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@RadioForrest I think you're misunderstanding something. That stuff isn't the hook, you can find that concept in Nisekoi. This one is about a harem where the character development is organic and believable, basically a level-up of all other generic harem stories out there.
Also, I suggest that you just wait for the anime since it'll probably save you time. It's coming out next season.
Be ready for the waifu war tho
Also, I suggest that you just wait for the anime since it'll probably save you time. It's coming out next season.
Be ready for the waifu war tho
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@DANDAN_THE_DANDAN , thanks but no thanks. If it's anything like Nisekoi then I'm glad I dropped it. I'll never see how anything with this intro and premise will have organic character development.
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@RadioForrest Well, this is one of those things with a questionable premise that ends up gold like Slime Tensei. At first my expectations for this are rock-bottom too thanks to that ecchi (there's barely any ecchi here so someone remove that tag plz) and harem tags but after binging the series I understand that this is one of those few rare, hidden gems.
In my opinion, I advice you to wait for Mother's Basement or some other anituber to make a video on this since I personally have never seen a harem story done this good before.
Then again, it could be that you're just not into harems and that's perfectly reasonable and valid reason to not continue with this.
In my opinion, I advice you to wait for Mother's Basement or some other anituber to make a video on this since I personally have never seen a harem story done this good before.
Then again, it could be that you're just not into harems and that's perfectly reasonable and valid reason to not continue with this.
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@DANDAN_THE_DANDAN, it's not the Ecchi and Harem tags that are off-putting, it's that none, save the MC and his family, of them are likeable. The payoff at the end is that he marries one(+?) of them, yet none are given any worth to begin with. All 5 are weak-willed, but the one that is screwing him over is getting more attention...why? How many chapters would I have to go through before she turns tsun- or whatever -dere she'll be labelled as?
Negi having them all be identical is the worst choice in story telling ever, because he begs the reader to be interested in remembering the names of 5 girls that are uninteresting other than the quirks given. You've got a slobbish gamer; headset girl that later is big on history; upbeat genki; a tomboy; and a bitch. They all then piss-off after the worst girl intervenes during the study session, making none of them worth rooting for. What I gotta go for now is to wait for the MC to focus on whatever girl I fancy from Negi's Grab Bag of Cliches, which again could take Xx amount of chapters. Negi could very well be laying a trail of gold dust to the Holy Grail of harems, but I don't want to wade through the sewers and landfills to get there.
Negi having them all be identical is the worst choice in story telling ever, because he begs the reader to be interested in remembering the names of 5 girls that are uninteresting other than the quirks given. You've got a slobbish gamer; headset girl that later is big on history; upbeat genki; a tomboy; and a bitch. They all then piss-off after the worst girl intervenes during the study session, making none of them worth rooting for. What I gotta go for now is to wait for the MC to focus on whatever girl I fancy from Negi's Grab Bag of Cliches, which again could take Xx amount of chapters. Negi could very well be laying a trail of gold dust to the Holy Grail of harems, but I don't want to wade through the sewers and landfills to get there.
There is no anituber that can convince me otherwise, mostly because none of them are worth watching
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@RadioForrest Alright, now I see why you're not enjoying this.
Take note that all spoiler tags contain legit spoilers.
You haven't given enough time for the characters to develop and show their reason as to why you should love them. I mentioned that this is a harem story with the most organic character development ever. Well, you wouldn't fall in love at someone in first sight, right? Actually wait, a lot of normies do that. Well, um... just hear me out.
1. They look like each other so they dress up as each other
2. Not Nisekoi but actually is
3. Some people can only tell them apart through their quirks
4. Family
In a chapter of the
(which personally is my favourite because it contains the most amount of character development in an arc) Fuutarou actually meets
This is a huge mystery. Alright it is kinda Nisekoi minus
but this meeting is actually a huge character development stage. Next one is not Nisekoi.
Very often do the quints dress as each other to fool not only MC Fuutarou but also unimportant background characters. And MC isn't always the one fooled. In one chapter where
her losing her pride. If this is not good, clever, and creative writing, I don't know what is.
The quints are actually
Sounds cliche? Don't worry.
This is the first confession of the series although
And those alone should prove why this cliche is used properly by Negi.
This event is far too huge to convey in a paragraph so...
And if you're wandering about the mother,
so I'm guessing that Negi hasn't unveiled all his plot points. Also, they're sisters so they know each other very well.
Also, the fact that they are quints is a very important character development for
she cuts her hair.
And sometimes the quints act as a quint and less as five individuals. One time after
Oh man I butchered the spoiler tags... didn't know you can't overlap them so I ended up panicking when spoilers are sheer naked. I purposely left some details exposed to make you curious.
TL;DR
If you avoid reading this because you think that this series have no character development, you are wrong. There are plenty of that but you haven't given enough time to love these characters. You know how you instantly like Fuutarou? The girls take time but they're 100% worth it.
The character developments are powerful, creative, well-written, organic, very believable, very relatable, and very lovable. Art takes time.
And if you still don't like it then romance isn't what you're into.
Take note that all spoiler tags contain legit spoilers.
You haven't given enough time for the characters to develop and show their reason as to why you should love them. I mentioned that this is a harem story with the most organic character development ever. Well, you wouldn't fall in love at someone in first sight, right? Actually wait, a lot of normies do that. Well, um... just hear me out.
And this is exactly why there's a lot of room for character development. Well, actually the pacing is actually quite slow.
At the beginning they show no interest in our MC, Fuutarou. Why do you watch (I'm assuming you do for the sake of the argument) My Hero Academia when you know Deku's gonna be number one? It's the journey that matters.
The fact that all five are quintuplets actually provide an organic environment for a harem so don't blame Negi on that. Also, this plays a very important plot point in the story and not just that Nisekoi concept. Here's the non-spoiler version:
1. They look like each other so they dress up as each other
2. Not Nisekoi but actually is
3. Some people can only tell them apart through their quirks
4. Family
In a chapter of the
Seven Goodbyes arc
"a sixth twin" who calls herself Rena. The quints are named in their birth order (Ichika as in ichi/one; Miku as in mi/three. According to the comments Rena means zero) and her hairstyle, personality, and quirks fit none of them.
the passage of time
Very often do the quints dress as each other to fool not only MC Fuutarou but also unimportant background characters. And MC isn't always the one fooled. In one chapter where
Itsuki (stars) is being hard-headed about refusing Fuutarou's teaching assistant. She borrowed Miku's headphones to listen to music and concentrate on self-studying. Fuutarou takes advantage of this and pretends to confuse Itsuki for Miku because of the headphones and that way he is able to teach Itsuki without
The quints are actually
the daughters of a very rich man.
The reason people changed calling Nino a tsundere and instead a smugdere is because she obliterated the "Oh what? I couldn't her you over the wind! cliche on her confession at chapter 60. I told you this has slow pacing.
Miku is the first one to be secretly in love with Fuutarou.
This event is far too huge to convey in a paragraph so...
1. Fuutarou wonders why the quint's father isn't there with them.
2. Fuutarou decides to quit (this is not unnecessary drama and instead a powerful character development for himself and the quints)
3. On his way out, he points out to the father of his incompetency as the quint's parent.
4. A wild father appears!
(This is also not unnecessary drama)
2. Fuutarou decides to quit (this is not unnecessary drama and instead a powerful character development for himself and the quints)
3. On his way out, he points out to the father of his incompetency as the quint's parent.
4. A wild father appears!
(This is also not unnecessary drama)
And if you're wandering about the mother,
it's explicitly stated that she died although they did mention somewhere that this is their step-father and not their real father
Also, the fact that they are quints is a very important character development for
Nino as she points out that she couldn't move on from the past when the five are so similar that their personalities are the same. She is the only one who kept her hair long as evidence. When she is finally able to move on thanks to Fuutarou and her sisters,
And sometimes the quints act as a quint and less as five individuals. One time after
Fuutarou quits being their tutor, the quints altogether agrees to move out of their father's money, protection, and guidance and live on their own using the money they raised themselves and a cheap apartment they rented to be able to see Fuutarou (not unnecessary drama but instead character development).
Oh man I butchered the spoiler tags... didn't know you can't overlap them so I ended up panicking when spoilers are sheer naked. I purposely left some details exposed to make you curious.
TL;DR
If you avoid reading this because you think that this series have no character development, you are wrong. There are plenty of that but you haven't given enough time to love these characters. You know how you instantly like Fuutarou? The girls take time but they're 100% worth it.
The character developments are powerful, creative, well-written, organic, very believable, very relatable, and very lovable. Art takes time.
And if you still don't like it then romance isn't what you're into.
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And just to add a few things...
At first I dropped Violet Evergardren at the first episode. Why? I thought, "There is no way an interesting plot can develop from the concept of 'pretty girl that was traumatized by war tries to understand love by writing people's letters'". After a random youtuber convinced me to watch episode 2, I got hooked. And frankly I was thankful because I didn't have to wait seven days for a new episode and binge it all in a go.
So give this manga a chance. I promise you that if you're looking for quality character depth, you will find it here. Chapter 10 isn't even that deep yet.
And just to add a few things...
At first I dropped Violet Evergardren at the first episode. Why? I thought, "There is no way an interesting plot can develop from the concept of 'pretty girl that was traumatized by war tries to understand love by writing people's letters'". After a random youtuber convinced me to watch episode 2, I got hooked. And frankly I was thankful because I didn't have to wait seven days for a new episode and binge it all in a go.
So give this manga a chance. I promise you that if you're looking for quality character depth, you will find it here. Chapter 10 isn't even that deep yet.
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@DANDAN_THE_DANDAN , It has been ~230 pages from Ch1-10. I'm not looking for romance from the get-go, I just want a reason to care for any of those girls. From those spoilers the only kick I'd get from this story is the absurdity of the plot. I don't necessarily like Uesugi or his family since they're also cliches, but they haven't done anything to incite hate as opposed to the girls. I suppose I'll give it one more go, but it's just sad that the author himself couldn't bring me to enjoy his work in 200 pages; a fan had to drag me back in. If I do find a best girl, she'll probably get thrown to the curb because only 1 will get chosen, and if it goes full harem I still doubt that Negi is capable of juggling 6 characters with any depth. Into the dumpster bin I go
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@RadioForrest what you choose to grind through is totally up to you but I'm in agreement with @DANDAN_THE_DANDAN. This manga has one of the most organic development, even though I feel like those developments are kickstarted by cliche scenarios but I digress. Funnily enough for me, the characters that incite hate stands in a better place, specifically how Nino is a total bitch at first but I'd take that over Itsuki who just sort of exists and stays relevant because her introduction and depiction points to the fact that she's probably the end girl (eerily similar to Nisekoi). I do have a shallow taste in characters though so take this with a grain of salt.
And I initially had the same cautiousness as you do, but I'm not really disappointed with where the manga is going so far, because character developments are far superior than that of Nisekoi. And hopefully it stays that way.
And I initially had the same cautiousness as you do, but I'm not really disappointed with where the manga is going so far, because character developments are far superior than that of Nisekoi. And hopefully it stays that way.
Nino needs to fuck off. She's terrible.
I don't really get what her character is supposed to be. Is it just tsundere? She's incredibly dishonest about her feelings and also a stubborn asshole. I guess those are character traits, but I feel we're supposed to like all 5 for different reasons. I like every other quintuplet, but very much dislike Nino.
It could be worse. As much I dislike Nino she's about a million times better than Chitoge from Nisekoi. Chitoge was basically just someone ticking off boxes on a list of tsundere traits. She was paper thin and it was like she exists to fulfill some arbitrary criteria. She doesn't feel like character. As far as I am concerned Nisekoi could have basically been written by very elaborate computer program—it doesn't feel like it was written by entity that had ever experienced human interaction. Even if I don't like Nino, she's not too awful. Though I am a little confused by her change of heart.
But seriously, Nino needs to go away. Miku is best girl and I won't have anyone getting in her way.
I have mixed feeling about her confession. I mean it does take her from being in "last place" to out in front, but she's still terrible. It does make things interesting
I don't really get what her character is supposed to be. Is it just tsundere? She's incredibly dishonest about her feelings and also a stubborn asshole. I guess those are character traits, but I feel we're supposed to like all 5 for different reasons. I like every other quintuplet, but very much dislike Nino.
It could be worse. As much I dislike Nino she's about a million times better than Chitoge from Nisekoi. Chitoge was basically just someone ticking off boxes on a list of tsundere traits. She was paper thin and it was like she exists to fulfill some arbitrary criteria. She doesn't feel like character. As far as I am concerned Nisekoi could have basically been written by very elaborate computer program—it doesn't feel like it was written by entity that had ever experienced human interaction. Even if I don't like Nino, she's not too awful. Though I am a little confused by her change of heart.
But seriously, Nino needs to go away. Miku is best girl and I won't have anyone getting in her way.
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why confused? it's called character development, aka things happen and people change.
Of course in case of Nino the big change is how she views Fuutarou. In case you don't understand, Nino cares deeply about people she likes, but will make life a living hell for those she dislikes. What happened is Fuutaro shifted from her dislike list to her like list. I know first impressions are really strong, but you still cling to that first introduction even now. Also note that Fuutarou himself while noticing that Nino at first despised him, he didn't respond to that by being a jerk back, instead he acknowledged and even tried figuring out as to why she held that stance.
Also notice how relationships evolved. The reason Miku and Ichika are both liking Fuutarou is because he was straight forward with them from the start. For Miku he acknowledged and encouraged her enthusiasm for history and generals and helped her rethink her stance of equality for all sisters, and for Ichika he supported and acknowledged her choice of career and even disclosed the real reason he chose to be their tutor.
Now with Nino he did the same, he was straightforward when he told her he understands that she loves her sisters very much since he also has a sister, but it wasn't enough here as he was hated in the beginning, more needed to happen and it did, ofc Negi laid out these events. There were 2 instances in which Nino had no choice but to rely on Fuutarou and in both of those instances he pulled through. The first was when during the fireworks festival, he had to round up everyone, ofc Ichika didn't make it as she had her audition, but that chapter concluded with Nino telling Fuutarou "good job" at the end through her teeth. So you know, that's some praise from her despite not liking it and the second time was when Itsuki was passing off as Ichika during skiing, they thought Itsuki got lost, but Fuutarou realizes that it's Itsuki with them since she called him "Usuegi" earlier while Ichika does use his first name, again at that time Nino asked "Can i trust you with this one?" and ofc it worked out.
I mentioned these first as they're easy to overlook as trivial, but then add the actual progress for grades, add the whole Kintarou ordeal, add the change in perspective Nino also went through before their exams and i don't know, to me it seems a pretty nice direction.
Of course in case of Nino the big change is how she views Fuutarou. In case you don't understand, Nino cares deeply about people she likes, but will make life a living hell for those she dislikes. What happened is Fuutaro shifted from her dislike list to her like list. I know first impressions are really strong, but you still cling to that first introduction even now. Also note that Fuutarou himself while noticing that Nino at first despised him, he didn't respond to that by being a jerk back, instead he acknowledged and even tried figuring out as to why she held that stance.
Also notice how relationships evolved. The reason Miku and Ichika are both liking Fuutarou is because he was straight forward with them from the start. For Miku he acknowledged and encouraged her enthusiasm for history and generals and helped her rethink her stance of equality for all sisters, and for Ichika he supported and acknowledged her choice of career and even disclosed the real reason he chose to be their tutor.
Now with Nino he did the same, he was straightforward when he told her he understands that she loves her sisters very much since he also has a sister, but it wasn't enough here as he was hated in the beginning, more needed to happen and it did, ofc Negi laid out these events. There were 2 instances in which Nino had no choice but to rely on Fuutarou and in both of those instances he pulled through. The first was when during the fireworks festival, he had to round up everyone, ofc Ichika didn't make it as she had her audition, but that chapter concluded with Nino telling Fuutarou "good job" at the end through her teeth. So you know, that's some praise from her despite not liking it and the second time was when Itsuki was passing off as Ichika during skiing, they thought Itsuki got lost, but Fuutarou realizes that it's Itsuki with them since she called him "Usuegi" earlier while Ichika does use his first name, again at that time Nino asked "Can i trust you with this one?" and ofc it worked out.
I mentioned these first as they're easy to overlook as trivial, but then add the actual progress for grades, add the whole Kintarou ordeal, add the change in perspective Nino also went through before their exams and i don't know, to me it seems a pretty nice direction.
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Well...now I get why the chapter arc is called Scrambled Eggs. These girls are playing but aren't playing around anymore. War has begun!
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