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This translation is "UNBEARABLE"
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@mage_goo Well, he did get the job at lv0, so even if it's a high ranked one it probably wouldn't require a lot of exp since you would usually have to be lv50/60/70/80/90/100 to get a high ranked job which would make it harder to lv up anyway. Plus his brother said that until you get a job you stay lv0 so he didn't get any exp from the demi-dragon because he had no job equipped.
I wonder if anyone has tried to play jobless for a long period, that would be kind of an interesting side story chapter unless they kept getting one-shot.
I wonder if anyone has tried to play jobless for a long period, that would be kind of an interesting side story chapter unless they kept getting one-shot.
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Maybe you're right and I'm the only one assuming that only job level exist, which then leads to several questions, like, does your job affect/modify your current stats? does it affect your stat growth? How'd you even learn job's skill in the first place? Does job changing affect your stat? Does job changing erase all of your previous job's skill?
Guess I'll just wait for the exposition.
You're saying that as if character level is a thing that is completely separated from job level.
Maybe you're right and I'm the only one assuming that only job level exist, which then leads to several questions, like, does your job affect/modify your current stats? does it affect your stat growth? How'd you even learn job's skill in the first place? Does job changing affect your stat? Does job changing erase all of your previous job's skill?
Guess I'll just wait for the exposition.
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@mage_goo Well, actually in the old Ragnarok Online it does like that. Leveling your char lvl will give you points to increase your raw stats of choice while leveling job lvl will give you points to learn job skills and some extra bonys stats based on job lvl. While you can't change your job to another same rank job, you can advance your job to a higher rank that have brand new skill tree. Job skills already learned will stay but some can't be used by higher rank job.
On Phantasy Star Online 2 tho, there's only job lvl but you can switch around your class freely. Each class has their own lvl so you need to lvl them separately. With the exception to advanced class, you can set another class as your sub class and gain use on most of it's skill.
On Phantasy Star Online 2 tho, there's only job lvl but you can switch around your class freely. Each class has their own lvl so you need to lvl them separately. With the exception to advanced class, you can set another class as your sub class and gain use on most of it's skill.
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@Kiriha If it's PSO2 style, where there's only job lvl, I don't think restarting the game each time you advance your class is a fun experience.
I mean, MC still struggles against low-level monster even though he has high-rank job, so the assumption is that this would happen on everyone that changes their job into high-level one.
I guess you can power level your new job by using your old job as sub-class, but dunno. It depends on whether there's any penalty on the sub-class job.
If it's old RO style, since MC managed to level his job adequately, (he already get some paladin's skill) the xp rate for the job is scaled based on char level, or generally high in general.
If it's scaled based on level, there's a real advantage of getting a high-rank job when your char level is still low. MC might even break through the level ceiling for Paladin's job and get some secret skill that other player might never see since they reached char level cap before that happens.
It also discourages job changing since for every level you spent on other job, that's a level of high-rank job you wasted.
If it's the second and high-rank job still gets adequate xp even from killing goblin, I don't see any reason why a high-level player won't take every job ever, power level it based only on their char level, and get all the useful skill in the pool.
I mean, MC just goes from Jobless into high-rank job, so I'm assuming that there's no real restriction of job changing from say, Archer to Mage. So why not take everything and take it to adequate level?
I guess that depends on the penalty of job changing, and whether there's an existence of sub-job, and how sub-job would benefits you.
This one provides an interesting meta and gives super high versatility for players though, since a high-level DPS can also be a mid-level support if needed, and a magic swordsman can be a pure physical swordsman the very next day, so I hope it's this one.
I mean, MC still struggles against low-level monster even though he has high-rank job, so the assumption is that this would happen on everyone that changes their job into high-level one.
I guess you can power level your new job by using your old job as sub-class, but dunno. It depends on whether there's any penalty on the sub-class job.
If it's old RO style, since MC managed to level his job adequately, (he already get some paladin's skill) the xp rate for the job is scaled based on char level, or generally high in general.
If it's scaled based on level, there's a real advantage of getting a high-rank job when your char level is still low. MC might even break through the level ceiling for Paladin's job and get some secret skill that other player might never see since they reached char level cap before that happens.
It also discourages job changing since for every level you spent on other job, that's a level of high-rank job you wasted.
If it's the second and high-rank job still gets adequate xp even from killing goblin, I don't see any reason why a high-level player won't take every job ever, power level it based only on their char level, and get all the useful skill in the pool.
I mean, MC just goes from Jobless into high-rank job, so I'm assuming that there's no real restriction of job changing from say, Archer to Mage. So why not take everything and take it to adequate level?
I guess that depends on the penalty of job changing, and whether there's an existence of sub-job, and how sub-job would benefits you.
This one provides an interesting meta and gives super high versatility for players though, since a high-level DPS can also be a mid-level support if needed, and a magic swordsman can be a pure physical swordsman the very next day, so I hope it's this one.
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From what I could gather from this chapter, a job's rank doesn't seem to be related to the character's level, so It isn't really a requirement as long as you are able to fulfill the conditions to acquire the job.
It's just that It's harder to fulfill the conditions for a higher rank job than It's for low rank jobs, so you are usually required to be of a higher level in order to be strong enough and/or have enough resources to fulfill those conditions.
On the MC's case, he was only able to become a high rank job at level 0 because of hisplot power "luck".. I mean, his brother just so happened to buy out all the berries from the vendors to throw a feast because the MC was starting to play, the MC just so happened to start playing on the same day as Liliane's birthday, and because was her birthday her little sister just so happened to go out to buy berries to make a birthday cake for her, but there were no berries on the vendors because the MC's brother had bought everything, all that happening on the same day as those guys from the VR chat decided to put their plan into motion to kill Liliane using a poisoned berry, but again, there were no berries for them to buy and give to the little sister because the MC's brother had bought all of them, so they improvised and decided to send the little sister to a dangerous place, so she could find the damn berries, in order to bait Liliane and kill her using the demi-dragon worms. And then all of those events lead up to the MC bumping with Liliane as she was looking for her little sister, which triggered a quest, and then the MC with his brother went to help Liliane and the little sister, and there they found a bunch of demi-dragon type monsters, then they defeated them all and saved the day, and by dumbluck the MC got a item worth 400k from the box the demi-dragon worm he defeated had dropped. Liliane ended up being a royal knight and gave him a letter of recomendation which fulfilled one of the conditions to become a paladin, before that, from the money the MC got after selling the item he got from the dropped box he was able to make the 200k donation to the church which fulfilled another condition for the paladin job, and back when they were saving the sisters, from the demi-dragon worm the MC defeated when his embryo just so decided to awaken at just the right time and place, he got the last condition for the job, that was to defeat a demi-dragon type monster having done at least 50% of the total damage.
ANYWAYS, as I said, It was all due toPLOT POWER "luck". Under normal non-MC'ish circumstances, that would've probably been impossible to become a high rank job at level 0, because a normal level 0 players wouldn't have been able to fulfill any of these conditions.
As for what jobs exactly do, from what I understood, It gives bonuses to some stats depending on the job and give skills that are specific to the job. And as he levels up using that job I believe that he will unlock new skills of that job and get stat points for him to distributed where he pleases? Not sure.
It's just that It's harder to fulfill the conditions for a higher rank job than It's for low rank jobs, so you are usually required to be of a higher level in order to be strong enough and/or have enough resources to fulfill those conditions.
On the MC's case, he was only able to become a high rank job at level 0 because of his
ANYWAYS, as I said, It was all due to
As for what jobs exactly do, from what I understood, It gives bonuses to some stats depending on the job and give skills that are specific to the job. And as he levels up using that job I believe that he will unlock new skills of that job and get stat points for him to distributed where he pleases? Not sure.
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Love the worldbuilding. Lots of detail and the possibility of different Embryos is cool.
That said, the plot is not grabbing me. I can't tell where the story will go once this initial worldbuilding is done and the main character doesn't really have any goals. Not to mention all this amazing stuff that could have been goals for the character being handed to him(could have had an entire arc with him trying to get the requisites to be a Paladin with a weapon useless unless you take high risks with a nullify+revenge combo).
This is a drop for me.
That said, the plot is not grabbing me. I can't tell where the story will go once this initial worldbuilding is done and the main character doesn't really have any goals. Not to mention all this amazing stuff that could have been goals for the character being handed to him(could have had an entire arc with him trying to get the requisites to be a Paladin with a weapon useless unless you take high risks with a nullify+revenge combo).
This is a drop for me.
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Okay, so the conversion to yen means there's a cash shop to buy the in-game money. So the game's pay-to-win, if we remember it's Japanese.
Way to ruin the whole premise in one detail.
Way to ruin the whole premise in one detail.
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