Hazure Waku no [Joutai Ijou Skill] de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete o Juurin Suru made - Vol. 15 Ch. 72 - Negotiations Begin

[1King2OA4M]

Okay so

Make his death as painful as you can…

 

[timcal2136]

also the amount of misogyny on display in this particular thread is disturbing.

Finally, someone agrees. As annoying and stupid as that spider girl has been the past few chapters, absolutely nobody deserves to be raped over something like that

 

[JavelinJoe]

True. There's being hopelessly ideological to the point of being naive. And there is beyond delusional like Spider girl is. Did she forget why all the demi humans are living way out in the middle of nowhere behind a magic wall?

Yes, I believe she did. Or maybe she has never had to live outside of that wall, ignorant of the struggle her own people had to go through.

But then again, she also seems to be just as bad as the humans when it comes to treating people with respect when they are not one of "her people" and weirdly the invading humans, for some strange reason, so its probably just something that would have happened to her inevitably. Seriously, she treated the invading force with more respect than MC who was trying to warn her about them.

 

[Litreara]

Not all warnings can be trusted, especially when someone is trying to drag you in a war that they want to find. She had a legitimate concern.

The real problem here is that she acted on blind faith; you can't negotiate with someone you don't understand. I mean, her whole plan was: we tell them that we don't want to fight and they'll agree not to attack.

Honestly, I think she's too young, and the society she lives in - closed off, with diverse people living in peace for so long - has given her zero chance to understand what the humans could possibly want. She has no idea why wars happen and she can't even understand the concept of ethnic cleansing. Being ignorant is not a sin, but not when you don't recognise your own ignorance.

Consider also, that she may be the figurehead of this foolish peace plan but the majority of votes went her way, so she wasn't alone in her way of thinking. So yeah, I do think they're all very stupid for this.

So personally, I do have sympathy. I really don't think that was is happening to her should ever happen to anyone. I would also always be careful about blaming the victim.

Also, maybe we weren't shown how the MC argued his case, but what we saw from him was not convincing at all. I am not surprised at all that his warning fell on death ears. Of course, it's not like I expect him to be a skilled orator and debater, but personally I feel like he dropped the ball really hard here. It really isn't that hard to give examples of human wicked acts and to ask: how do you negotiate with people who just want to kill you?

When the MC realized Lieselotte was arguing from an idealistic perspective, he knew it was pointless to argue with her.

 

[Kreate]

Deserved.

She has shown nothing but arrogance, stupidity and incompetence. Marching out without arming yourselves against an armed opponent isn't a sign of peace, its a sign of submission.

 

[nobody2002]

Yes, I believe she did. Or maybe she has never had to live outside of that wall, ignorant of the struggle her own people had to go through.

But then again, she also seems to be just as bad as the humans when it comes to treating people with respect when they are not one of "her people" and weirdly the invading humans, for some strange reason, so its probably just something that would have happened to her inevitably. Seriously, she treated the invading force with more respect than MC who was trying to warn her about them.

For real, though. She views Touka with suspicion but the humans coming in with an army are apparently friends. 😒

 

[BobBob]

The arachnussy got that dude acting unwise. She sure got dunked fast. I guess since his whole squad can shoot the unarmed demihumans dead he didn't need to wait any longer, but it's very on-brand for this series that he immediately went full rape. Time to see what contingency plan Touka and the fighting faction came up with. Presumably before the kumogaki gets raped.

 

[Xelarion]

It's INSANE how easily this would have been resolved if they'd spent as much time looking at their shitty situation as they'd have spent FUCKING, apparently.

The humans under a god that wants to kill them all want peace? Really? If you believe that, I have a couple of bottles of cure-all I'd like to sell you... Don't mind the smell, it's all natural!

 

[Baraqiel]

This reminds me of something

 

[vinostrife]

Ahhhhh
I love it! I love it when that woman got beat the shit out of her lmao, hope she got killed or maybe some UB doing something "funny" to her body

Welp thats what you get for being dumb and naive woman, hope the lamia got that treatment as well

 

[booterror]

I fully expected it to take many more chapters of the humans stringing her along before her naivety landed her here.

To be fair, I fully expected the humans to swiss cheese them with arrows on sight, and she was gunna have to bleed out and watch everyone die. So I guess we both got a surprise lol

I'd pitty her if this wasn't going to be the obvious outcome. This is why no one likes Lawful Stupid.

Yeahhhhh. Once they played the "Smug dumbfuck" card, and MC let it roll I knew we were in for a ride. I didnt expect it to be Any Hole is a Goal, while everyone watches.

Page 4, I already thought: "Then you'll be the first one to die." And I wasn't wrong.

Same lol. I was like "So how many people is she gunna see executed here?"

"I wonder how smug she'll be when the human army war crimes them all?"

I see we just down a whole keg of dumb bitch juice like instant karma couldn’t have been faster

Like this was one of those 30,000 gallon railroad tank cars of Dumb Bitch Juice being delivered next day freight express lol

Goddamn, this thread is more mad at the spider girl than the rapist.

Look, I'm not even going to get into all that jazz. I think the majority of people are mad at her for basically dooming everyone due to her being on "Dumb Bitch Hours" 24/7, which I think is a fair thing to be mad at someone about. Being a smug fucking prick and then dooming everyone is just icing on the cake.

But since you brought it up: Yes rape is bad and the serial rapist war criminal should very much not be raping people/monsters or committing more war crimes.

 

[E421T]

Crazy how well this chapter reflects "modern society" in all its glory...

 

[nobody2002]

And this is a prime example of why countries with strict isolationist policies tend to fall into trouble upon contact with an unknown outside force of significant scale. Isolationism isn't bad itself, but totally cutting yourself off completely without even leaving a spy or two to let you maintain an understanding on current worldly events and mindsets means that you eventually produce political idiots like this one who cannot understand an opponent's intentions upon meeting them, nor expect an enemy to actually be an invading force due to them never knowing what international war is like.

I can sympathize with the lamias who just had babies, as no parent wants to die and leave their child an orphan. But if your three major goals are to 1, protect your family, 2, not die, and 3, protect your territory, then meating an invading armed enemy force head on, outside your territory's defenses, while unarmed, while carrying a key that lets the holder have access the front door of your fortress, and waving a white flag typically understood as a sign of surrender..... it seems like a very easy way to not meet any of those goals. (I know it can mean both offering your surrender and seeking for negotiations, but typically you don't wave the flag as the winning side)

But at least she got to have her peaceful negotiations right? Did she even once think about what happens if the other party doesn't agree to her terms of peaceful coexistence? She was even warned they were not peaceful, and yet, she seems to be just as racist towards outsiders as the humans are.

Also, I don't care how peaceful you want to be seen as being, you don't ever go to a peace negotiation with an armed opponent without having a means to protect yourself. And you most certainly do not bring 3/5ths of your entire military force along with you, also unarmed. Either all weapons are left at the door by both parties, you both are carrying, or you are offering your full surrender.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best, "Talk softly and carry a big stick".

Another one good one is "Olive branch in one hand, sword in the other".

 

[Zing]

She is even more unbearable in the novel, but she isn't a bad person, just used to always succeeding.

 

[Elhao]

She probably learned her lesson, MC to the rescue?

 

[ExtinctTurtle]

this fucking spider is so annoying

 

[dokidoki]

Goddamn, this thread is more mad at the spider girl than the rapist.

Well when you got a case of people telling a women not to go 1 v 1 solo to meet the BEAR to talk about her feelings but then she does it anyway's and ends up getting destroyed by said bear, ofcourse people are gona be more mad at her then the bear because the bear can't be reasoned with lmao aka leopard ate my face moment

Its even worse because she didn't only affect herself but multiple other people
So yea you reap what you sow

 

[frubam]

That's like asking if the military leaders of dictatorships support autocracy or democracy. Alion's rule is based on the tyranny of the goddess, discrimination, and militarism. The military naturally needs to support this ideology, lest the order collapses. So, yeah, the soldiers have to be either scumbags or perfectly willing to look the other way when others behave like scumbags.

You are certainly not wrong, that's a good point. But man, I'm just a bit sad because this makes them fairly one-dimensional to me. Not that this story needs a high level of intricacy, but it kinda makes it a bit boring when you know what to expect.

 

[groudonvert]

I don't know about that. Beyond likely about to be violently raped (and the trauma that entails), this is a world shattering destruction of her perception of how the world works.

That she is capable of appealing to the "Goodness of Humans".
That the goddess's desire for war is only because of some misunderstanding that can be explained.

I think it was spoiler'ed in a previous chapter by someone on the boards that in the novel,

Spoiler: what spidergirl do

She goes into a deep trauma and just tries to flee instead of fighting.

But I could be misremembering.

Answer to spoiler :
She's not a fighter anyway. She actually goes back to their Kingdom and get back ups.

 

[isoycrazy]

I do not doubt ber idealism and hope for a better day. But until the source of evil is purged from the world, this needs to be tempered with realism.