Casual chatting thread

[DavidianMillerian]

...and he's gone, gone, gone

 

[BestBoy]

I wonder what the next alt will be named

 

[yogurtman250]

...and he's gone, gone, gone

The entirety of his messages got wiped... tripped me up when that happened But who's the person he was going to expose?

 

[DavidianMillerian]

The entirety of his messages got wiped... tripped me up when that happened But who's the person he was going to expose?

@vmman

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

I wonder what the next alt will be named

keeping a sharp eye out for LuxDragon

 

[yogurtman250]

...which laws in several jurisdictions (including the UK, where MD is registered as a corporation) already do. Meaning hosting the material is, in a very real legal sense, the exact same thing in the eyes of those governments. As one of the devs said a quarter hour ago on the discord, concerning these events and the motivation for them:

This would've gone a lot smoother if they did the following things
tell people the enforcement beforehand and exactly why they did it
try not to be rude when the majority of your oldest readers are going to be affected by the enforcement
give them like a week notice

 

[DavidianMillerian]

This would've gone a lot smoother if they did the following things
tell people the enforcement beforehand and exactly why they did it
try not to be rude when the majority of your oldest readers are going to be affected by the enforcement
give them like a week notice

hindsight's a bitch, isn't it?

 

[Data_Gold]

...and he's gone, gone, gone

Betting a 4th dragon account before jerco, lulz, msml or the others! ૮^ᆺ^ა

 

[Angry_Panda]

This would've gone a lot smoother if they did the following things
tell people the enforcement beforehand and exactly why they did it
try not to be rude when the majority of your oldest readers are going to be affected by the enforcement
give them like a week notice

I agree with this, but based on a few things both here on the forums and on the discord, I get the impression the action had to be taken immediately to avoid imminent legal consequences.

 

[Purple_Soul]

I love how "NoxDragon" still is in "users who are viewing this thread"

 

[yogurtman250]

I agree with this, but based on a few things both here on the forums and on the discord, I get the impression the action had to be taken immediately to avoid imminent legal consequences.

they should've at LEAST did something like this in discord
"Hey we loli is kil we'll explain later"
"loli is kil"
"no "

 

[BestBoy]

LuxDragon

I was looking at NoxTuk earlier. Scratching my goatee with an eye of suspicion.

 

[BestBoy]

avoid imminent legal consequences

After I saw xnot's discord message I saw someone say in the thread "you're acting like you got a gun to your head." Hmm, I wonder why??

 

[DavidianMillerian]

sorries for bad english

where were u when lolisho was kil

I was in mangodex reading loli mangoes when EteralNiko go

"lolisho is kil"
"no"

 

[yogurtman250]

they should've at LEAST did something like this in discord
"Hey we loli is kil we'll explain later"
"loli is kil"
"no "

but nooo they HAD to act like that in one of THE only places and times where that something like that would've caused insane outrage. NamiCo and MangaDex are literally polar opposites. Trying to moderate each other like they're same will cause insane damage to trust and faith of potentially both sides if you play your hands right.

 

[DavidianMillerian]

sorries for bad english

where were u when lolisho was kil

I was in mangodex reading loli mangoes when EteralNiko go

"lolisho is kil"
"no"

why was this my 3333rd message

 

[Angry_Panda]

why was this my 3333rd message

Because 'bad english'. Even though yours isn't.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

What gets me about much of the noise in the thread du jour is the underlying assumption that, somehow, this privately owned and operated site is under any obligation to allow the same level of free speech that I would have if I stepped out my front door here in the USA.

It is not under that obligation. It never has been.

If folks want to get upset there has been a shift in what's considered 'appropriate' material for the site, okay - having been here a while, I don't think that's an entirely unfounded claim. If they want to get upset about the manner in which the affected material was removed, and/or the lack of communication about that, fine - again, not without some merit. If there is concern about what one of the mods said:

...well, I actually entirely agree with this one. Note they're not actually calling anyone a pedophile, just saying that if someone is, that someone should find a new place to get their source material.

However, this site is not answerable to its users with respect to the removal of content in any real legal sense - the users are not shareholders or trustees or anything else. If the actual owners/operators/stakeholders/whatever decide to make changes to the rules or content, they can do so without approval from anyone else, and they are under no requirement to announce those changes in advance.

There are a large number of people who dropped into the other thread today with the mistaken idea that their rights were somehow being violated because some titles were removed, when in reality they never had any such rights to begin with. The rules and terms are pretty clear that the site has the right to remove content it feels is inappropriate, and there are enough broadly worded clauses in those that I believe removal can be done for any subjective reason.

If the idea of being subject to the whims of the site operators concerns you, I would suggest you find some other site to join. I am rather skeptical that at this time there are many left that don't share the same underlying subjectivity to a greater or lesser degree - some simply exercise it less.

i'm on board with them removing content that violates section 3.1.1 of the content policy, and i think the backlash is way overblown. but as yogurtman said they could've eased the concerns of the unwashed masses better.

a brief and unambiguous statement with:
-what content was being removed (even better if they had a list of removed titles, though they're not obligated to provide one ofc)
-why it was now being removed (they received legal complaints)
-their method of discerning which titles to remove (i.e., did the legal complaints list specific titles and they are removing only those, did the legal complaints not list specific titles and they're combing through titles looking for offenders, or did the legal complaints list specific titles and they're removing both those and any other titles that seem to be offenders?)
-why my wife left me

maybe some specific information would be safer to not share, but something along these lines would definitely cover their bases and prevent a lot of the uproar and speculation that did occur (for instance i'm still not clear on whether a mange like Daredemo Dakeru Kimi ga Suki would stay up only if/until a legal complaint is received, or if it's something they'd consider taking down prematurely)

 

[DavidianMillerian]

Because 'bad english'. Even though yours isn't.

thank you 'murican for complimenting my English

 

[DavidianMillerian]

a brief and unambiguous statement with:
-why my wife left me