Kindly add a status to differentiate between Axed (usually the author do not want to happen because of terrible mangaka) and Completed (which is usually the author wants to happen) series. There should also be a status for something like the author stopping the adaptation of the manga from the LN or similar source (web comic?): Completed v2 or something else. With a bit of a summary what happened to properly give some info to the readers.
Kindly add a status to differentiate between Axed (usually the author do not want to happen because of terrible mangaka) and Completed (which is usually the author wants to happen) series. There should also be a status for something like the author stopping the adaptation of the manga from the LN or similar source (web comic?): Completed v2 or something else. With a bit of a summary what happened to properly give some info to the readers.
From what I know it's to do with the DB they link too for that kinda stuff. But yeah I wish series that were axe-kuned actually said "Cancelled" instead of "Completed"
Cancellations are more explicitly informed:
most (sadly) popular example being Act Age [MAL] [AL] [MU]
(note how there's a cancellation reason specified)
It would be nice if you could add the said official announcement/reason as a description or link as a context to the Cancelled Status instead of a link in description but oh welp
Now, most notably, the things with axed as a manga publication status is
- its harder to track down and cite with: sure the above one's are from Shuukan Shounen Jump and if you've being read from their even for a while you know their strict (often sad) axe schedule but that's not the case with other (Shueisha) magazines
( heck, Dex doesn't have manga info on what manga was published in what magazine yet )
- point being, it might be easier for a few manga but when you have lot more manga its harder to keep track or stay reasonable. This is most likely why the manga trackers (neither the oldest MU nor the oldest AL) have made a similar status
So, while I understand the need to have an Axed status
and would much appreciate not having to invest in an ongoing manga only to be disappointed that it got axed
there are still nuances to be covered
hopefully, we could come up with a newer system that is reliable and inspires other manga trackers to adopt it as well
Cancellations are more explicitly informed:
most (sadly) popular example being Act Age [MAL] [AL] [MU]
(note how there's a cancellation reason specified)
It would be nice if you could add the said official announcement/reason as a description or link as a context to the Cancelled Status instead of a link in description but oh welp
Now, most notably, the things with axed as a manga publication status is
- its harder to track down and cite with: sure the above one's are from Shuukan Shounen Jump and if you've being read from their even for a while you know their strict (often sad) axe schedule but that's not the case with other (Shueisha) magazines
( heck, Dex doesn't have manga info on what manga was published in what magazine yet )
- point being, it might be easier for a few manga but when you have lot more manga its harder to keep track or stay reasonable. This is most likely why the manga trackers (neither the oldest MU nor the oldest AL) have made a similar status
So, while I understand the need to have an Axed status
and would much appreciate not having to invest in an ongoing manga only to be disappointed that it got axed
there are still nuances to be covered
hopefully, we could come up with a newer system that is reliable and inspires other manga trackers to adopt it as well
Cancelled and Axed are used interchangeably, there's functionally no difference. You can argue semantics about how exactly a series gets canned by the publisher, but it's the same result - no more chapters.
People are just going to argue about the distinction in the same way people argued about yuri vs shoujo ai, where they insist there's a difference but no-one can agree on what it is, and we merged those two for a reason.
People are just going to argue about the distinction in the same way people argued about yuri vs shoujo ai, where they insist there's a difference but no-one can agree on what it is, and we merged those two for a reason.
Yes, but why open that can of worms (read: edit wars, locked titles, raged commentors, etc.) by merging Cancelled and Axed (which are unfortunately referring to different things in manga scanlation scenario; I blame WSJ readers for that)
it is easier to just rely on what publishers are already doing: Ongoing/Completed/Hiatus/Cancelled
and what other manga trackers are currently doing
+ having to rely on users (yes, including me) on marking statuses for titles with "the author wasn't able to finish their story", "it was a rushed ending", "it was ended since no sales" are not always rational decisions as we're too close to the case
All I'm saying is Axed is unreliable as a status and we're past that point where marking such "axed" titles as cancelled makes no sense
P.S. Someone please find me examples of manga that are "axed" but not wsj. Closest I can think of is the foot fetish acrobat girl manga but again is it really "axed"
P.S. 2 What does axed even mean for Manhua, Manhwa, and User-created comics anyways
P.S. 3 When Publication Magazine field on each manga so I needn't link to MangaUpdates everytime (not that I mind)
Yes, but why open that can of worms (read: edit wars, locked titles, raged commentors, etc.) by merging Cancelled and Axed (which are unfortunately referring to different things in manga scanlation scenario; I blame WSJ readers for that)
it is easier to just rely on what publishers are already doing: Ongoing/Completed/Hiatus/Cancelled
and what other manga trackers are currently doing
+ having to rely on users (yes, including me) on marking statuses for titles with "the author wasn't able to finish their story", "it was a rushed ending", "it was ended since no sales" are not always rational decisions as we're too close to the case
All I'm saying is Axed is unreliable as a status and we're past that point where marking such "axed" titles as cancelled makes no sense
P.S. Someone please find me examples of manga that are "axed" but not wsj. Closest I can think of is the foot fetish acrobat girl manga but again is it really "axed"
P.S. 2 What does axed even mean for Manhua, Manhwa, and User-created comics anyways
P.S. 3 When Publication Magazine field on each manga so I needn't link to MangaUpdates everytime (not that I mind)
I can only think of one of them for now. (It was already planned to be axed so they rushed and created a new final for the final chapter) Shomin Sample (Manga)
No, not just one. As I said from my original post, we need more variety to identify that status of each series instead of just sticking to something of a general term for all but what's the point of a given status if you can't identify its classes—the real meaning behind it?
i.e. what's the difference of fantasy and isekai? Some say "isekai" is just a sub-genre of "fantasy" and some are against that idea. Then what kind of fantasy it is?
If I perhaps used that analogy. What kind of cancelled it is? The same as the completed/finished/etc status.
To differentiate something from the rest of truly completed in a sense without doubting the database or the status it is in is my goal.
P.S. Thanks to the others who also gave their ideas for this thread.
No, not just one. As I said from my original post, we need more variety to identify that status of each series instead of just sticking to something of a general term for all but what's the point of a given status if you can't identify its classes—the real meaning behind it?
i.e. what's the difference of fantasy and isekai? Some say "isekai" is just a sub-genre of "fantasy" and some are against that idea. Then what kind of fantasy it is?
If I perhaps used that analogy. What kind of cancelled it is? The same as the completed/finished/etc status.
To differentiate something from the rest of truly completed in a sense without doubting the database or the status it is in is my goal.
P.S. Thanks to the others who also gave their ideas for this thread.
This is not a good example, I don't know who's going around stating that isekai is a sub-genre on fantasy because the terms are certainly not interchangeable at all, just because most isekai stories being produced right now are cookie cutter and use a fantasy setting for the world they are transported to does not make isekai, fantasy. The Lion the Witch & the Wardrobe is an isekai, Alice in Wonderland is an isekai, you can be isekai'd into horror, sci-fi, anything really, it's literally just being transported to another world.
If you're looking to find out the reason for a series ending, you might have better luck looking at the tags of a series on mangaupdates. Take Id, for example, that series wasn't actually axed or cancelled, the publisher went bankrupt and the rights to the series is in the wind now. As far as I am aware, even if the author wanted to continue making the series, they don't have the rights to it. Of course I know nothing about Korean copyright law so take that with a grain of salt. So it is eternally in the status of "hiatus." There is also the series, 4 cut hero, that was on hiatus for years and suddenly out of nowhere it just got resumed recently.
This is not a good example, I don't know who's going around stating that isekai is a sub-genre on fantasy because the terms are certainly not interchangeable at all, just because most isekai stories being produced right now are cookie cutter and use a fantasy setting for the world they are transported to does not make isekai, fantasy. The Lion the Witch & the Wardrobe is an isekai, Alice in Wonderland is an isekai, you can be isekai'd into horror, sci-fi, anything really, it's literally just being transported to another world.
If you're looking to find out the reason for a series ending, you might have better luck looking at the tags of a series on mangaupdates. Take Id, for example, that series wasn't actually axed or cancelled, the publisher went bankrupt and the rights to the series is in the wind now. As far as I am aware, even if the author wanted to continue making the series, they don't have the rights to it. Of course I know nothing about Korean copyright law so take that with a grain of salt. So it is eternally in the status of "hiatus." There is also the series, 4 cut hero, that was on hiatus for years and suddenly out of nowhere it just got resumed recently.
Most information the members and staff are giving in MU but not all information are there.
This is all about adding relevant and precise information for the readers/users, the status which are always being generalized makes MD's DB inaccurate or dated to give a more detailed information which we can give to the users by modifying and adding more variety to the statuses that we use nowadays.
The point of the analogy that I came up with was "isekai" as a tag didn't exist until a couple of years ago and nowadays helped people who likes those kinds of stories to use the tag without comparing something else every time they search. There were also some tags that we used i.e. yaoi = boys love and yuri = girls love (or was it shoujo ai?) and makes more sense to the general consumers
Just as you said, we can use MU as a reference but think about it. If we can just add a variety to the status, most users wouldn't need to search for it and makes MD more of a reliable source of info.
Sounds like what you're asking for are advanced tagging features with an enormous meta database, it's probably too much of a hassle to implement, maintain, and moderate. No other manga website/aggregator has this feature either. Can't expect all websites to have tags like danbooru or ehentai to break down the nuances of a specific genre/tag into similar yet implicitly different tags. What I'm getting at here is that mangadex was never meant to be a database. It's like asking why netflix doesn't include information that can be found on imdb, on a TV series/movie page, when searching or browsing their catalogue.
Zeph is probably busy enough at having to moderate discussions, ain't no way they want to settle user disputes over whether or not a manga is X or Y category. I can already see why shoujo ai/yuri, genderbender/crossdressing, axed/cancelled is annoying to deal with. Like I said, you'll just have to use a 3rd party database and hope they'll have the tags you're looking for.
I didn't say it's good, but determining what's "clearly axed" vs author incompetence or literally any other cause is, in the absence of actual written testimony from the author or the publishing company, more a matter of opinion - and even then just a synonym for cancelled.
My point is that a cancelled series that manages to round out a decently satisfying ending wouldn't be "clearly axed", because despite the situation being completely analogous, the level of satisfaction is the determining factor between what's axed and what's cancelled. Axed means the same thing, it just has a more negative connotation.
i.e. what's the difference of fantasy and isekai? Some say "isekai" is just a sub-genre of "fantasy" and some are against that idea. Then what kind of fantasy it is?
If I perhaps used that analogy. What kind of cancelled it is? The same as the completed/finished/etc status.
