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That HMV also has an anti aircraftmissile launcher version called the Type 98
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You mean the Type-96 Multi-Purpose Missile System
You mean the Type-96 Multi-Purpose Missile System
[And that missile system was installed on the Mu Navy battleship La Kasami. The Type-96 also saw action during the Battle of the MAlmund Mountains in LN Vol. 6 when the Gra Valkas Empire's 4th Armored Division was escaping the JGSDF's 7th Division/spoiler]
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entity_101 Last reply, because I feel you are arguing in bad faith and putting up strawmans, more than actually addressing my points.
Okay this is stupid for two reason. One, the JSDF, whether intentionally or not, have opened fired on foreign naval and aerial forces several times by this point. Whether they are not a superpower is irrelevant to making enemies. In fact, they have already engaged in hostile conflict, any foreign nation will naturally consider this an act of aggression whether this was in self-defense or not. These aren't your friendly nations where mistakes were made and we can just laugh about it, they will hold a grudge for it. And given how they act and behaved makes them inevitably an enemy of Japan. So yes, enemies do exist whether Japan acknowledges them or not.
Keep in mind, these are all acts of war when these enemy nations attacked the JSDF without provocation. We've already seen how arrogant and evil these recent nations are just by how they act and carry themselves with around lesser nations, they will consider Japan the same, a weak an easily conquerable nation, and treat them as such without reservation. To naively and optimistically believe that military conflict would not create animosity on any scale is beyond stupid, which is my entire point.
Second, why would Japan believe Fenn or any allies are able to protect their citizens when they couldn't protect themselves? The Japanese, and we the readers already understood their allies are unable to protect their own territories from the aggression of their surrounding neighbors. So sending their citizens for tourism when their safety isn't guaranteed, either by Fenn or their own JSDF force is stupid by any standard and is a complete asinine statement to make.
Which doesn't counter my point and isn't relevant to my argument. The JSDF and diplomats have several months worth of time and have already engaged in numerous conflicts by this point. This is more than enough in establishing the local geo-political landscape of the Rodenius continent and determining who the aggressive actors are in this political theatre. We know it, their allies know it, but somehow you are suggesting the Japanese government doesn't? Despite all the interactions shown so far? This is really arguing in bad faith.
That doesn't help your argument or make a strong case for this kind of incompetence. Why are the military conducting drills? Why are there no military presence near or protecting the tourist hotspots or any soft targets within their allies territory or somewhere close? You don't send out civilians beyond your country's sphere of influence because its easy to exploit. Why is there no precaution or measures taken in protecting their own citizens? You don't need satellites or send a million scout planes in protecting and I stress, local assets. Even after the fact, why did the JSDF not mount a rescue operation when they successfully rescued the survivors from the Demon Lords army? Suggesting that the JSDF is practicing drills, when you yourself stated "the JSDF is basically an army, but its only job is to defend Japan, is arguing in bad faith.
Establishing a local presence would have been enough, given how easily the JSDF has thwarted several aggressive attempts easily already. There is literally no excuse.
Again, you are arguing a strawmen and in bad faith here. The enemy nations shown so far, and the ones that conducted the kidnapping and executions, are nowhere near the same technological level. Do the Palpardia Empire or Louria have WW II era battleships or supercarriers? Did they seriously threaten Japan at a hegomonic level? No, they do not. Your counter argument is flimsy at best and does nothing to address my issue about enemy nations being constantly portrayed as both weak enough, but strong enough that is constantly found in fascists and Ultra-Nationalistic literature. Why you are even arguing this is beyond me. You are literally claiming that a nation with colonial era weapons, somehow managed to sneak past the JSDF, capture hundreds of tourists, and execute them without any resistance. How does that not embody the Ultra-Nationalist manifesto?
Or maybe, you know, ask the Japanese or any modern person if they thought enslavement is morally reprehensible? Or what? Are you saying because it is not morally reprehensible Japan should feel free in making slave tributes to an enemy nation, and not find it odd? But to humor you. I am sure Rome would object if Roman citizens were made slaves by the Gauls, or if the Emperor's subjects were kidnaped, tortured, raped, and killed by the Huns or Mongols. I highly doubt if they were the victims, they would give the matter a "thumbs up". Rather than address the elephant in the room, IE modern/Japan's opinion, claiming that "well if slavery is fine back then, it should be fine now", which is an argument so narrowminded and obtuse it makes my head hurt just reading it. You should ask the current Japanese in the story, if they would find slavery morally reprehensible or not. But this seems all in bad faith, so I don't know if I should take it seriously or not anymore.
See. This is why I can't take your arguments seriously. Because you are arguing that today's society are, not in any way, superior all the previous past civilization that came before us. You are essentially saying the reason why the Roman empire fell, the Ming Dynasty collapsed, or any other ancient civilizations that fell into ruin, had nothing to do with the fact that they were in some way deficient or flawed? It's like you can't wrap your head around the reasoning why it is a bad idea to enslave people. For all your talk about history, you seem to miss out on the most basic fundamentals: We are better than we are yesterday. It's why we study history so extensively, and why we try to better ourselves as a civilization, by constantly progressing as a species. Maybe it's you who should start learning from history, instead of glorifying it, and making the same mistakes.
Okay this is stupid for two reason. One, the JSDF, whether intentionally or not, have opened fired on foreign naval and aerial forces several times by this point. Whether they are not a superpower is irrelevant to making enemies. In fact, they have already engaged in hostile conflict, any foreign nation will naturally consider this an act of aggression whether this was in self-defense or not. These aren't your friendly nations where mistakes were made and we can just laugh about it, they will hold a grudge for it. And given how they act and behaved makes them inevitably an enemy of Japan. So yes, enemies do exist whether Japan acknowledges them or not.
Keep in mind, these are all acts of war when these enemy nations attacked the JSDF without provocation. We've already seen how arrogant and evil these recent nations are just by how they act and carry themselves with around lesser nations, they will consider Japan the same, a weak an easily conquerable nation, and treat them as such without reservation. To naively and optimistically believe that military conflict would not create animosity on any scale is beyond stupid, which is my entire point.
Second, why would Japan believe Fenn or any allies are able to protect their citizens when they couldn't protect themselves? The Japanese, and we the readers already understood their allies are unable to protect their own territories from the aggression of their surrounding neighbors. So sending their citizens for tourism when their safety isn't guaranteed, either by Fenn or their own JSDF force is stupid by any standard and is a complete asinine statement to make.
Which doesn't counter my point and isn't relevant to my argument. The JSDF and diplomats have several months worth of time and have already engaged in numerous conflicts by this point. This is more than enough in establishing the local geo-political landscape of the Rodenius continent and determining who the aggressive actors are in this political theatre. We know it, their allies know it, but somehow you are suggesting the Japanese government doesn't? Despite all the interactions shown so far? This is really arguing in bad faith.
That doesn't help your argument or make a strong case for this kind of incompetence. Why are the military conducting drills? Why are there no military presence near or protecting the tourist hotspots or any soft targets within their allies territory or somewhere close? You don't send out civilians beyond your country's sphere of influence because its easy to exploit. Why is there no precaution or measures taken in protecting their own citizens? You don't need satellites or send a million scout planes in protecting and I stress, local assets. Even after the fact, why did the JSDF not mount a rescue operation when they successfully rescued the survivors from the Demon Lords army? Suggesting that the JSDF is practicing drills, when you yourself stated "the JSDF is basically an army, but its only job is to defend Japan, is arguing in bad faith.
Establishing a local presence would have been enough, given how easily the JSDF has thwarted several aggressive attempts easily already. There is literally no excuse.
Again, you are arguing a strawmen and in bad faith here. The enemy nations shown so far, and the ones that conducted the kidnapping and executions, are nowhere near the same technological level. Do the Palpardia Empire or Louria have WW II era battleships or supercarriers? Did they seriously threaten Japan at a hegomonic level? No, they do not. Your counter argument is flimsy at best and does nothing to address my issue about enemy nations being constantly portrayed as both weak enough, but strong enough that is constantly found in fascists and Ultra-Nationalistic literature. Why you are even arguing this is beyond me. You are literally claiming that a nation with colonial era weapons, somehow managed to sneak past the JSDF, capture hundreds of tourists, and execute them without any resistance. How does that not embody the Ultra-Nationalist manifesto?
Or maybe, you know, ask the Japanese or any modern person if they thought enslavement is morally reprehensible? Or what? Are you saying because it is not morally reprehensible Japan should feel free in making slave tributes to an enemy nation, and not find it odd? But to humor you. I am sure Rome would object if Roman citizens were made slaves by the Gauls, or if the Emperor's subjects were kidnaped, tortured, raped, and killed by the Huns or Mongols. I highly doubt if they were the victims, they would give the matter a "thumbs up". Rather than address the elephant in the room, IE modern/Japan's opinion, claiming that "well if slavery is fine back then, it should be fine now", which is an argument so narrowminded and obtuse it makes my head hurt just reading it. You should ask the current Japanese in the story, if they would find slavery morally reprehensible or not. But this seems all in bad faith, so I don't know if I should take it seriously or not anymore.
See. This is why I can't take your arguments seriously. Because you are arguing that today's society are, not in any way, superior all the previous past civilization that came before us. You are essentially saying the reason why the Roman empire fell, the Ming Dynasty collapsed, or any other ancient civilizations that fell into ruin, had nothing to do with the fact that they were in some way deficient or flawed? It's like you can't wrap your head around the reasoning why it is a bad idea to enslave people. For all your talk about history, you seem to miss out on the most basic fundamentals: We are better than we are yesterday. It's why we study history so extensively, and why we try to better ourselves as a civilization, by constantly progressing as a species. Maybe it's you who should start learning from history, instead of glorifying it, and making the same mistakes.
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Uhm. The Parpaldia Empire is the one who fired the first shots against the Japan Coast Guard patrol boat. And please read the WN. It is where the whole events about the Japan-PE War stated
Uhm. The Parpaldia Empire is the one who fired the first shots against the Japan Coast Guard patrol boat. And please read the WN. It is where the whole events about the Japan-PE War stated
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Yes? And the JSDF responded in self-defense. What are you trying to say? I have already stated this in a previous post below:
Also, I read the WN. Up to the point where I dropped it when the
Yes? And the JSDF responded in self-defense. What are you trying to say? I have already stated this in a previous post below:
Also, I read the WN. Up to the point where I dropped it when the
Japanese civilians get captured and executed. And the Japanese revoke the "self-defense" clause in their constitution.
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man the artstyle is such a breath of fresh air
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The visual is so bad, i cant stop laughing lol,
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@entity_101 Mu isn't Atlantis, they knew the Atlantians though. Apparently Earth had two great empires in the distant past, Mu advanced through scientific tech, and Atlantis supposedly used magic.
Mu was on the land, and Atlantis in the sea.
Mu was on the land, and Atlantis in the sea.
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This gai thing combined with the art is so weird... Am I reading a yaoi ?
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@CountryMage Then I confused myself since from what I was remembering when the Japanese envoys compared the map Mu gave them with their own, they said Mu was located in the Atlantic ocean
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@entity_101 if I recall
wasn't Mu a rival power of Atlantis? There were two super powers in the past in Earth fighting for supremacy, that was Atlantis and Mu. Mu got isekaid at some point and they theorized that without them as a rival Atlantis would've been able to conquer Earth, until they met with Japan at least.
