Nihonkoku Shoukan - Vol. 11 Ch. 52 - The Grade Atlastar

[agramo]

Rip the zesty poses I'll miss you. Unless the last panel on the last page counts?

I'd give that one a barely passing grade.

 

[FeudalGrass]

I'm not saying that espionage and diplomacy did not exist at all in ancient times, I'm saying that ancient empires expanded primarily through rapid military might, and cared little for any weaker powers diplomatically

I'm talking about just assuming they are weaker than you without knowing anything about them or what's ahead, which is just plain idiotic, as displayed by the factions here in the manga.

Even most conquests by real world empires were years after first contact with the natives.

Additionally, a simplistic account of, "They have walled cities and horses and grapes" is not really intelligence gathering.

knowing where the enemy cities or fortification are, how many garrisoned there, if the cities can host your invading army ... is better than knowing nothing and assuming the enemy must be weaker than you and charging blind ahead, as shown by the factions here.

As for Zhang Qian- he was sent to the Darouzhi to convince them to attack the Xiongnu from the west, and didn't even manage that. He was captured and detained for over a decade, ended up marrying and begetting a son from a Xiongnu woman, before finally 'escaping' and making his way to northern Bactria, finding the Darouzhi all that time later... and they refused to go to war

that's another example of an empire using diplomacy to play weaker factions against each others, gathering information first, again, not just "mobilize and crush", or "mobilize and march into your death", like shown by the factions in this manga.

Agreed that against peers (other Empires) it wouldn't work; I thought it pretty clear initially that I was speaking about Empires against weaker nations, as with the Romans against Europe, or the Persians against West Asia and the Eastern Mediterranean; obviously given

even that the stronger nation still had to be sure the enemy is weaker, not just charging blind ahead.

And Rome or Persia all shared history with the people there before doing the conquering, so they still had an idea of how strong the enemies were.

Lastly, the British didn't conquer India, since that implies Crown rule, might, and intent; the East India Company initially traded for it, piece by piece, and would have continued to do so if not for the extreme instability caused by Aurangzeb's policies in life that were very anti-non-Muslim, and the long war (28 years!) he waged during the last years of his life into his death followed by his sons fighting wars of succession to try and keep it all rather than divide it amongst themselves; ....

yeah, the British knew the enemy and took advantage of the situation using little military might thus making the conquest less costly, how does that disprove my point?

It wasn't for a hundred years after that that the British Crown usurped the rule from the Company, because of the Indian Rebellion against their practices.

which is example of taking advantage of the situation, not just through military might. it would have been costly if they tried to do it against the EIC at their peak.

 

[maruftim]

Oh? how many isekai'd countries are there?

 

[p2x909]

Oh? how many isekai'd countries are there?

There's a medieval fantasy one with chocobos, a Star Wars space magic one, an ancient Greece one, a Heisei Japanese one, and a World War 2 Axis Powers one.

The upcoming arc will introduce the ancient Greek one soon enough.

 

[Strela]

That was some insane glazing to Yamato lmao, but I guess had Yamato-class actually equipped with proper GFCS, it could actually be scary enough

 

[Strela]

Not at all- I'm pointing out that those are relatively modern military concepts when it's to the degree you're speaking of, and that old empires didn't really do that sort of thing. They came in with force and subdued locals through sheer might, and recon was pretty much limited to just outriders of the main army, just so they didn't get ambushed and could meet the enemy on a decent field of battle. To them, diplomats are things they send to a kingdom somewhere to force them to obey them, not intercountry communications. I'm also not depicting this as a good thing for these empires to do with regards to Japan, merely explaining why they do it- because that's how ancient empires ruled.

The USA is a modern empire de facto, and the US doctrine isn't "we don't know where they are, so we bombed everywhere we aren't", it's "Bomb everything to hell and let God sort them out" (this is by no means an exhaustive list, but it's a constant thing). If they could actually deal with that mentality and rein it in, it'd be a hell of a lot better.

USA didn't bomb them before they know what they capable of, there is a reason why they were so confident in bombing them because had they have nuke, they won't do it in fear of retaliation.

That was also why they were so confident at attacking Iran today because their intelligence did not find anything about nuclear weapons, though they didn't expect it to be that expensive due to them controlling one of the most important water trade route in the world. In any case, even USA scout their targets first, even if they didn't seems to.

 

[YAM999TH]

Isekai'd Country Battle Royale seems to be the direction the author is going towards.

Man, i dont even read the novel so idk how far it is, but i hope we get the reason of why there so many randomass nations being transported into this world without their consent. Was the old Empire who created the demon lord one of those countries but they got mad about getting transported lol