A Returner's Magic Should Be Special - Vol. 1 Ch. 39
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Although you brought up something interesting, I would still call it a red herring because although it's related, it's not really what's being debated. The idea that nobody should be scanlating manga/manhwa has been debated for a while now, and personally I don't know the legality of the issue but I know companies like yenpress issue on c&d's on projects so if it happens it happens. Anyway, as far as I know this webcomic is free in its country of origin from what I've seen in the raws.
Well, back to the main argument, I think it's common sense not to skip to chapter 39 off of someone else's work without even communicating with them. What if people did that all the time and all the scanlation groups just gave up since they would get sniped anyway? It's worth arguing against it in order to stop people from copying the snipers.
Although you brought up something interesting, I would still call it a red herring because although it's related, it's not really what's being debated. The idea that nobody should be scanlating manga/manhwa has been debated for a while now, and personally I don't know the legality of the issue but I know companies like yenpress issue on c&d's on projects so if it happens it happens. Anyway, as far as I know this webcomic is free in its country of origin from what I've seen in the raws.
Well, back to the main argument, I think it's common sense not to skip to chapter 39 off of someone else's work without even communicating with them. What if people did that all the time and all the scanlation groups just gave up since they would get sniped anyway? It's worth arguing against it in order to stop people from copying the snipers.
The fuck is this drama for? The guy translated a chapter because he wanted to see how it went and then posted it on reddit for other people to be able to see as well because it turned out well enough, it's not a group sniping and he doesn't seem like he'll turn it into a habit from what he said. He just posted the imgur link and told people they could put it on mangadex if they wanted. Meraki's version of the chapter will be posted soon enough anyway, even he said so, don't see what the fuss is about.
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@Kori4r2 First, if he just wanted to practice he could have chosen some random series and start from the beginning. Secondly, he's the one who posted it on mangadex, not some other people. It's group sniping because he put in chapter 39 instead of 1-39. He didn't communicate with meraki, even though chapters 1-38 were done by them, when he posted it on mangadex and may have demotivated them. The drama is to prevent future occurrences of this disrespectful behavior, and even he himself said he wanted to work on chapter 41, so he clearly doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. All he has to do is offer to work with meraki, not post chapters without giving them a heads up. It's simple respect.
If meraki decides to drop this project because of snipers, what will you say then? Many groups have dropped projects because of snipers in the past so it's better to complain about them now than to let it slide.
If meraki decides to drop this project because of snipers, what will you say then? Many groups have dropped projects because of snipers in the past so it's better to complain about them now than to let it slide.
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No one here is using kakao’s service or giving the author any views/money. The only one profiting here is meraki. Dont understand why people get mad at thieves stealing other theives work.
No one here is using kakao’s service or giving the author any views/money. The only one profiting here is meraki. Dont understand why people get mad at thieves stealing other theives work.
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@flanman I don't think translating a free webcomic is stealing. Raws are linked right here so people don't have to look far.
Anyway, you're overgeneralizing things. You're equating translating a free webcomic to project sniping. If you don't respect meraki enough and even call them thieves, kind of sucks that you read their work. If you scanlated say 100 chapters of a work and someone just takes over out of nowhere and scanlates chapter 101, you wouldn't think that's a bit rude?
Let's extrapolate a little and pretend that for every manga series people will just come out of nowhere and scanlate the next chapter. I'm sure the original groups won't be too pleased with that and maybe 50% or more of those groups would quit scanlating. Is that a conclusion you want to see? It's happened before in the past and it can happen again.
Anyway, you're overgeneralizing things. You're equating translating a free webcomic to project sniping. If you don't respect meraki enough and even call them thieves, kind of sucks that you read their work. If you scanlated say 100 chapters of a work and someone just takes over out of nowhere and scanlates chapter 101, you wouldn't think that's a bit rude?
Let's extrapolate a little and pretend that for every manga series people will just come out of nowhere and scanlate the next chapter. I'm sure the original groups won't be too pleased with that and maybe 50% or more of those groups would quit scanlating. Is that a conclusion you want to see? It's happened before in the past and it can happen again.
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Don't let the haters discourage you, @Swim_North . In any case I doubt Meraki will be unreasonable like the people taking offense on their behalf.
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@firesahoge if I translated 100 chapters and someone did 101, I wouldnt be mad because im not a child throwing a tantrum. Just because someone did it first doesnt mean its ruined.
Translating the webcomic is the same as reuploading someones youtube video. Sure its free content, but the original author gets paid by the views and ad revenue on the ORIGINAL page, all of which are being stolen by scantalators.
Translating the webcomic is the same as reuploading someones youtube video. Sure its free content, but the original author gets paid by the views and ad revenue on the ORIGINAL page, all of which are being stolen by scantalators.
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In his defense, I likely wouldn't have "just chosen some random series" myself if I were practicing. Why pick a series in which I have no passion for, and potentially get the hopes of an entire fanbase up for a series I don't intend to continue and am just using to practice?
Picking a series which:
[ol]1. Already has a dedicated scanlation group for it, so I won't have to do it forever[/ol]
[ol]2. Is of a series I actually like[/ol]
That actually makes a lot of sense from the "practicing" perspective.
Yes, I'd piss some people off in the meantime. But I wouldn't have the baggage of a potential long term commitment, and would have valid reason to want to do it due to my liking of the series.
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THAT would be unquestionably sniping. That would be showing the intent to a group that:
[ol]1. You're passionate about the project[/ol]
[ol]2. You're dedicated to the project[/ol]
Starting from the literal beginning of a series and going beyond the scanlation group would basically be a declaration of war.
In his defense, I likely wouldn't have "just chosen some random series" myself if I were practicing. Why pick a series in which I have no passion for, and potentially get the hopes of an entire fanbase up for a series I don't intend to continue and am just using to practice?
Picking a series which:
[ol]1. Already has a dedicated scanlation group for it, so I won't have to do it forever[/ol]
[ol]2. Is of a series I actually like[/ol]
That actually makes a lot of sense from the "practicing" perspective.
Yes, I'd piss some people off in the meantime. But I wouldn't have the baggage of a potential long term commitment, and would have valid reason to want to do it due to my liking of the series.
Also
THAT would be unquestionably sniping. That would be showing the intent to a group that:
[ol]1. You're passionate about the project[/ol]
[ol]2. You're dedicated to the project[/ol]
Starting from the literal beginning of a series and going beyond the scanlation group would basically be a declaration of war.
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misspelled my name but np. Anyway, I think it's too optimistic to expect everyone to not mind someone "taking over" their project without even a heads up. Scanlating takes hours of precious time sometimes daily, and no one likes feeling like their time is wasted. Implying people who take offense to that are childish is childish in it of itself. People should feel free to speak up if they're being disrespected.
Let's leave the legality of that issue to meraki, I'm sure they considered it and for all we know the author might have given them permission to translate it. Maybe the author might even be grateful for popularizing a previously unknown series for if it does get licensed in the future, who knows. If the author asks them to stop translating, they probably will. Either way, it doesn't have anything to do with the issue of project sniping.
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@TheOneWhoSighs point taken. Well, if he just wanted to practice, he could have just joined one of the many groups out there that need scanlators. As for doing chapters 1-39, I guess we have different definitions of sniping because I'm cool with people doing the same project since it doesn't belong to anyone. But using another group's chapters 1-38 and continuing on without communicating with them is low in my opinion. It's leeching off of others groundwork without even asking.
