Alcohol and Ogre-girls - Vol. 6 Ch. 36

[eviljackspicer]

YOU MAKE OGRE-CHAN CRY.

FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, YOU ARE MY ENEMY

 

[WolfenLady]

"Henlo Darkness my ol' friend" 😢

 

[someone2795]

Oh so the Grandfather is THAT type of person.

 

[ErikTheRed]

Mood

 

[himi-cat]

Ogres are onions

That might explain why my face sometimes gets all wet reading this . . . it was very confusing.

 

[himi-cat]

I would rather be it a "what was once truth no longer is" scenario than a "it was all a lie from the beginning"

I suspect there's several layers of . . . well, shifting foundations might be the best way to put it, I'm not sure that most of it is outright lies (though I'm pretty certain there are plenty of those that have happened as well).

I suspect the core idea of ogres as this super dangerous powerful monster is probably overblown - there are clearly a lot of other monsters out there that are at least as strong as most ogres, and probably ones that are stronger than even the strongest ogres. But they do seem to have plenty of similarities to humans, particularly their social organisation, which would make them a lot more powerful as an organised group than the other strong/stronger but far more individualistic monsters out there. And that would explain the foundational history for all this - a tribe of ogres that happened to be particularly strong was considered a significant threat, and a bunch of human clans ganged up to not only defeat them, but subjugate them long-term.

From there . . . well, subjugating a group of things that are basically human (essentially indistinguishable unless there's alcohol involved), and doing that continuously for hundreds of years . . . that's the kind of thing that's just a mite corrupting.

Particularly given it's all done in the shadows - the Ibuki family is clearly running a very successful business, they're rich, they should by normal standards be commensurately powerful . . . but they're still under the thumb of that historical subjugation. A lot of that seems to be internalised (Mikage is the perfect example of that), but there's probably more going on, both from the human side and the ogre side. The idea that these Four Families are somehow yakuza or similar isn't entirely far fetched, though I have a feeling it's not what we'll see; certainly, though, those families have worked themselves into a pretty messed up situation.

In fact, it almost feels like Isuzu's grandfather might be aware of how messed up things are, and is trying to keep Isuzu out of it . . .

In any case, I'm pretty sure there's not a whole lot of simple in the underlying setting for this story.

 

[himi-cat]

It's not necessarily either a lie from the beginning nor some old truth that no longer is true.

It could just be that, yeah, all the stuff in that conflict, like, happened, but it was always more complicated than the narrative that survived. Oni always had complicated emotions and empathy and friendships, even with humans, but this didn't mean that the conflict didn't happen.

They were two cultures that were at war until one subjugated the other and centuries of oppression had followed. Maybe there were other ways to resolve things, ways toward peaceful coexistence, but no one tried the so now the fact of the matter is that oni have been oppressed for about a millennium and they need to move forward from that.

Ooh, I wrote a bunch of the same thing only different - your way is clearer.

Though I will add that the Ibuki family is clearly very successful in a human-society sense - any subjugation they're under has to be pretty complex in the modern world they're living in now. And I think we're seeing signs that both sides of that subjugation process are entirely aware of that complexity, even while the main characters and their friends are seeing things from a much simpler (more childish?) almost black and white perspective . . .

 

[RexNemorensis]

Suffer not the Ogre to live.
- the Sakata Tenets

 

[deathpigeon]

Though I will add that the Ibuki family is clearly very successful in a human-society sense - any subjugation they're under has to be pretty complex in the modern world they're living in now.

It's somewhat analogous to the way the imperial bureaucracy and jannisarries worked in the Ottoman Empire.

For both of them, they were slaves owned by the Ottoman state who had a bunch of restrictions on them beyond what normal people had (from just disallowing marriage/kids to castration to only allowing them to lease property from the state and never own it themselves). It was, in every sense, subjugation.

But they also did quite well for themselves. They often had fairly comfortable lives and could even be quite wealthy or have influence over state policy.

Obviously, this isn't exactly the same, but it follows similar contours. We're not sure if this has been directly confirmed, but they probably don't actually own the Ibuki group, they just run it. It's human owned, oni run.

 

[REXRequire]

NO HINATA CRYING MAKES ME SAD

 

[Rena-MMM4]

Racist brat, god damn it

 

[Kurro]

People just being people, never going to change.

 

[galaxia9]

Even if she's used to the prejudice, it shows that it always hurts. That she can be so open with her super darling bartender and reveal that pain shows Naori is her safe space, trusted unconditionally. Their relationship is just so sweet and believable. And at least the cause is beginning to question what she's been taught.

 

[archieqb]

these two are the b-plot in Isuzu's whole-ass coming-of-age-and-fighting-monsters manga with 150 issues and an OVA in the works and it's SO FUNNY seeing it from this direction

 

[wlftchtr82]

I was going to make a joke about the Shrek series and us being forced to watch ogre oppression all over again but I gave up.

Catch a flashback of Yorimitsu pulling a Rumpelstiltskin in Shrek Forever After to achieve human supremacy showing I am right in the future...

 

[vvboondoggirl]

gonna drop this theory/interpretation here ahead of time, as ive scoured the discussion threads and didn't really see mention of it and its looking really solid as it maybe somewhat of an answer. silly essay warning !

nvm i will complete the essay on my own time... however
TLDR: I believe there is a sexual appetite that ogres also have in this text, and/or in some way the curse pon humans also hinted at the text is that they are extremely sexually enticing to ogres, and this may be reciprocal. The narrative has hinted and suggested that there is more to ogres and the way they feed numerous times. It happens w/ Mikage assaulting naori as it's very heavily coded as vampiric and theres the whole aching wound hypnotism thing that lends some element of their being a rapturous or nonconsensuality to it. aka there is Lesbian Vampirism happening. Hinata is excited by naori's sexual naivete post-assault, though she herself respects consent and shit after naori asserts her boundaries and god has she been a champ (i would think she would want to prioritize romantic/social bond before sexual too, being uncertain of what is lust or love). Ginka and Doc's dynamic def has some element of reciprocal sexual desire and some CNC play. Her getting fed alcohol being so sexual is of importance as well. There were two big warnings Mikage provided in the beginning, one about naori not understanding ogres, and the other being the lineage thing which has been demystified. the other has not. The only thing i struggle to square is mikages reaction to the attempted assault later that naori faced, though i guess she maybe mistakenly did not perceive her own behavior as egregiously bc she knew her intent. do think tho that cocktail in particular heightened the insensity of ogre x human lust.

im rambling because i've been trying to cook for the last 3 hours lol, but ya,

Still TLDR: Ogres got it bad for bangin humans, hinata's a champ.

basically try re reading with this idea in the back of your head

 

[dabdab-]

Crack theory time: Bet the dad fucked a ogre and she’s the daughter of that. Oni Pussy almost killed him