, there's nothing within the story to actively counter or disprove it. That's the thing with the people saying that she never wanted revenge. Both the story and Karina illustrated that she wanted, and when she had the chance to get it she backed out of it. So any time I see people saying that Karina didn't want revenge, I have to question what story they've been reading.

How she's feeling now gives us insight into her desires and needs before now.
Yeah no... We saw how she was feeling before. The story literally spelled it out. But you want to ignore it for whatever reason in favor of 'Karina didn't know what she want' or 'she wants to make up with her sister but doesn't know it'. If we saw some signs of this early on, then sure. But we didn't.
 
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Both the story and Karina illustrated that she wanted, and when she had the chance to get it she backed out of it.
The story has repeatedly shown otherwise. You're simply unwilling to read it critically and see characters desires and motivations beyond what they say and think.
Yeah no... We saw how she was feeling before. The story literally spelled it out.
We did see how she was feeling before: Deeply hurt. The idea that she wanted revenge came from that hurt, but it was always her guessing at her own desires, not her actually desiring that. Again, this is something the story has communicated many times including in this chapter.
 
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To be fair, most people are not. Might come from experience. Ability to put oneself into the shoes of other. Plus people are not always readable. I wouldn't make more of it than having different opinion. Having to learn other people's point of view is valuable too. Only Author knows the true intentions.
The other side of it, is that clearly there are people here who have been able to parse what the author's been doing with the story. So saying "only the author can know" is, frankly, not quite the truth either.

And yet there are several very loud persistent voices who seem either unable or unwilling to grasp that, and then turn around and call it "poor writing". That starts becoming less of a difference of opinion and more of a seemingly insistent refusal to actually consider that, just maybe, they've had it objectively wrong this whole time.

This isn't saying the author's writing a 10/10 story from an objective, unassailable standpoint. But actually getting details incorrect, building a faulty argument off those errors, then arguing that the author can't write as an extrapolation from there, is imbecilic.
 
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months of nothingburger, and now we get served a poop on a stick.
we got nothing but hot air and again, this current chapter is also a whole lot of nothing.

Increasingly convinced some of you are just not reading the story and coming here to whine about whatever fabrication you've concocted in your heads.
 
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Huh... what im most interested in is seeing how well the Librarian wolf girl is gonna hold up against her. Shes got some fighting experience from protecting her hometown girl but she's probably been a librarian for a bit longer... I think she can do it though

itd moreso be a problem if the sister and librarian wolf girl brought a battallion with them and thats just a recipe for disaster if so. ;p (im not good with names)

Pretty cool tho! ty for the TL!
 
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The other side of it, is that clearly there are people here who have been able to parse what the author's been doing with the story. So saying "only the author can know" is, frankly, not quite the truth either.

And yet there are several very loud persistent voices who seem either unable or unwilling to grasp that, and then turn around and call it "poor writing". That starts becoming less of a difference of opinion and more of a seemingly insistent refusal to actually consider that, just maybe, they've had it objectively wrong this whole time.

This isn't saying the author's writing a 10/10 story from an objective, unassailable standpoint. But actually getting details incorrect, building a faulty argument off those errors, then arguing that the author can't write as an extrapolation from there, is imbecilic.
That is not what I meant by "only the author knows."

Readers can interpret the story, obviously. I already gave my interpretation above, and I think it's actually fairly close to yours: Karina might believe revenge will somehow fix the actual wound underneath, even when she doesn't really understand what the wound is herself.

The interview also supports that Karina hides feelings even from herself, so this interpretation is not coming from nowhere. But it still doesn't tell us exactly what those hidden, or not understood, feeling are. It doesn't directly say that Karina never wanted revenge, or that what she truly wants is to repair her relationship with Aurora. That is still an interpretation.

And that is my point. Someone can see the same hints and still not be convinced that Karina's revenge was only hiding some deeper wish to make up with Aurora. That doesn't automatically means they objectively misread the story.

There is also difference between what the author intended and how clearly it was communicated.

We see young Karina being warm to Aurora and giving her the toy, which was hers. Then Karina is called cold, almost everyone hates her, saying she's hard to deal with, her relationship with Aurora is basically dead, and revenge becomes the thing keeping her going. But something between those states feels missing.

Did years of bullying make her cold? Was she actually cold, cruel, or was she only formal because she was trying to be the proper future queen? Why did everyone around her see her that way? Maybe it will be explained later. Maybe this ambiguity is intentional. But right now, it still feels like a part of the setup is missing.

That doesn't mean the whole story is bad. It might still become clear later. But saying that the storytelling didn't establish something well is not the same as refusing to engage with the story.

And several people agreeing with one interpretation doesn't suddenly make it objective fact. Unless you are secretly Akiko Kanawo, telepathy is not part of critical reading. You have an interpretation, same as the rest of us.
 
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The story has repeatedly shown otherwise. You're simply unwilling to read it critically and see characters desires and motivations beyond what they say and think.
No it hasn't. By that very logic, you can pretty much make up anything about the characters that would explain why they act the way they do regardless if it's explained by the story. Prince is an asshole who's trying to kill Karina out of spite? Nope, he's actually infatuated with her, but due to the pressure of the crown and his callous father, the prince doesn't know how to properly show his affection. Even his sending assassins was actually men who were supposed to safely escort Karina back to the fortress if she left. See how silly that works when you just make things up without actual evidence?

We did see how she was feeling before: Deeply hurt.
Deeply hurt. Deeply angered. Deeply frustrated. She was feeling a myriad of things, so take your pick. And those things have in common of being a cause for wanting retaliation or aka revenge. And no, she wasn't guessing at her desires. Like seriously, how'd you even get that? Her guessing at her desires would literally be her questioning if she really wanted revenge.
 
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Uh oh this is complicated. They both are trying to make sense of the situation but that seems to draw the most extreme conclusion... it's good that the previous chapter we got to see more of the princesses (Aurora and Karina) past and I guess is in Reshtoka's nature to be at this extreme.
I also really wonder what Karina mindset is at this point in the story and also would like more of Reshtoka's past. Why would an unfinished book mean so much for her? And this obsession and love? For Karina is so intense has everyones has mention so far. Does she think she will gain the ultimate happiness as long as they are together? Reshtoka's feel more of a mystery to me as the story goes on.


Thanks for the TL.
I feel like we do see a little bit in this chapter of Reshtoka's feelings. On page 17, it's a bit cut off, but you can see the fragment of Karina's smile as she feeds the puppy version of Reshtoka. I think that's supposed to be the moment she fell for Karina. All through the chapter she's frustrated at not knowing how to make her smile. Her only desire is to make Karina smile like she did from time to time before. But what Reshtoka doesn't know is that those smiles were simply a defense trained into Karina. Go back through volume 1 and you see how in love Reshtoka is after Karina smiles at her, telling her that she's her faithful partner all the while.

Aside from that, this chapter also provides the knowledge that Reshtoka's obsessive love is not unique and is a wolfkin cultural thing. But Reshtoka's been obsessing over a picture book since she was a child, and all of a sudden there's this apparently kind girl with a beautiful smile like she walked off the pages. It's no wonder she's hooked.

I do also appreciate the introspection that Reshtoka provides this chapter. All of volume 1 Karina sees herself as a stand-in, loved not for herself but for her role. Which is why she bites back at being told to smile. To be more "princess-like". But Reshtoka's confusion and anxiety shows that she wants Karina and Karina alone to be happy. It's not about being a princess, it's about being her Karina.

Although it's small, I appreciate that the culture clash introduced in vol 1 hasn't disappeared.
 
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This manga's problem is being too off-trope. Tropes are good because they are [EDIT] efficient shorthand for communicating roles, expectations, conflict, and likely direction [END EDIT], so people know where the story stands. This story doesn't do that.
I think the problem is theres like no off ramp without it being forced.
Only solution is if the author can smooth out how she falls in love with the wolf.

She gave up all she was asked for but everyone hates her and wants her dead.
Shes a nice person so killing them all isnt really something she wants. So revenge is off the table.
Also everyone there is an asshole so theres no she forgives them and they see the error of their ways.
So only option is she takes the highroad and ends off better without them which is totally doable.
She clearly has more power and loyal subjects now but the problem is she genuinely does not like them.
Like they can do whatever she wants and she still is racist.

So story needs to start addressing this instead of the weird book allegory of how the wolf gives the princess everything she wants but shes still unhappy(racist)
Also address that her love interest is basically coercing her into marrying her she doesnt have a choice
 
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By the goddess everyone is getting WAY too caught up in the debate and not actually just letting the author cook. How many times has this happened now? People complained about Aurora and judging her, then the story explained her side and you still complained about the explanation. Then Karina had her revenge and you all thought it was lame and you complained about that. Then you complained that Eve’s entire theory that it was following the book was wrong because Reshtoka was nice and not beastly and wasn’t going to kill Karina. So THIS chapter explained that there was no revenge Karina could have sought that would have soothed her heart and Reshtoka is going to kill Aurora, which will continue to fulfil the plot of the fairy tale, and what happens? YOU CONTINUE TO COMPLAIN.

What’s the alternative? Aurora was evil, Karina kills everyone, everyone is miserable, and the plot is so rote that a fifth grader could have done it?

If you’ve been paying attention, and just let the author cook, then it all gets explained as the story continues and it all makes sense. If it doesn’t make sense to you, I don’t think anything we or the author will explain will solve that for you.
 
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By the goddess everyone is getting WAY too caught up in the debate and not actually just letting the author cook.
I mean, nothing that is said here will have any effect on the mangaka's ability to deliver the story. Also, I'm enjoying reading some of these. Discussions are par for the course with stories like these.
 

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