Akuyaku Reijou no Oyome-sama - Vol. 2 Ch. 12

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How was there big slabs of rock all throughout the hall when they only broke some glass?
Reshtoka did her Roar Thing and brought parts of the ceiling down. (see ch.11, p.2)

She started an avalanche that buried first people, and then a castle, up in the north--she's shown to have some sort of power/ability in that respect.
 
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People going on about Karina's 'inadequacy' or that she didn't do anything last chapter; she didn't change people's minds but she wasn't really setting out to try that. She hardly reads like someone who cares enough about the people from her old life to undergo that sort of tedious and likely fruitless endeavor.

She reads more like she's, as Reshtoka clearly is in their relationship, lost.

Aurora comes out looking a little better after this chapter and her frigid exchanges with Orlando, but the idea that she's said nothing that might even imply care about Karina until now, let alone when her sister was being vilified, just emphasizes that poor communication is one of this story's overarching themes.
 
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People really just love doomposting about yuri I swear. You can't have any sort of development happen without people perking up their ears like rabbits going "axe? axe? axe? axe???"

That said it's really sad how Karina's just all alone with bags under her eyes. Her revenge didn't bring her any closure and now she looks so. Just. Empty. Like she has absolutely nothing left of agency. No will to her own limbs. No say in her own story.

I just want to give this girl a hug I swear.

It's pretty apparent that she was never going to get the sort of revenge she'd fantasized over. From the beginning, she never had a real say in her life--at the start, because she wanted to be a good daughter, struggling for her parents' affection and attention when Aurora was a sickly child given priority in all things (including the original engagement). As she grew and the yoke grew with her, the weight of everyone else's expectations--and their opinions and judgments--effectively broke her.
She thought she had friends, and allies, and family, and in the end she was carted off in a carriage with no one to see her off. Utterly alone, and she was the last to realize it.

This crashing of Aurora's wedding was a "look at me" moment. Not meant to kill people, but for Karina to take something from her sister, when everything had always been taken from her.
She's hurting badly, and puffing out her chest and faking bravado for the audience, but even after two years of effort, she lacks what she really needs, and she's too hung up on what she'd lost to know what to actually seek out.
 
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I probably guessed it, her revenge did consume her

I guess I was too optimistic to think that she won't let revenge consume her and when she gets revenge she's left empty
 
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People going on about Karina's 'inadequacy' or that she didn't do anything last chapter; she didn't change people's minds but she wasn't really setting out to try that. She hardly reads like someone who cares enough about the people from her old life to undergo that sort of tedious and likely fruitless endeavor.
I doubt anyone expected Karina to change people's mind or anything. And sure she's lost and directionless; however neither of which has anything to do with her revenge.

That's something I think some of you fail to understand; no one's asking Karina to massacre the entirety of the kingdom for the sake of it. By the point the series began, her revenge had became a focal point of her character, which later became a source of motivation for her. Now granted, she never did say what form that revenge would take, however the fact that she had entertained the idea of gathering a powerful army of beastfolk at least implied being willing waging some type of war (or at least deal some major damage to multiple structures). Even if it was a fancy thought that she never intended to indulge, we're never shown that from her. For example, it'd been a different story if we're shown even bits of Karina's inner thoughts of mellowing out and simply not caring anymore.

Instead we're shown Karina being impressed with the beastfolk strength, as well as her being unafraid of their ruthless might. So when you have both of those two factors combined with the revenge that drove Karina to even return to the Kingdom in order to crash the wedding; people rightfully expected more than just breaking glass, screaming, and running off.

This crashing of Aurora's wedding was a "look at me" moment. Not meant to kill people, but for Karina to take something from her sister, when everything had always been taken from her.

I said this last chapter, but Karina's mother was nearly killed (and would've if not for Eve). The fact that we weren't shown Karina reacting to her mother almost being killed already shows that it's not as though she were intentionally acting to avoid killing anyone.

All in all, no one's gonna deny that Karina is lost, directionless, and/or even hurting. It's only being said that her revenge didn't accomplish or amount to a damn thing. And if anything of benefit does happen, it'll be because of Aurora, not Karina. That's what I'm personally disappointed with, because it again makes Karina look so pitiful that she needs her formerly sickly sister to bail her out. Not to mention, it also makes it a point that if Karina is that inadequate, then heck, outside of trying kill her, could the Kingdom really had made a mistake in ending her engagement?

Because let's be honest, with how we're seeing Karina, being lost and directionless, that's definitely not someone you want in charge. The Kingdom, as shitty as it is, probably made the best move it could've by switching from Karina to Aurora; and I hate even saying that, but that's literally just how pointless Karina's action and situation even seems to me.
 
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I said this last chapter, but Karina's mother was nearly killed (and would've if not for Eve). The fact that we weren't shown Karina reacting to her mother almost being killed already shows that it's not as though she were intentionally acting to avoid killing anyone.

All in all, no one's gonna deny that Karina is lost, directionless, and/or even hurting. It's only being said that her revenge didn't accomplish or amount to a damn thing. And if anything of benefit does happen, it'll be because of Aurora, not Karina. That's what I'm personally disappointed with, because it again makes Karina look so pitiful that she needs her formerly sickly sister to bail her out. Not to mention, it also makes it a point that if Karina is that inadequate, then heck, outside of trying kill her, could the Kingdom really had made a mistake in ending her engagement?

Because let's be honest, with how we're seeing Karina, being lost and directionless, that's definitely not someone you want in charge. The Kingdom, as shitty as it is, probably made the best move it could've by switching from Karina to Aurora; and I hate even saying that, but that's literally just how pointless Karina's action and situation even seems to me.

Karina might not have been intentionally avoiding killing anyone, but she clearly wasn't seeking out bodily harm as a primary aim.
Karina also spoke directly to Aurora and Orlando the entire time. She addressed "everyone who wronged her" at large, but she only ever really focused on those two. Her mother being present, then, likely never registered to her, tunnel-visioned as she was.

Beyond that - we saw Reshtoka bury a castle; bringing the ceiling down was meant to cause damage, and if people got hurt, then that was that. But as you said - Karina had fantasized about an army of wolfkin marching on the kingdom. She could have gone that route, but ultimately she didn't, and we've not yet been told why, as I expect that will come later when details of the past two years are back-filled in coming chapters.

I also am saying that I think Karina's revenge being so empty is the point.

She thinks herself a victim, and that she must enact these grandiose displays of power and vengeance to reclaim her image in the eyes and minds of everyone who betrayed and wronged and harassed and abused her. But she's doing all of it from a place of false conviction, because ultimately she's not angry or enraged.
She's hurt, and she can't articulate it to the one person who currently matters--and neither can Reshtoka properly perceive it, different as they are from one another. So she settles on some vague notion of revenge, makes a big show of crashing the wedding, manages to talk big and then "take her ball and leave"--but it was never anything more than that, because it's not rage that drives her, but misery and a wounded heart. Not even proper destruction would come of that sort of foundation, and that's what we witness here.

To your point about her being an ineffectual ruler--she was burdened but never supported from the time she was a child. Made to shoulder responsibilities, but never given the kind of love and affection she craved, watching all of that go to her sickly sister, instead. From the outset, Karina's been set up to struggle, and she did the best she could, which resulted in her being denounced, defamed, exiled, and reviled by everyone.
She was never going to prosper in that sort of situation, and the fact that she's clearly had her image smeared in totality by the Crown after the fact, only reinforces that her rudderless state and seeming ineffectual mindset was wrought from years of the weight of expectation with no helping hand.

This isn't who Karina would have been, without everything that had been done to her. And the issue now, is her having to square all of this in the wake of the events of this chapter, where she can't even feel victorious, because the thing she needs to beat is the life that's already happened to her.
 
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I lean towards Aurora being unable to accept Karina having "something" and is now running off to fulfill her pathological need to steal away any and everything belonging to Karina.
 
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Karina might not have been intentionally avoiding killing anyone, but she clearly wasn't seeking out bodily harm as a primary aim.
Karina also spoke directly to Aurora and Orlando the entire time. She addressed "everyone who wronged her" at large, but she only ever really focused on those two. Her mother being present, then, likely never registered to her, tunnel-visioned as she was.

Beyond that - we saw Reshtoka bury a castle; bringing the ceiling down was meant to cause damage, and if people got hurt, then that was that. But as you said - Karina had fantasized about an army of wolfkin marching on the kingdom. She could have gone that route, but ultimately she didn't, and we've not yet been told why, as I expect that will come later when details of the past two years are back-filled in coming chapters.

I also am saying that I think Karina's revenge being so empty is the point.
She may not have been actively seeking to deal bodily harm, but she certainly wasn't against it if it furthered her goal, as she had Reshtoku beat up and/or rough up soldiers in order to gather information about the wedding. It was only when that wasn't working as well as she hoped that she adopted a gentler approach.

And once again, if her aim were truly just the prince and Aurora, then why bother going for the wedding? Why not do it beforehand? She could've taken the ring, wrecked the cathedral, and much more all before the wedding. Not only would she had taken something that belonged to her sister, but it would've left a lasting impact. Of course, this simply goes back to last chapter's discussion about the nature of her revenge and whether it achieved anything or not.

And once again, this chapter clearly showed us that Karina's revenge achieved nothing, and that she has no idea what she's doing or what she wants at this point. And if her revenge being empty was the intentional point, then it once again goes back to she could've just stayed in the damn mountains, because she certainly didn't do herself any favors.

As for her life and burdens. Sure, her upbringing as well as circumstances had brought her to that point, but let's not pretend that she didn't also play a part in it. Karina had knew early on that the Prince wasn't interested in her, and that he wanted her sister instead. However despite knowing that, Karina had made no move or attempt to better her situation.

Instead she opted to live in luxury and partake in the royal family's lavishing expenses (a fact that she herself had admitted). And if you're wondering what could Karina possibly do to better her situation; the simplest would've simply been getting the Crown Prince on her side, and that wouldn't have been difficult if Karina played her cards right.

She already knew that he wanted her sister, and we see just how easy it is to both manipulate him and stroke his ego. Karina could've simply gave him the idea that she supports his feelings for her sister and that she could help him with it in return for rewards. Heck she wouldn't even need to mention the rewards, as she could simply handle that portion discreetly herself.

So all in all, I can certainly agree that Karina's situation is tragic. However at the same time, I can't say that I feel sorry for her as we're literally witnessing her play a part in ensuring her own tragic end. From beginning to end, she had a hand in setting up her own demise. At this point, the only way it won't come to pass, is if Reshtoku doesn't play out the original story and/or her sister Aurora (plus Eve) come a save Karina. If the latter ends up happening, it would really make Karina look even more like a fool since it would imply she didn't even try to understand her sister and that the whole vendetta that she held against Aurora was not only pointless but also misplaced.
 
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I can see the this story end with both sister make up, and together with their wolfkin ally destroy the kingdom.
 
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She may not have been actively seeking to deal bodily harm, but she certainly wasn't against it if it furthered her goal, as she had Reshtoku beat up and/or rough up soldiers in order to gather information about the wedding. It was only when that wasn't working as well as she hoped that she adopted a gentler approach.

And once again, if her aim were truly just the prince and Aurora, then why bother going for the wedding? Why not do it beforehand? She could've taken the ring, wrecked the cathedral, and much more all before the wedding. Not only would she had taken something that belonged to her sister, but it would've left a lasting impact. Of course, this simply goes back to last chapter's discussion about the nature of her revenge and whether it achieved anything or not.

And once again, this chapter clearly showed us that Karina's revenge achieved nothing, and that she has no idea what she's doing or what she wants at this point. And if her revenge being empty was the intentional point, then it once again goes back to she could've just stayed in the damn mountains, because she certainly didn't do herself any favors.

As for her life and burdens. Sure, her upbringing as well as circumstances had brought her to that point, but let's not pretend that she didn't also play a part in it. Karina had knew early on that the Prince wasn't interested in her, and that he wanted her sister instead. However despite knowing that, Karina had made no move or attempt to better her situation.

Instead she opted to live in luxury and partake in the royal family's lavishing expenses (a fact that she herself had admitted). And if you're wondering what could Karina possibly do to better her situation; the simplest would've simply been getting the Crown Prince on her side, and that wouldn't have been difficult if Karina played her cards right.

She already knew that he wanted her sister, and we see just how easy it is to both manipulate him and stroke his ego. Karina could've simply gave him the idea that she supports his feelings for her sister and that she could help him with it in return for rewards. Heck she wouldn't even need to mention the rewards, as she could simply handle that portion discreetly herself.

So all in all, I can certainly agree that Karina's situation is tragic. However at the same time, I can't say that I feel sorry for her as we're literally witnessing her play a part in ensuring her own tragic end. From beginning to end, she had a hand in setting up her own demise. At this point, the only way it won't come to pass, is if Reshtoku doesn't play out the original story and/or her sister Aurora (plus Eve) come a save Karina. If the latter ends up happening, it would really make Karina look even more like a fool since it would imply she didn't even try to understand her sister and that the whole vendetta that she held against Aurora was not only pointless but also misplaced.

I think we're largely in agreement, except for differing interpretations on the core of Karina's character and what the aim of her story really is.

Your last line is the operative point. Karina's anger at Aurora is entirely misplaced. She believes that Aurora has orchestrated everything bad that's happened to her, by way of manipulating everyone around them with her actions and demeanor and seeming frailty to garner sympathy, and favor, over Karina.
You point out that Orlando wanted Aurora first, but Karina was sent in her stead due to the younger sister's failing health. That right there is a rejection of Karina from the outset--she was "the spare". And that was off the back of her parents constantly prioritizing Aurora for years before that--and Karina watched Aurora get love, and affection, and gifts that were intended for Karina, and grew to despise her.
To say nothing of all of that being Karina's projection onto Aurora. Even now, we're not given anything concrete when it comes to the inner workings of the younger sister's mind, or her motivations--except that she's stepped in multiple times to stave off Orlando's intentions to murder Karina, and she has done things that, on the surface, appear to be acts of good faith if you look at them from a perspective other than Karina's distorted lens.
(The "beautifying" of the northern castle and the returning on the stuffed animal from their childhood--could easily have been a peace offering from Aurora, but Karina's twisted view of her sister born of the years she's believed herself a victim of her younger sister's machinations made it seem sinister and violating.)

Everything about Karina's situation is born of her perceiving things one way, and those not necessarily being the case. We see her narration in the first chapter--she believed she was behaving as a proper queen-to-be, only for Orlando to denounce their engagement out of the blue (from her perspective), and she believed that Aurora had come at last to take even her future away from her, after everything else through the years.
She was doing what she thought was expected of her, because things had always been expected of her, and she didn't see the signs of people badmouthing her behind her back until it was all ripped out from under her.

And no - I don't agree that Karina would have been better served attacking Aurora and Orlando in some private space. She wanted to showboat, to be flashy and loud. Crashing the wedding itself did that precisely, because she wanted to at long last take something away from Aurora, in a way that could be seen by everyone.
Karina is convinced that Aurora is the source of her woes, and a public display of wrecking the wedding ceremony was Karina's way of getting back at her sister and ensuring it couldn't be swept under the rug or lied about/misconstrued.

To wit - this is a story of perspectives and differing representations of reality and how those things affect the lives of the people within it.

We have Karina seeing Aurora one way, that might not be true.

We have Karina's name smeared and erased by the Crown, with everyone believing her a villain--and when Eve speaks to her disguised mother, we learn that the "official narrative" isn't accurate.

We have Eve herself, a storyteller and chronicler, trying to uncover the truth of Karina--and seeing parallels in a fairy tale, worried about a tragic ending and racing to prevent it.
We have Aurora hiding away her thoughts and feelings from everyone, now in pursuit of her sister alongside Eve to nebulous ends. She's heard this fairy tale from Eve, but the conclusion is unclear, and her motives and aims toward Karina mirror that.

Everyone has a preconceived notion of what's actually been going on and what is going to happen--but none of them have the full, or correct, picture, and from that the central conflict is derived.
 
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I WILL say one thing that Karina has going for her: All the Wolfkin seem to quite like her. It may be that they just like Reshtoku and are happy that she's happy, but I think they really don't mind Karina, to be quite honest...

Also, the Crown can't cover up that Karina doesn't exist anymore. She's gonna be the talk of all of High Society for at least a month (until something "more fresh" comes up for them to talk about..)
 
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Lol that moment when Aurora gave that trash prince the " Shut up you piece of shit" look lmao. Though we still don't know where Aurora stand in this ordeal, we're pretty sure she is not totally into the prince, and I really hope she was just being misunderstood by her sister, hopefully they would have a good communication and finally some closure between them, Karina deserves to be happy and by chance I hope her happiness will lie later in with her puppy wife. I can't really imagine Reshtoka can kill Karina with that innocent face of hers, I just wish for more patience from her and to swoon her wifey, taking her out from her past traumas.
 
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Aurora comes out looking a little better after this chapter and her frigid exchanges with Orlando, but the idea that she's had nothing that might even imply care about Karina until now, let alone when her sister was being vilified, just emphasizes that poor communication is one of this story's overarching themes.
She literally sent a boatload of servants and supplies to her whilst in exile, but Karina refused them because she was consumed with the idea that everyone was against her.

And remember: this is what the court is like and Orlando didn’t WANT Karina, she was always a replacement for Aurora. How did/would they have acted whilst she was there? Aurora is only able to get away with what she does because she is simultaneously Orlando’s prize and also completely belittled by him and the rest of the (male) court. And I don’t know about you, but even with whatever sway Aurora has, being there does not seem pleasant at all.

”Awww, how naive and kind the poor little princess is. She is just too soft and forgiving!”
 
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I know it there something fishy about Aurora, and not because she dislike Karina
It was so satisfying to see Aurora get rid of that useless prince, but I really hope she just dumps him for good
It would be so fucking funny if Aurora is a siscon
 
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Wait it's been 2 years already?

Anyway, even if Aurora loves her sister, it won't change the fact that she stayed a bystander all her life, making her part of the problem.
 
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Woooow! It almost went just like how I said it would! People acting like Karina actually achieved something with her little tantrum...

Did we see the Prince trembling in fear? Nope.

Did we see anyone's peace of mind shattered or ruined? Nope

Did we see the Kingdom go hysterical over the damaged chapel or stolen ring? Nope.

What we did saw was that the Kingdom would've rather leave Karina to her supposed cursed fate, and went about their day and celebrated! And things would've gone that route, if not for Aurora. And just like I said before, Aurora showed that she actually had more impact than Karina, actually shutting up the Prince with a mere glare, when Karina couldn't even do that with a monster at her side.

So once again, what was the damn point of Karina's revenge? She was better off staying in the damn mountains and letting her sister handle things for her, since Karina is simply that inadequate.

...I can't even right now.
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People really just love doomposting about yuri I swear. You can't have any sort of development happen without people perking up their ears like rabbits going "axe? axe? axe? axe???"

That said it's really sad how Karina's just all alone with bags under her eyes. Her revenge didn't bring her any closure and now she looks so. Just. Empty. Like she has absolutely nothing left of agency. No will to her own limbs. No say in her own story.

I just want to give this girl a hug I swear.
because it feels like a axe or a very poorly written story
 

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