Ayaka is in Love with Hiroko! - Vol. 2 Ch. 12

[Mangamoz]

I'm just counting down how many chaps are left before end chap 24.

This story just makes me root for the main couple to not get together.

Ayaka deserves better than this.

 

[kaije]

Just a small suggestion: when you're using the word "cohort", I think the correct word would be "colleagues". "Cohort" is just not a word that is used to describe coworkers - it's more you're using a word that is technically correct, but is not used in this context.

Sorry to be a bother. Love Gouma-Den so much, and thank you for your hard work!

 

[Lilisionnach]

Just a small suggestion: when you're using the word "cohort", I think the correct word would be "colleagues". "Cohort" is just not a word that is used to describe coworkers - it's more you're using a word that is technically correct, but is not used in this context.

Sorry to be a bother. Love Gouma-Den so much, and thank you for your hard work!

I think they’re using it right. It’s being used to describe the group of new hires in this instance.

 

[winterume]

damn author san projected hard on Hiroko's as a personal character, no fucking way this is what is this manga all through chapter 23(?)/-24.

 

[Ore]

Fuck off with the overworking culture. Stop sugarcoating it and making it a fucking cult.

 

[Thrembs]

Well, you bungled that.
Pinning someone to the wall and demanding to know if they’re gay is gonna cause problems. Gonna take a while for her to open up. Would have taken a bit without doing that.

I don’t like Ayaka very much anymore.

 

[Thrembs]

as a young worker myself, few things are more annoying than the LGB-T+ people who do nothing but sit around and the second they get called out fall back on the "I'm a minority, you cant touch me" before whining to the blue haired man in a dress at HR and getting one of the three out of thirty people doing something fired and that creates prejudice against further interactions for both people working who are part of those groups and normal people...your sexuality and gender DO NOT belong in work, only how well you can adapt to the workload

Why the hell are you reading this, you weirdo?!

 

[Thrembs]

I really don't buy the "s-she's worried about being outed at work!" when we saw her going a hundred times before "damn, she's such a cutie if only she weren't straight..." in previous chapters.
Of course people will get pissy at her being unable to walk her talk, despite her previously being presented as a ,uh, womanwhore?, now that what she wanted is now at arm's reach. Her characterization is flip-flopping and becoming contradictory and not even in an entertaining way.

You know literally nothing about being in the closet.
So she might have a chance. Is it worth risking her entire way of life (aside her cruising)?
Ayaka isn’t as concerned about people knowing, so if things go wrong, she could be outed, which is a TERRIFYING prospect!
It upends everything to a certain degree. People will see and interact with you at least a little differently. She could LOSE HER JOB AND HOME. That’s legal in most of Japan.

I grew up in the 90s. I remember when no one helped if you got beat up or shunned for being even suspected as queer.
Teachers etc didn’t care. There was a “straight pride” 🤮 rally at my high school.

I haven’t spoken to my parents in 5 years. LIFE CAN CHANGE BIG TIME.


Stop talking about stuff you don’t understand.

 

[Thrembs]

And let’s not forget, Ayaka has already been outed after Hiroko forcefully pulled her out of that bar while drunk. And now Hiroko is avoiding her at work when Ayaka wants to talk about it. Another way to look at it is Ayaka wanting to discuss the possible implications of that revelation and her boss avoiding her. Hiroko is essentially stonewalling any attempt Ayaka can make about trying to keep her own sexuality a secret while at work and Ayaka is forcing that conversation. Hiroko had an opportunity to discuss this in a rational way and didn’t take it.

Now certainly, two wrong don’t make a right, but I can’t say I blame Ayaka too much for doing essentially the same thing that Hiroko did to her.

She very specifically was trying to protect a straight girl. She did nothing to make Ayaka come out. Ayaka was trying to open a door to get with her crush. I respect her courage, but it was partly liquid courage.

 

[Thrembs]

That, for me means she's not ready for any serious relationship (and that goes for all orientation)

…yeah, that’s exactly what it means.
Shes‘s only cruised as far as we know, and has a terrible hit/miss ratio on that.
Hard to get married in the closet, if you take this to the hypothetical extreme.

 

[Thrembs]

Not sure how she would even be outed in the first place. She's been sleeping around since her teens without any problems up to this point. Why would her getting with Ayaka magically change that?

Because she’s a coworker. Too close to home.
She was PINNED TO THE WALL. Ayaka is gonna have to do a lot for me to forgive that.

 

[Lilisionnach]

She very specifically was trying to protect a straight girl. She did nothing to make Ayaka come out. Ayaka was trying to open a door to get with her crush. I respect her courage, but it was partly liquid courage.

Hiroko knew nothing about the situation and in fact escalated it. And protect her from what exactly? Singing karaoke? Being at a lesbian bar? Hiroko’s the one that’s under the assumption that she’s straight.

So then she stops to question her about being at said bar. Again, Ayaka isn’t in the office, this is her personal life. Now her boss is questioning her personal choices and what’s she’s doing on her own time outside of said office. Ayaka gambled and came out of the closet. Followed immediately by puking and passing out because of the running Hiroko put her through. So no chance at dialogue, no chance at saying “hey, don’t spread this around the office”.

Then the next day, when Ayaka is most definitely going to want to talk about what happened while she was drunk, Hiroko just runs away. Avoids her. Makes up excuses to not talk to her. Ayaka pinning her isn’t ideal, either, but neither is completely running away and avoiding her.

I just think it’s rich that everyone wants to harp on Ayaka when Hiroko did something quite similar to a drunk Ayaka. She wasn’t saving a “straight girl”, she got jealous and then tried to play it off. She could’ve easily turned around and walked out of that bar instead of confronting Ayaka on the spot and played it off the next day as going into the wrong bar.

 

[SlightlyQuarky]

People realize this is a flashback to how she fell for Hiroko right? Lmao, people are acting like this is fresh off the ACTUALLY IM STRAIGHT chapter

 

[Midoriha]

You know literally nothing about being in the closet.
So she might have a chance. Is it worth risking her entire way of life (aside her cruising)?
Ayaka isn’t as concerned about people knowing, so if things go wrong, she could be outed, which is a TERRIFYING prospect!
It upends everything to a certain degree. People will see and interact with you at least a little differently. She could LOSE HER JOB AND HOME. That’s legal in most of Japan.

I grew up in the 90s. I remember when no one helped if you got beat up or shunned for being even suspected as queer.
Teachers etc didn’t care. There was a “straight pride” 🤮 rally at my high school.

I haven’t spoken to my parents in 5 years. LIFE CAN CHANGE BIG TIME.


Stop talking about stuff you don’t understand.

Sounds like you should stop projecting, my dude.

 

[FoolTarot]

I will never understand you people. It's a story, there needs to be stakes. It can't just be "Oh there's no reason for us not to get together! Okay, I love you! The End."

 

[Thrembs]

Hiroko knew nothing about the situation and in fact escalated it. And protect her from what exactly? Singing karaoke? Being at a lesbian bar? Hiroko’s the one that’s under the assumption that she’s straight.

So then she stops to question her about being at said bar. Again, Ayaka isn’t in the office, this is her personal life. Now her boss is questioning her personal choices and what’s she’s doing on her own time outside of said office. Ayaka gambled and came out of the closet. Followed immediately by puking and passing out because of the running Hiroko put her through. So no chance at dialogue, no chance at saying “hey, don’t spread this around the office”.

Then the next day, when Ayaka is most definitely going to want to talk about what happened while she was drunk, Hiroko just runs away. Avoids her. Makes up excuses to not talk to her. Ayaka pinning her isn’t ideal, either, but neither is completely running away and avoiding her.

I just think it’s rich that everyone wants to harp on Ayaka when Hiroko did something quite similar to a drunk Ayaka. She wasn’t saving a “straight girl”, she got jealous and then tried to play it off. She could’ve easily turned around and walked out of that bar instead of confronting Ayaka on the spot and played it off the next day as going into the wrong bar.

She had no INTENTION of outing her, genius. She thought she was straight until she came out!
SHE WASNT ASKING IF SHE WAS GAY, SHE WAS CONFUSED WHY THIS GIRL SHE THOUGHT WAS STRAIGHT WAS IN THERE. She was removing her from a gay situation.
She wasn’t trying to drag her out of the closet.

 

[Thrembs]

Sounds like you should stop projecting, my dude.

That makes zero sense.
My entire argument comes from experience, as such, I can speak to what being closeted is like. I’m not projecting, I’m dropping facts.
If people are calling Hiroko a liar for being in the closet and praising Ayaka then they have no idea what it’s like.

Hiroko is a nitwit, but Ayaka… uuuuugh. All these comment sections have done is make me just hate her.

They’re both so shallow, too.
Hmm. I have no reason to keep reading this drivel.

 

[Luke_chase]

ok but literally nothing happened this chapter it was a flashback, why people complaining about Hiroko's actions/inactions

 

[Thrembs]

ok but literally nothing happened this chapter it was a flashback, why people complaining about Hiroko's actions/inactions

What the hell else is there to talk about?
It’s just this bitch being sad and reminiscing about deciding to be in love with a coworker in order to care about anything aside being a cog in a machine.

Two jackasses… who cares.

 

[Luke_chase]

What the hell else is there to talk about?
It’s just this bitch being sad and reminiscing about deciding to be in love with a coworker in order to care about anything aside being a cog in a machine.

Two jackasses… who cares.

aight drop it
(my statement wasn't aimed at you, it was a reaction to seeing literally the first message in the comments being about stuff that didn't even happen this chapter)

People realize this is a flashback to how she fell for Hiroko right? Lmao, people are acting like this is fresh off the ACTUALLY IM STRAIGHT chapter

^ my point exactly