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yes, GREAT PLAN...let's put pressure on the MC by pointing out how despicable the very actions we've secretly taken are but without mentioning it's us that's done them so that everyone wants to destroy the ones responsible...there's no way that could possibly bite us in the ass, since the assassination totally must have succeeded and we know this cause none of our spies have come and told us otherwise, no chance in hell the fact none have come to warn us could be because it failed and the rest of our family (especially the spies trying to reach us) are being slaughtered for our treachery while the most powerful members are trapped in here effectively suppressed by a combination of the cumulative presence of the masters of the rest of the city and the guards who we will likely soon learn are under orders to not let us leave alive
and, @givemersspls , personally I think the fact that Nie Li uses the same tactics against them isn't "bad" writing, but rather an intentional move to show several points, including but not limited to: a semi-natural moral grey ground, situational irony, and the difference intentions make...on one hand the Sacred family uses underhanded tactics for personal gain with no mind to the victims (and did so LONG before Nie Li starting using them back, but it's his actions that pushed them to take more open drastic measures), whereas Nie Li uses them for the benefit of the city and its citizens by putting down those who abandoned honor for greed and a lust for greater power
and, @givemersspls , personally I think the fact that Nie Li uses the same tactics against them isn't "bad" writing, but rather an intentional move to show several points, including but not limited to: a semi-natural moral grey ground, situational irony, and the difference intentions make...on one hand the Sacred family uses underhanded tactics for personal gain with no mind to the victims (and did so LONG before Nie Li starting using them back, but it's his actions that pushed them to take more open drastic measures), whereas Nie Li uses them for the benefit of the city and its citizens by putting down those who abandoned honor for greed and a lust for greater power
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@Closedbox where's that pic from? for research purposes
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God.... i just became active in here and i became a meme....
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God.... i just became active in here and i became a meme....
Follow my twitter with the same avatar so you will know the way
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@givemersspls Well, Nie Lie isn't lying actually, he said several things in response to shen hong
First he prove how ridiculous the claim is that the city lord would be pressuring the sacred family just because Nie Lie asked. Which is true, it took a lot of investigation into the sacred family and the dark guild to determine if they are involved, how and where they are.
Then he stated that the snow-wind family has always conducted their affair in a "just manner". Us as a reader have no way to determine if that's true or not, but since the various patriarch agreed, it seems that Nie Lie isn't lying.
Then he ask a question "when did snow-wind family used their resource to suppress another family". That's not a statement, that's a question. To which the answer seems to be "it never happened", and "that's not how the snow-wind family conduct itself". It's the various patriarch that answer that question for Nie Lie.
With this exchange Nie Lie proved to the patriarchs:
- The Snow-wind isn't only acting against the sacred family just because Nie Lie asked. In the first half Shen Hong was trying to make the case that the snow wind was acting because Nie Lie dispute with their 2 descendant.
- The Snow Wind is just in conducting their affairs. Which means for the Snow Wind family to act like that they must have a good reason, not just a little conflict between children of families.
- Never before as the Snow Wind family done such a thing, which indicate that the reason for them to act this way is exceptional.
At no point did he lie. There are cases where Nie Lie lied and mislead. For instance when he was pretending to be beaten up in early chapters. Or when he gave the tianfang grass to the Sikong in the dark prison realm. The author obviously think of Nie Lie as righteous, and there is obvious cases where Nie Lie actions are definitely questionable, for instance him acting as if he is already fiance to Zi Yun (what is consent ... ? ) or giving an addictive medicine to someone knowing full well they cant get it on their own. There also seem to be hidden misogynism in the story, where the female characters, even if they are strong (and ning'er certainly looks like she is strong) become damsel in distress that needs rescuing. They never seemed to be able to do anything on their own.
So yes, I do agree with you the author at times seems to be full of himself. Showing characters acting with "righteousness" when they aren't always acting as such. However I dont think this is one of those questionable moments.
First he prove how ridiculous the claim is that the city lord would be pressuring the sacred family just because Nie Lie asked. Which is true, it took a lot of investigation into the sacred family and the dark guild to determine if they are involved, how and where they are.
Then he stated that the snow-wind family has always conducted their affair in a "just manner". Us as a reader have no way to determine if that's true or not, but since the various patriarch agreed, it seems that Nie Lie isn't lying.
Then he ask a question "when did snow-wind family used their resource to suppress another family". That's not a statement, that's a question. To which the answer seems to be "it never happened", and "that's not how the snow-wind family conduct itself". It's the various patriarch that answer that question for Nie Lie.
With this exchange Nie Lie proved to the patriarchs:
- The Snow-wind isn't only acting against the sacred family just because Nie Lie asked. In the first half Shen Hong was trying to make the case that the snow wind was acting because Nie Lie dispute with their 2 descendant.
- The Snow Wind is just in conducting their affairs. Which means for the Snow Wind family to act like that they must have a good reason, not just a little conflict between children of families.
- Never before as the Snow Wind family done such a thing, which indicate that the reason for them to act this way is exceptional.
At no point did he lie. There are cases where Nie Lie lied and mislead. For instance when he was pretending to be beaten up in early chapters. Or when he gave the tianfang grass to the Sikong in the dark prison realm. The author obviously think of Nie Lie as righteous, and there is obvious cases where Nie Lie actions are definitely questionable, for instance him acting as if he is already fiance to Zi Yun (what is consent ... ? ) or giving an addictive medicine to someone knowing full well they cant get it on their own. There also seem to be hidden misogynism in the story, where the female characters, even if they are strong (and ning'er certainly looks like she is strong) become damsel in distress that needs rescuing. They never seemed to be able to do anything on their own.
So yes, I do agree with you the author at times seems to be full of himself. Showing characters acting with "righteousness" when they aren't always acting as such. However I dont think this is one of those questionable moments.
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Whenever someone calls Nie Li a brat, I can't help but chuckle. 😆😏
