5Toubun no Hanayome - Vol. 9 Ch. 72 - The Rumour About the Class Reps
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@198ctcel... uh... no. When their mom died, Ichika felt like she had to be the oldest and be the strongest for her sisters. So she bought the charms for her sister back then. She changed her whole personality from a selfish sister and trouble maker to the oldest sister figure she was. Working for supporting her sisters and mainly her income the reason they were able to move into their own apartment and break from their dad. Putting on a ribbon is not that impressive.
When Ichika told the others they needed to find work to help with bills, the sisters were glad to see the old Ichika show herself. She was awakened by Yotsuba in that chapter that she should start thinking of herself and her feelings. Go Ichika! She's done so much for her sisters. Time to take what's hers.
When Ichika told the others they needed to find work to help with bills, the sisters were glad to see the old Ichika show herself. She was awakened by Yotsuba in that chapter that she should start thinking of herself and her feelings. Go Ichika! She's done so much for her sisters. Time to take what's hers.
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@boag, even though I will say that Nino has opened his eyes to a girls feelings and of relationships, if she had not stopped him from answering her confession she would have been shot down and she knows it because she stopped him. I like Nino and haven't counted out the possibility the author could make it her, but for me the signs still say Ichika.
Nino saw his old pic of him with the dyed hair. If Nino was Rena, she would have known instantly and game over for the rest of them. But she didn't so she is not Rena. You saw scenes where she is thinking about that boy to herself so she didn't know otherwise she wouldnt have acted that way.
Nino saw his old pic of him with the dyed hair. If Nino was Rena, she would have known instantly and game over for the rest of them. But she didn't so she is not Rena. You saw scenes where she is thinking about that boy to herself so she didn't know otherwise she wouldnt have acted that way.
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@nonochan "But how Itsuki is mostly inactive in this fight for Fuutarou is SUSPICIOUS. She’s my 2nd guess for Rena."... If it's not Ichika, then the exact same thought comes to mind.
I mention before that Nino saw the old pic of Fuutarou and went ga ga over him but didn't show any sign she was Rena and that she met him back then.
But Itsuki did acknowledge she saw the pic at beginning when she took Fuutarou home but didn't show to him any signs she cared.... but you don't know if she realized recognized the pic and has been keeping it secret all this time that she remembers him and standing back while the other sisters pursue him and she's hanging back because she doesn't know her own feelings.
I mention before that Nino saw the old pic of Fuutarou and went ga ga over him but didn't show any sign she was Rena and that she met him back then.
But Itsuki did acknowledge she saw the pic at beginning when she took Fuutarou home but didn't show to him any signs she cared.... but you don't know if she realized recognized the pic and has been keeping it secret all this time that she remembers him and standing back while the other sisters pursue him and she's hanging back because she doesn't know her own feelings.
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@donm527 I find Ichika to have not been the one to get the charms. For sure, it could have been... but at least with how she is being represented, her personality has gone a bit too all over the place. Is she that older sister? Or is she a bit of a nervous wreck at times? Saying that all of the dissonant personality traits are just her acting is simply taking her career as a tool for theorycrafting, not a pursuit/passion of hers.
I agree, she's done much for her sisters... but who knows if she took on the expense burden because among the sisters, she was the only one who's identifying passion required getting a job? Yes, it is also likely because "I need to become a reliable sister" but do we see that in how she acts? The Quints seem to go to Itsuki for consol. Nino is the cook. And Ichika is the breadwinner... I'd say that any one of these three could fit being reliable, but none more than the other because of the other flaws they have otherwise in being called "leading example sister."
The way Negi-sensei has setup her chapters too have felt like they had no ounce in "young-Rena." The one key factor? The line that young-Rena had said to Fuutaro: "You are necessary to us." Ichika didn't hold a single candle to that thought when it came to present Fuutaro, and any later chapter about her thoughts of Fuutaro have been peppered with romance that wouldn't exactly befit someone who had met him once in the past.
I'd say Nino and Miku are out for similar reasons I'll mention later in my response to Nono: their interest in Fuutaro only came in the present. Miku came early in the first few chapters, and as you had proven, Nino cared about "the blond young delinquent" not as a person she had met, but simply as "a cool hot dude." Imo, the possibility is zip for Nino in the least. I can only imagine Negi-sensei is padding so many chapters with Nino-service because of this fact actually.
I agree, she's done much for her sisters... but who knows if she took on the expense burden because among the sisters, she was the only one who's identifying passion required getting a job? Yes, it is also likely because "I need to become a reliable sister" but do we see that in how she acts? The Quints seem to go to Itsuki for consol. Nino is the cook. And Ichika is the breadwinner... I'd say that any one of these three could fit being reliable, but none more than the other because of the other flaws they have otherwise in being called "leading example sister."
The way Negi-sensei has setup her chapters too have felt like they had no ounce in "young-Rena." The one key factor? The line that young-Rena had said to Fuutaro: "You are necessary to us." Ichika didn't hold a single candle to that thought when it came to present Fuutaro, and any later chapter about her thoughts of Fuutaro have been peppered with romance that wouldn't exactly befit someone who had met him once in the past.
I'd say Nino and Miku are out for similar reasons I'll mention later in my response to Nono: their interest in Fuutaro only came in the present. Miku came early in the first few chapters, and as you had proven, Nino cared about "the blond young delinquent" not as a person she had met, but simply as "a cool hot dude." Imo, the possibility is zip for Nino in the least. I can only imagine Negi-sensei is padding so many chapters with Nino-service because of this fact actually.
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@1986ctcel Did quick... scratch that, did a scramble to see where the chapter was for when young Rena appeared. It was 33/34. In these chapters she distinctly says "I want to set an example." I don't think this necessarily means to change, but could also mean that. However, Itsuki also fits this description because in the latter chapters, it's apparent that she tried to be "the new mother" of the five when their mother passed away, stating in ch41 that she had resolved to lead everyone in place of their mother (although to no apparent progress). Admittedly, I find that this may be something different from what young-Rena had meant, since I don't think "being a mother figure" necessitates "setting an example."
Reviewing the older chapters though offered a bonk in the head for me, because I had heavily downplayed Itsuki's possibility as Rena. I say this because I thought the scene with Rena had occurred immediately after the scene when he talked with Itsuki in the park, making it "too difficult for Itsuki to change out into Rena." Even then, the way Itsuki drops supposed "hints" of being Rena feel less deliberate. If she is Rena, then it's done too... clean cut? Compared to Yotsuba where it feels more like an actual young adult trying to maintain some deep secret plan but is not succeeding, the time Itsuki has been given screentime that has been meant to move forward the "Rena of the past" plot, Itsuki's response or reactions have felt... not necessarily flat, but actually disconnected from Fuutaro. People can say she's acting, but then why isn't she the actress than Ichika?
Anyways, went off topic. It seems that Yotsuba and Itsuki are really the only ones I would say are "young Rena." Most of their development don't rely on being in the present (Nino, Ichika and Miku all realize their "love" now, not since before): Yotsuba seems to have some affinity to Fuutaro in the first place, and Itsuki's first heroine status and her lack of any romantic arcs give to that. Both have some leading connection to young-Rena in the sense that they changed around when Rena had met Fuutaro to say "I want to set an example." This is all separate from any theories of who was "current Rena" or "the girl who kissed Fuutaro" fyi.
Reviewing the older chapters though offered a bonk in the head for me, because I had heavily downplayed Itsuki's possibility as Rena. I say this because I thought the scene with Rena had occurred immediately after the scene when he talked with Itsuki in the park, making it "too difficult for Itsuki to change out into Rena." Even then, the way Itsuki drops supposed "hints" of being Rena feel less deliberate. If she is Rena, then it's done too... clean cut? Compared to Yotsuba where it feels more like an actual young adult trying to maintain some deep secret plan but is not succeeding, the time Itsuki has been given screentime that has been meant to move forward the "Rena of the past" plot, Itsuki's response or reactions have felt... not necessarily flat, but actually disconnected from Fuutaro. People can say she's acting, but then why isn't she the actress than Ichika?
Anyways, went off topic. It seems that Yotsuba and Itsuki are really the only ones I would say are "young Rena." Most of their development don't rely on being in the present (Nino, Ichika and Miku all realize their "love" now, not since before): Yotsuba seems to have some affinity to Fuutaro in the first place, and Itsuki's first heroine status and her lack of any romantic arcs give to that. Both have some leading connection to young-Rena in the sense that they changed around when Rena had met Fuutaro to say "I want to set an example." This is all separate from any theories of who was "current Rena" or "the girl who kissed Fuutaro" fyi.
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@GreenMoriyama Re-read chapter 11 and you'll see Ichika's character and why she took up acting after she was scouted. She didn't pursue it, it found her and she made a reason in trying to be successful. She has her flirty and carefree atitude but even Fuutaro saw it in that chapter her true nature and called her out on it. He's been seeing it in her since and shows in later chapters.
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@GreenMoriyama, Chapter 66, Itchika telling Yotsuba, "It's only natural I had to act as the older sister" when their mom passed away and she saw Itsuki depressed. And Youtuba telling her, "even though she was an unlikeable boss, you were our leader." ... it's apparant Ichika was trying to be the new mother at least leader for her sisters (Rena) and all her sisters saw her as that.
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Found this brilliant insight on reddit, by mettheuser123
“There is a small detail at the end that might not come across as obviously in english than in japanese. Yotsuba uses almost exclusively keigo (polite speech) whenever speaking to anyone besides her sisters. However at the end when telling her classmates again that she is not going out with Fuutarou and that there is no way they would date, she was using tameguchi (casual speech). I think the significance here is that those were not her words in reply to her classmates' question but rather, she was repeating Fuutarou's very own words of rejection towards her. It feels like she was reminding herself to know her place with regards to Fuutarou rather than actually replying to the two girls.
(I like that the translator used the same exact words for Fuutarou and Yotsuba: "There's no way that'd happen" but i would have preferred "Hell no" to be used instead of "Nope" to keep a consistent theme that Yotsuba was repeating Fuutarou at the end)
We've got an angel down over here boys. I think Yotsuba was hurt real bad when Fuutarou so casually dismissed even the notion they could go out.
I fear for our poor little angel as we already know her entire sense of self-worth revolves around being useful to others and she has virtually no ego to speak of. Then now, the one time she entertains the thought of someone possibly having interest in her as a person (thanks to the two girls planting strange ideas in her head), she gets shut down mercilessly. I think Fuutarou just accidentally shattered what little ego she might have had left.“
“There is a small detail at the end that might not come across as obviously in english than in japanese. Yotsuba uses almost exclusively keigo (polite speech) whenever speaking to anyone besides her sisters. However at the end when telling her classmates again that she is not going out with Fuutarou and that there is no way they would date, she was using tameguchi (casual speech). I think the significance here is that those were not her words in reply to her classmates' question but rather, she was repeating Fuutarou's very own words of rejection towards her. It feels like she was reminding herself to know her place with regards to Fuutarou rather than actually replying to the two girls.
(I like that the translator used the same exact words for Fuutarou and Yotsuba: "There's no way that'd happen" but i would have preferred "Hell no" to be used instead of "Nope" to keep a consistent theme that Yotsuba was repeating Fuutarou at the end)
We've got an angel down over here boys. I think Yotsuba was hurt real bad when Fuutarou so casually dismissed even the notion they could go out.
I fear for our poor little angel as we already know her entire sense of self-worth revolves around being useful to others and she has virtually no ego to speak of. Then now, the one time she entertains the thought of someone possibly having interest in her as a person (thanks to the two girls planting strange ideas in her head), she gets shut down mercilessly. I think Fuutarou just accidentally shattered what little ego she might have had left.“
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@donm527 Much appreciate the pointers. Can't get to every detail... or I just need to do my own research better. I am better convinced that Ichika was meant to fulfill the insecure older sister role, and that her moments of weakness have been shown as that gap between "reliability" and "vulnerability"... although I still find some of moments with her jarring (mentioned in my response to Nono). May just be because I haven't found characters like Ichika (flirty/carefree, but actually lacking in certain certainty) to be my appeal, maybe...
Even then, I do admit to not being convinced of your absolute statement of "Ichika=Rena." She was scouted, and she road the opportunity, yes. However, as mentioned, Itsuki also wanted to be a leading figure. It feels then that the two at the least took different approaches to "changing" in order to support the family: Ichika took to doing it financially as the actual eldest sister, and the one doing what she can to realize the others' needs; Itsuki on the other hand believed herself to be the most level headed, thus the more... emotional support? As mentioned again, young-Rena wanted to "set an example" and also stated how Fuutaro was necessary to it all... but with the two above, that does not exactly apply based on how Ichika and Itsuki have interacted with Fuutaro. Of course, I could be jumping the gun and may be assuming that young-Rena needed Fuutaro for the years to come. Something just does not click.
Even if Ichika was trying to be a leader, young-Rena does not fit into that description. How she acts wouldn't match with the bit-bosy old Ichika, neither what could be assumed to be her new responsibility of "responsible leader." It doesn't mean the other four, if they wanted, wouldn't want to do something for the other sisters. We have enough to say for the other three (Miku shows the least sign that she had wanted to change five years ago in reaction to their mother's passing) would have done what young-Rena had done.
@KoreJi Thank you for bringing that insight over here. Even if it was not your insight, it helps get ideas across that may be missed when insulating discussion to just here. Certainly wondered how Yotsuba's statement was being said in the original Japanese, since we all know that there can be much lost in translations, but I hadn't had the opportunity to search online for the original raws.
Even then, I do admit to not being convinced of your absolute statement of "Ichika=Rena." She was scouted, and she road the opportunity, yes. However, as mentioned, Itsuki also wanted to be a leading figure. It feels then that the two at the least took different approaches to "changing" in order to support the family: Ichika took to doing it financially as the actual eldest sister, and the one doing what she can to realize the others' needs; Itsuki on the other hand believed herself to be the most level headed, thus the more... emotional support? As mentioned again, young-Rena wanted to "set an example" and also stated how Fuutaro was necessary to it all... but with the two above, that does not exactly apply based on how Ichika and Itsuki have interacted with Fuutaro. Of course, I could be jumping the gun and may be assuming that young-Rena needed Fuutaro for the years to come. Something just does not click.
Even if Ichika was trying to be a leader, young-Rena does not fit into that description. How she acts wouldn't match with the bit-bosy old Ichika, neither what could be assumed to be her new responsibility of "responsible leader." It doesn't mean the other four, if they wanted, wouldn't want to do something for the other sisters. We have enough to say for the other three (Miku shows the least sign that she had wanted to change five years ago in reaction to their mother's passing) would have done what young-Rena had done.
@KoreJi Thank you for bringing that insight over here. Even if it was not your insight, it helps get ideas across that may be missed when insulating discussion to just here. Certainly wondered how Yotsuba's statement was being said in the original Japanese, since we all know that there can be much lost in translations, but I hadn't had the opportunity to search online for the original raws.
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@GreenMoriyama As I mentioned earlier, I'm not completely counting out it being Itsuki. Like I said she saw his pic in his student book in the first chapters and she could have known from the very beginning but because of the awkward first (second) meeting in the cafeteria and everything afterwards like seeing Miku interested in him she's hung back all this time but the Author has given them some moments where it can mean something more later. But Fuutaro and Ichika have quite a few tender moments between them too throughout the chapters.
Miku is out from this chapter. Yotsuba too. Nino outside chance but again like I said often if she was Rena and recognized the boy in pic as Fuutaro, than she's so agressive it would be game over.
Author in the end could make it anyone of them and it can either make sense or piss out the masses. We'll see lol.
Miku is out from this chapter. Yotsuba too. Nino outside chance but again like I said often if she was Rena and recognized the boy in pic as Fuutaro, than she's so agressive it would be game over.
Author in the end could make it anyone of them and it can either make sense or piss out the masses. We'll see lol.
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@donm527 To me, the fact that you say Yotsuba is out is a clear indication that you're just wanting your point to be proven. Yes, I know this is pointing fingers, but I'd say that Yotsuba is not out, and there haven't been any hard evidence in story as Miku or Nino have had to say such for Yotsuba. Her being in the shadows in what she's actually thinking may not have played to giving her the best presentation to most people, but if you clue in correctly, that mystery gives room to what depth she may have that author has not given off. I've read enough stories to at least believe that I have a sense for characters who has that kind of depth than simply being stuck to being "support character with not much going on actually." But if you're going to standby saying that one statement... well, I'll take that any discussion from here on from you is not going to be as much the while since I can't helping feeling that something is marred in your statements.
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@GreenMoriyama. I do want my point to be proven by the examples that I've shown that should back it up... But me saying Yotsuba is out... it's because when she asked him if she was the one he is in love with, he said, "Hell no." Not just, "Sorry, no." ... "Hell no." So he doesn't have an ounce of romantic love for her.
We're 72 chapters into this story. I personally don't see this story stretching long enough for what is needed to develop a Yotsuba romance. I could be wrong. That's why I'm saying she's out.
It's not just about reading the feelings of the girls... it's reading his feelings about each girl too. And he asked her why she mentioned Miku in that section... that's why I think Miku is out too.
We're 72 chapters into this story. I personally don't see this story stretching long enough for what is needed to develop a Yotsuba romance. I could be wrong. That's why I'm saying she's out.
It's not just about reading the feelings of the girls... it's reading his feelings about each girl too. And he asked her why she mentioned Miku in that section... that's why I think Miku is out too.
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