A Rank Party wo Ridatsu Shita Ore wa, Moto Oshiego Tachi to Meikyuu Shinbu wo Mezasu. - Ch. 71 - The Key to the Mystery is Simon!?

[Solipsist]

I could get people being persuaded by mere speculation, but it would be just too convenient if Yoke turned out to be right. It's a clever dungeon mechanism, and that's exactly why it's not something meant to be figured out in one go, and then talk about it with absolute confidence. I think the only way it would hold my suspension if disbelief is if Yoke admits he pulled it all out of his ass just so he can be given the green light for the rescue mission.

Sometimes, when I read chapters like that, I think to myself: "Wow, that's pretty clever of him. Would I have guessed that?"
But most of the time, I end up thinking: "Well, of course I would, if I already had a very specific idea in mind, and then had to just literally write it into existence."

It'd be a pretty good excuse for the author, if he'd have the MC claim he actually just made a wild gambit and hoped it'd work. An interesting idea doesn't have to be proven correct or false, tbh.

 

[SpartanJanitor]

switching to this translation from the ripped K-manga release is wild for me due to how there are many areas that need fixing on here.

Tips for the typesetter, shrink the spacing between lines and font size to make text fit better, leaving it all as one font and having the text leave the bubbles just looks lazy. Depending on the software the typesetter is using for the text this might differ, but I recommend using the same line spacing as the font size just because it all matches up nicely. Also when you move a word across 2 lines, do add in a dash at the end the first parts of the word just to improve how it reads.

Excuse the small rant, just reading the chapter these bits were bugging me and wanted to make some suggestions for improvement.

I've also mentioned multiple times at this point that they keep spelling MC's name wrong. It's written as Yuke/Yuuku (JP: ユーク). It's only Katakana so it's really weird how they've kept such a simple translation error for so long.

 

[BehindTheScene]

So... Who/What the hell is Simon? The key to the mystery is Simon?

 

[Bobdillan69]

This chapter and the previous one could have easily been one chapter... this being the one worth actually reading tho XD

 

[gearsky]

Actually, "we're" as a contraction does apply to "we were", as well as "we are"; the latter is simply far more commonly used, is all.

EDIT:

Not really; Thunderpike found them on the very first floor down, but they were on the third-second floor stairs, according to their own travels. What was their goal? To find Yoke's team. His arguments about his own team's goal and Benwood's team's goal also match up. Even if it doesn't work exactly as he's surmised, there's definitely something similar at work, there.

While I have no grounds upon which to confirm or disprove the use of "we're" to mean "we were", the text in question is still incorrect. If we go off of what you're saying and take the "we're" to mean "we were", then the text in that bubble is essentially saying "we we were sent in...", which is clearly incorrect. Even if we use the significantly more common "we are" definition, we still get "we we are sent in...", which is even more incorrect.
Given how common it is to mix up "were" (past-tense plural form of "is") with "we're" (contraction of "we are" or, as you claim, "we were"), the most logical thing to assume here is that whoever made the error mixed those words up and actually meant to put "we were sent in..." which makes perfect grammatical sense in this context.

Edit: Edited to adjust spacing.

 

[androgynous]

It's cool, but why those other parties weren't sent the the same floor, when they too had the same mission as our MC party?

 

[Opor97]

This plot is so retarded. Now that you know how it works why would you seal it off????

 

[Opor97]

So they can now wish for a way to remove the curse, that the Underworld Queen Persephone put on Yoke, as they enter the dungeon and get it.

Probably but the author is too dumb to think of the consequence of his own writing. But it would make perfect sense:
The dungeon can teleport you anywhere so in the underworld....why not in heaven or olymp where there is a goddess who wants to tease the underworld god and removes the cursed seal

 

[dementati]

It's hard to imagine nobody ever thought of this idea before, and there's really no way for them to know for sure that he's right, he's still essentially guessing, but they all act as if its already established fact.

 

[Coldlight]

Not sure why, but the girls all showering him with praise on page 10 felt slightly cringy to me. I guess I'm just tired of seeing the MC usually doing all the heavy lifting and solving things singlehandedly. Would be nice if someone else contributed something to his theory but I guess we can't have that because it ruins things for self-insert enjoyment purposes.

 

[Amariithynar]

I could get people being persuaded by mere speculation, but it would be just too convenient if Yoke turned out to be right. It's a clever dungeon mechanism, and that's exactly why it's not something meant to be figured out in one go, and then talk about it with absolute confidence. I think the only way it would hold my suspension if disbelief is if Yoke admits he pulled it all out of his ass just so he can be given the green light for the rescue mission.

On the other hand, it's a super-dangerous dungeon that is normally sealed and no one except the very best adventurers allowed in, and they don't keep popping in and out of the surface tiers with a second party actively hunting them in a way that breaks the way that dungeons operate everywhere else, with the known issue of spatial tears allowing teleportation between areas on top of it all. While somewhat contrived, their situation was really the only catalyst for that potential train of thought, because otherwise it would just appear to be random, as it has for every other party that has delved into it.

While I have no grounds upon which to confirm or disprove the use of "we're" to mean "we were", the text in question is still incorrect. If we go off of what you're saying and take the "we're" to mean "we were", then the text in that bubble is essentially saying "we we were sent in...", which is clearly incorrect. Even if we use the significantly more common "we are" definition, we still get "we we are sent in...", which is even more incorrect.
Given how common it is to mix up "were" (past-tense plural form of "is") with "we're" (contraction of "we are" or, as you claim, "we were"), the most logical thing to assume here is that whoever made the error mixed those words up and actually meant to put "we were sent in..." which makes perfect grammatical sense in this context.

Edit: Edited to adjust spacing.

Oh, I wasn't indicating that how it was used in chapter is correct grammatically, merely that "we're" can be a contraction of "we were".

 

[jonsmth]

On the other hand, it's a super-dangerous dungeon that is normally sealed and no one except the very best adventurers allowed in, and they don't keep popping in and out of the surface tiers with a second party actively hunting them in a way that breaks the way that dungeons operate everywhere else, with the known issue of spatial tears allowing teleportation between areas on top of it all. While somewhat contrived, their situation was really the only catalyst for that potential train of thought, because otherwise it would just appear to be random, as it has for every other party that has delved into it.

Why didn't previous parties figure it out then? Those are technically more qualified than our protagonist for being veterans. Why believe the protagonist's speculation over others?

Or maybe the theory never really mattered. They just needed to see how confident and determined they are, and not desperate and reckless. If they turn out to be wrong, then they're less likely to sacrifice themselves.

 

[Amariithynar]

Why didn't previous parties figure it out then? Those are technically more qualified than our protagonist for being veterans. Why believe the protagonist's speculation over others?

Or maybe the theory never really mattered. They just needed to see how confident and determined they are, and not desperate and reckless. If they turn out to be wrong, then they're less likely to sacrifice themselves.

I actually covered that already; if they're a competent high-powered team like the best adventurers are going to be, that just goes down investigating the dungeon 'normally' then comes back up, they aren't going to detect anything differently from what was generally already known- that it's a dungeon that changes on every floor. They didn't have any idea that it was different from that at all originally, either; it was the fact that they were found by Simon & gang so easily after he explicitly stated that they just went down one floor after Yuke's team had gone down two that let him come up with that theory, because as I said it breaks the way dungeons operate everywhere else, especially with the known issue of spatial tears allowing teleportation that had been getting addressed prior to the entire big bad dungeon arc.

More than likely he also is basing that guess of the desire sensor on something we the readers have not been explicitly clued into yet but would make sense from a motivation standpoint- Yuke was going in there for information about people close to him (can't recall if it was parents or surrogate parents, but they were important role model figures for him and legendary adventurers) that were believed to be dead because they never returned, and what did he come across? The goddess of the dead, on floor 3.

 

[jonsmth]

I actually covered that already; if they're a competent high-powered team like the best adventurers are going to be, that just goes down investigating the dungeon 'normally' then comes back up, they aren't going to detect anything differently from what was generally already known- that it's a dungeon that changes on every floor. They didn't have any idea that it was different from that at all originally, either; it was the fact that they were found by Simon & gang so easily after he explicitly stated that they just went down one floor after Yuke's team had gone down two that let him come up with that theory, because as I said it breaks the way dungeons operate everywhere else, especially with the known issue of spatial tears allowing teleportation that had been getting addressed prior to the entire big bad dungeon arc.

There's no reason that what they have observed isn't observed by anyone else. Like someone diving down to find someone and immediately getting to them on the first set of stairs. There would have been more dedicated researchers with much more time to investigate than Yoke/Yolk

 

[Amariithynar]

There's no reason that what they have observed isn't observed by anyone else. Like someone diving down to find someone and immediately getting to them on the first set of stairs. There would have been more dedicated researchers with much more time to investigate than Yoke/Yolk

Except the random travel aspect is unique to this dungeon, and only high-level top-tier adventurers, as a party, go into it and come back; there's never been cases of people being in a between-dungeon stairs while being hunted by someone else, in this dungeon. Seriously, you need to go back and re-read the introduction of this dungeon, and the steps they go through regarding their thought processes to reach that conclusion.

 

[jonsmth]

Except the random travel aspect is unique to this dungeon, and only high-level top-tier adventurers, as a party, go into it and come back; there's never been cases of people being in a between-dungeon stairs while being hunted by someone else, in this dungeon. Seriously, you need to go back and re-read the introduction of this dungeon, and the steps they go through regarding their thought processes to reach that conclusion.

There should have been cases of someone delivering a message or performing a rescue. There should have been researchers ambitious enough to be able to join top-tier adventurers.

My point is that the desperate rambling of some youth alone shouldn't have been enough as convincing evidence. It wouldn't have convinced me to let them go back into the dungeon with that alone. There were either cases before already and Yoke simply confirms it, or the theory never actually mattered and he was let go even if he was talking out of his ass. The way the manga depicted it, it didn't suspend disbelief.

 

[Amariithynar]

There should have been cases of someone delivering a message or performing a rescue. There should have been researchers ambitious enough to be able to join top-tier adventurers.

My point is that the desperate rambling of some youth alone shouldn't have been enough as convincing evidence. It wouldn't have convinced me to let them go back into the dungeon with that alone. There were either cases before already and Yoke simply confirms it, or the theory never actually mattered and he was let go even if he was talking out of his ass. The way the manga depicted it, it didn't suspend disbelief.

No there shouldn't have been cases of someone delivering a message; it's the final dungeon, the biggest, hardest, most dangerous one. While people are in there, they are incommunicado, because they can't just send random messenger boys down after them in good conscience, not even if they were decent adventurers themselves (or rather, especially if they were decent adventurers themselves).

Similarly, researcher generally means they're poor adventurer because of the focus on knowledge, and most would end up dead from curiosity and not properly adventuring, unless they're being dragged along by a strong party. Furthermore, we know of only four parties in history that have gone into the dungeon and returned at all; the one that his parents were part of that eventually vanished, the other current supreme party, after the unsealing, and then his group and thunderpike together as part of the process of trying to figure out what the heck is going on with the dungeon. Yuke is basically the closest thing that they have to a researcher-adventurer, because of his quick thinking and generally high intelligence.

Lastly, the explanation to other people mattered only in that it provided them an excuse to allow them to re-enter because it was acknowledged that without permission, they were desperate enough to force their way back in anyways. It was sufficient to be something to check for as a justification. The concept itself was still something that matched up with how events unfolded along with other information gathered until then. Simon also wasn't speaking out of desperation when he was talking about the whole being able to find them bit. If you still can't understand that, that's fine, that's on you, but enough already of willfully refusing to understand that this world is not modern day with its core scientific knowledge, principles, and analysis methods.