Namaiki Asahi-chan wo Wakarasetai - Vol. 3 Ch. 25 - Don't Get Attached To Anyone Else

[naofummi]

chill you horny ass

 

[mgRdr]

so when he goes from zero to sexual assault it is because there would be precident that it is exactly what she wants from him.
Or, its not sexual assault because he knows that what she wants/likes.

The thing is, she said "no" multiple times during the interaction, as well as

You can't do that...

So there's formal evidence of this situation not being what she wants/likes. I mean, it could be the "I know when a woman says no she really means yes" kind of thing with Asahi, but without explicit confirmation of this being the case, that's a very risky assumption to make. As it stands, axed or not axed, there has been no explicit build up to Asahi being into rape-like scenarios.

Without that precendent being set, this just out of left field, zero prep work, and instead of "MC finally gets over himself and give them both what they want as they both give into shared passion" it comes off as "MC is a rapey POS who just happened to get lucky the girl he got rapey with liked it"

I do not know how the ending will unfold, but so far I am trying to interact with the manga on its own term and not on the meta terms where I am assuming it was axed and so the author rushes out whatever the conclusion they want to arrive to. 28 chapters is plenty of space to tell a well-concluded story, and I am on board with the author telling their story in as little chapters as that, if that was their intent.
And as such, I am graciously giving the author the room to tell a subversive story of a controlling rapey MC I assume they wanted to tell

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

I mean, it could be the "I know when a woman says no she really means yes" kind of thing with Asahi, but without explicit confirmation of this being the case, that's a very risky assumption to make. As it stands, axed or not axed, there has been no explicit build up to Asahi being into rape-like scenarios.

Given how she is pulling him closer and giving him the flushed bedroom eyes as they catch their breaths, (and even laments to Kakeru that she can't be honest about what she wants) its VERY clear she is a "'no' means 'harder'" type of girl. But the MC didn't really have a way to know that that ahead of this chapter. There were some clues a couple chapter back in the shed that's how she likes to get down, but no where near enough.

But what you have theree is exactly what I'm saying in my previous post:
With explicit build up that MC should expect that behavior from her/that she wants that behavior from him, its just rapey sexual assault and it just so happens she's into it. If there had been build up, we'd know it wasn't sexual assault it was just two freaks getting freaky.

In real life of course all sorts of explicit consent would be needed but for fiction you can slide on some of that as they can "know the other person's mind" in a way you can't reliably do so in reality.

I do not know how the ending will unfold, but so far I am trying to interact with the manga on its own term and not on the meta terms where I am assuming it was axed and so the author rushes out whatever the conclusion they want to arrive to. 28 chapters is plenty of space to tell a well-concluded story, and I am on board with the author telling their story in as little chapters as that, if that was their intent.
And as such, I am graciously giving the author the room to tell a subversive story of a controlling rapey MC I assume they wanted to tell

I don't disagree but they very clearly expected more chapters, or instead of love triangle with Prez and other childhood third-wheel, we would have gotten that needed context building. So instead they had to quickly wrap things up and did so very clumsily.

 

[IWantTheGyaruDead]

???? Rape everyone & leave ???????? What

 

[schmackinthedack]

author putting her ao3 fics in her romance manga 💔

 

[milenag195]

"Don't make a fuss, they'll hear you outside." no wonder ts got axed

 

[ZenizhivGreen]

The author should learn that these type of "pushy" and borderline rapey scene only "work" (or atleast viewed positively by the reader) if the pov character is the one being pushed.

 

[mgRdr]

its just rapey sexual assault and it just so happens she's into it

Yeah, I am not accepting this implication, and I am finding it rather abhorrent. Both in this post and in the previous one, you talk about Asahi beingo into rapey stuff like it's a matter of fact, but the evidence for it is "swoony eyes" and the fact that she hugs him back at one point, and a hypothetical scenario where it was established before that they learned about one another's sexual preferences over a telepatic bond or whatever. But her "swoony eyes" and her going along with it is in no small part - and probably in its entirety - is because the person she loves expresses signs of affection towards her, rapey as they are. Specifically the swoony eyes part, page 15, looks to me like she is expecting a kiss that is not a hickey. And on the other hand, when he escalates and starts unhooking her bra, she tells him to stop a lot more firmly.

but for fiction you can slide on some of that as they can "know the other person's mind" in a way you can't reliably do so in reality.

They spent the previous 24 chapters decidedly not knowing what on the other person's mind. They have some read on one another, but they are two virgins who haven't even made their feelings clear, they are nowhere near knowing each other's sexual preferences. And I mean, a straight up confession isn't always necessary for them to get there, if two characters are close friends who are open with each other about their sexuality, then they might be aware of what they are allowed to do sexually with one another, but there is no way in hell Asahi and Ryo were close enough to talk about what they get off to. And the author made a conscious decision to put this scene before a confession between the two happens.
At most, and my reading is, Ryo would know that Asahi is a pushover, which wouldn't necessarily mean she likes being pushed over, figuratively or literally or sexually.

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

Yeah, I am not accepting this implication, and I am finding it rather abhorrent. Both in this post and in the previous one, you talk about Asahi beingo into rapey stuff like it's a matter of fact, but the evidence for it is "swoony eyes" and the fact that she hugs him back at one point, and a hypothetical scenario where it was established before that they learned about one another's sexual preferences over a telepatic bond or whatever. But her "swoony eyes" and her going along with it is in no small part - and probably in its entirety - is because the person she loves expresses signs of affection towards her, rapey as they are. Specifically the swoony eyes part, page 15, looks to me like she is expecting a kiss that is not a hickey. And on the other hand, when he escalates and starts unhooking her bra, she tells him to stop a lot more firmly.

Blud, last chapter she was lamenting to Kakeru about how she can't say what she wants. She mounted him in the shed and wasn't too put out when he turned the tables. She's been after him to take control and you see that when he ACTUALLY hits a red line her response is different than the "oh no mmm no senpai we caaaaaan't".

Anyway you aren't actually reading my posts because I'm drawing a very clear line between "what the author meant to deliver on (and failed)" and what we actually got which was stripped of the needed build and is only not sexual assault by the mere coincidence she's into it. So I'mma let you go.

 

[mgRdr]

last chapter she was lamenting to Kakeru about how she can't say what she wants

Yeah, that's what tsunderes and brats are about, and the thing they want isn't neccessarily "fuck me silly"

She mounted him in the shed and wasn't too put out when he turned the tables.

She immediately deescalated when he went on offensive, she was not ready for what was to come.

when he ACTUALLY hits a red line her response is different than the "oh no mmm no senpai we caaaaaan't".

Yes, "blud", it is different, it is "You can't do that...".

Anyway you aren't actually reading my posts because...

...I don't feel like discussing hypotheticals about what the author might have wanted to write maybe probably.

 

[TwoRedKings]

I’m going to play devils advocate and assume the last few chapters were written after the mangaka got news of the axe and they didn’t have the skill to hastily wrap up the story without forcing Ryo to become a overly jealous handsy control freak.

I’m going to read to the end for completion’s sake but it always sucks to find out a manga you’ve been enjoying got axed and then the ending ends up spoiling the enjoyment of everything else up to that point. Our “Love” is Disgusting was another recent one that had a similar problem. Hopefully the next couple chapters manage to stick the landing but it’s unfortunate the MC comes off looking like a complete dickhead right at the finish line.

 

[revoll]

dude what the fuck did the author do to this, the first few chapters started off pretty strong aswell 😭😭😭

 

[EnFiveFour]

An author who hasn't had enough with one assault, that had to include a second one, is more than pathetic. This says a lot about him and his publisher.

PS: Chapter 23 still has 3 untranslated pages.

 

[LeaguePlyrhere69]

I hate this writing...
But sunk cost fallacy exist. boys, I'll be riding this sinking ship till the end.

If this somehow gets an h extra chapter like that one manga, I'll maybe let it slide for it going for so much lewdness. But right now, this is fcking shit.

 

[LeaguePlyrhere69]

dude is horni, so do I.

I respect your honesty, but

 

[RollOmega]

Because what we have happening here isn't "brat correction". Brat correction would the mesugaki teasing the MC to provoke him into making a move on her via insults, needling, and temptation- which he does to "to shut her up". That is, the "correction" is the Brat is getting what they really want.

This is just a rapey MC sexually assaulting his childhood friend because she was getting close to another guy. She goads him a bit before hand, but it was all about him feeling lonely, nothing that would have egged him on to physically go after her. The appropriate "correction" woudl have been making her out around the festival with him while holding hands so she doesn't "break her promise again", not trying to take off her shirt.

I'll be honest, you're going to have an extremely difficult time convincing me that a non-trivial portion of the mesugaki correction crowd wants the brat to consent.

 

[LeaguePlyrhere69]

Most Likely since the series was already being axed, she wanted an ending between Asahi and MC, but not really being able to write around the unnecessary drama and tsun between them she created

she resorted to aggressive kdrama like romance leading to MC these last few chapters coming onto her really strong for no reason and acting all obsessive over her out of nowhere.

I respect that she wanted to see the series through, but this was definitely a big miss on her part. I just hope she learns from this and improves as an author in her future works. Cause there’s definitely some decent writing buried underneath all the rubble. That and this seems to be there second story ever…

Hah, women.

 

[LeaguePlyrhere69]

Big fella is gonna be on the receiving end of this in prison with some baka named Jamaru

How did Jamal got into this lmao

 

[LeaguePlyrhere69]

Because what we have happening here isn't "brat correction". Brat correction would the mesugaki teasing the MC to provoke him into making a move on her via insults, needling, and temptation- which he does to "to shut her up". That is, the "correction" is the Brat is getting what they really want.

This is just a rapey MC sexually assaulting his childhood friend because she was getting close to another guy. She goads him a bit before hand, but it was all about him feeling lonely, nothing that would have egged him on to physically go after her. The appropriate "correction" woudl have been making her out around the festival with him while holding hands so she doesn't "break her promise again", not trying to take off her shirt.



Brat Cleaning


She wanted to be seen as a girl and succeeded too much.

Given how Asahi ... reacted... to being pushed onto the desk and kissed, I think due to Axe-kun we missed some needed build up. There probably were have been some chapters where following the events in the shack it becomes readily apparent that Asahi gets turned on by the MC Physically correcting/going full Shojo Guy on her, so when he goes from zero to sexual assault it is because there would be precident that it is exactly what she wants from him.
Or, its not sexual assault because he knows that what she wants/likes.

Without that precendent being set, this just out of left field, zero prep work, and instead of "MC finally gets over himself and give them both what they want as they both give into shared passion" it comes off as "MC is a rapey POS who just happened to get lucky the girl he got rapey with liked it"


I can see the general flow of the story, Asahi and Kakeru collaborate to make the MC realize how he really feels about her, he gets possessive and jealous like she wanted, hot makeouts.
But the author just didn't have the skill or space to actually pull it off.

My god... this guy...
Deep critical thinking blessed you.

 

[LeaguePlyrhere69]

Yeah, that's what tsunderes and brats are about, and the thing they want isn't neccessarily "fuck me silly"

She immediately deescalated when he went on offensive, she was not ready for what was to come.

Yes, "blud", it is different, it is "You can't do that...".

...I don't feel like discussing hypotheticals about what the author might have wanted to write maybe probably.

Wha...
hypotheticals was what Friendly-Sentence710 has been arguing since the beginning.
If you didn't wanna discuss hypotheticals, you should've said that from the start and never have argued in the first place.
I was about to get some popcorn, dude. The debate was getting good!!