Casual chatting thread

[princezilla]

margin of error on your hypothesis (that lesbians just report more) is simply too large for such a small proportion of the population for the hypothesis (straight women don't report hurr durr) to be true.

The facts show obvious correlations. Women who, at any point, date other women (so both lesbians and bisexuals) have a higher rate of reporting (which cannot all be explained by "they just le hecking do it more than straight women" because it is more than a few percentage points.

It isn't like there aren't new studies either.

You're 0-2.

.... You seem to have understood almost nothing of what I said and even less of the actual data.

Also you are just completely wrong about the margin of error in principle, measuring small subsets of a population along with the population as a whole tends to create massive margins of error due to differences in sample size and this exacerbated by the fact that many lesbians are closeted. But again, that's not really relevant because you completely misread the data in the first place.

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

Nah ironically I didn't even know this place existed before a day ago when someone posted a link to a hilarious schizo post about how a little sister should "seduce" their older brother via gaslighting. I thought it was funny so I looked around for more wacky shit and instead found the middle school stalker post and his complete inability to recognize the multitude of issues involved while simultaneously complaining that everyone hated him and asking why so I felt morally compelled to give the honest answer no one else would. Then I fucked around a bit more and saw the SA statistics post and because my job actually involves interpretating political statistics I felt like I should say something since I already had made an account. .... I didn't even notice it was the same person until it after I posted.

there's political statistic analystsamong us

 

[BlackGeneral]

Sir, this is a Casual chatting thread

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

.... You seem to have understood almost nothing of what I said and even less of the actual data.

Also you are just completely wrong about the margin of error in principle, measuring small subsets of a population along with the population as a whole tends to create massive margins of error due to differences in sample size and this exacerbated by the fact that many lesbians are closeted. But again, that's not really relevant because you completely misread the data in the first place.

yeah mate so you've moved to "many lesbians are closeted."

This is the classic "reinterpret the data until it fits your narrative", but you know. If I were you, I'd argue "you know that lesbians are TWO women and they could've been abused (because women are more likely to report than men) so it's more likely", but then you mentioned the bisexual statistic which just adds questions... Well. Whatever.

 

[Lowfyie]

Nah ironically I didn't even know this place existed before a day ago when someone posted a link to a hilarious schizo post about how a little sister should "seduce" their older brother via gaslighting. I thought it was funny so I looked around for more wacky shit and instead found the middle school stalker post and his complete inability to recognize the multitude of issues involved while simultaneously complaining that everyone hated him and asking why so I felt morally compelled to give the honest answer no one else would. Then I fucked around a bit more and saw the SA statistics post and because my job actually involves interpretating political statistics I felt like I should say something since I already had made an account. .... I didn't even notice it was the same person until it after I posted.

@Data_Gold 's schizo debut thread was linked around the internet? Wtf? Where?

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

yeah mate so you've moved to "many lesbians are closeted."

This is the classic "reinterpret the data until it fits your narrative", but you know. If I were you, I'd argue "you know that lesbians are TWO women and they could've been abused (because women are more likely to report than men) so it's more likely", but then you mentioned the bisexual statistic which just adds questions... Well. Whatever.

And even then... You have misunderstood still.

.... You seem to have understood almost nothing of what I said and even less of the actual data.

Also you are just completely wrong about the margin of error in principle, measuring small subsets of a population along with the population as a whole tends to create massive margins of error due to differences in sample size and this exacerbated by the fact that many lesbians are closeted. But again, that's not really relevant because you completely misread the data in the first place.

Would you not also be able to argue, perhaps, that men report these things less? Or that... Literally anything?

Do you discount the use of averages in math as a whole?

You can acknowledge a margin of error, sure, but in the data the disparity between straights, lesbians, and ESPECIALLY gay men is simply too large to be explained entirely as margin of error.

There's no "misreading the data", we just have very different interpretations. Your views are that the data is either inaccurate (weird position) or that it doesn't say that Lesbians are more likely to be abused (...which is pretty much exactly what it says.)

If the argument is that "lesbians are being abused by men in the past!!", then wouldn't gay men have the highest rate of domestic violence??? Afterall, that's TWO abusive guys isn't it?

 

[BlackGeneral]

Normies sending our threads to their normies friends to make fun of us

When I said to guests to make an account I was hoping for better than that

 

[princezilla]

@Data_Gold 's schizo debut thread was linked around the internet? Wtf? Where?

It was shared in a NSFW meme thread on a discord I'm in lol

 

[TheSeer]

@Data_Gold 's schizo debut thread was linked around the internet? Wtf? Where?

W h a t

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

And even then... You have misunderstood still.


Would you not also be able to argue, perhaps, that men report these things less? Or that... Literally anything?

Do you discount the use of averages in math as a whole?

You can acknowledge a margin of error, sure, but in the data the disparity between straights, lesbians, and ESPECIALLY gay men is simply too large to be explained entirely as margin of error.

There's no "misreading the data", we just have very different interpretations. Your views are that the data is either inaccurate (weird position) or that it doesn't say that Lesbians are more likely to be abused (...which is pretty much exactly what it says.)

If the argument is that "lesbians are being abused by men in the past!!", then wouldn't gay men have the highest rate of domestic violence??? Afterall, that's TWO abusive guys isn't it?

Breiding, Matthew Joseph and Chen, Jieru and Walters, Mikel L. "The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS); 2010 findings on victimization by sexual orientation" (2013)

Messinger, A. M. (2010). Invisible Victims: Same-Sex IPV in the National Violence Against Women Survey. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 26(11), 2228-2243. https://doi.org/10.1177/0886260510383023 (Original work published 2011)


McLaughlin, E. M., & Rozee, P. D. (2001). Knowledge About Heterosexual versus Lesbian Battering Among Lesbians. Women & Therapy, 23(3), 39–58. https://doi.org/10.1300/J015v23n03_04


Little, B., & Terrance, C. (2010). Perceptions of Domestic Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Stereotypes and Gender Role Expectations. Journal of Homosexuality, 57(3), 429–440. https://doi.org/10.1080/00918360903543170

Arcilesbica. "Eva contro Eva: I convegno sulla violenza di genere [Eva against Eva: The first congress on the gender violence]." (2011): 3-17.

Cited in
Rollè Luca , Giardina Giulia , Caldarera Angela M. , Gerino Eva , Brustia Piera

When Intimate Partner Violence Meets Same Sex Couples: A Review of Same Sex Intimate Partner ViolenceFrontiers in Psychology Volume 9 - 2018. 2018. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506
DOI=10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506
ISSN=1664-1078

 

[princezilla]

Normies sending our threads to their normies friends to make fun of us

When I said to guests to make an account I was hoping for better than that

I mean it was shared because people loved it also it was relevant because a lot of people in the server have an incest kink so like... Normies isn't accurate

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

Breiding, Matthew Joseph and Chen, Jieru and Walters, Mikel L. "The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS); 2010 findings on victimization by sexual orientation" (2013)

Messinger, A. M. (2010). Invisible Victims: Same-Sex IPV in the National Violence Against Women Survey. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 26(11), 2228-2243. https://doi.org/10.1177/0886260510383023 (Original work published 2011)


McLaughlin, E. M., & Rozee, P. D. (2001). Knowledge About Heterosexual versus Lesbian Battering Among Lesbians. Women & Therapy, 23(3), 39–58. https://doi.org/10.1300/J015v23n03_04


Little, B., & Terrance, C. (2010). Perceptions of Domestic Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Stereotypes and Gender Role Expectations. Journal of Homosexuality, 57(3), 429–440. https://doi.org/10.1080/00918360903543170

Arcilesbica. "Eva contro Eva: I convegno sulla violenza di genere [Eva against Eva: The first congress on the gender violence]." (2011): 3-17.

Cited in
Rollè Luca , Giardina Giulia , Caldarera Angela M. , Gerino Eva , Brustia Piera

When Intimate Partner Violence Meets Same Sex Couples: A Review of Same Sex Intimate Partner ViolenceFrontiers in Psychology Volume 9 - 2018. 2018. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506
DOI=10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506
ISSN=1664-1078

All of these were victimblaming and totally men's fault, though. Even though these studies were on WLW couples? and exclusively focused on WLW relationships?
and it was stated as a matter of fact that the rate of domestic abuse is flat out just higher, literally within just the Abstract of this 2018 Article.... Yeah, no guys. It's clearly NOT true and you're a BIGOT for disagreeing!

Jokes aside.

In the resources given you can see the prevalence of domestic abuse among lesbians in lesbian relationships.

 

[princezilla]

Breiding, Matthew Joseph and Chen, Jieru and Walters, Mikel L. "The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS); 2010 findings on victimization by sexual orientation" (2013)

Messinger, A. M. (2010). Invisible Victims: Same-Sex IPV in the National Violence Against Women Survey. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 26(11), 2228-2243. https://doi.org/10.1177/0886260510383023 (Original work published 2011)


McLaughlin, E. M., & Rozee, P. D. (2001). Knowledge About Heterosexual versus Lesbian Battering Among Lesbians. Women & Therapy, 23(3), 39–58. https://doi.org/10.1300/J015v23n03_04


Little, B., & Terrance, C. (2010). Perceptions of Domestic Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Stereotypes and Gender Role Expectations. Journal of Homosexuality, 57(3), 429–440. https://doi.org/10.1080/00918360903543170

Arcilesbica. "Eva contro Eva: I convegno sulla violenza di genere [Eva against Eva: The first congress on the gender violence]." (2011): 3-17.

Cited in
Rollè Luca , Giardina Giulia , Caldarera Angela M. , Gerino Eva , Brustia Piera

When Intimate Partner Violence Meets Same Sex Couples: A Review of Same Sex Intimate Partner ViolenceFrontiers in Psychology Volume 9 - 2018. 2018. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506
DOI=10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506
ISSN=1664-1078

Yes as we have established, you do not understand what you are talking about and the studies you are citing do not say what you are claiming they do.

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

Yes as we have established, you do not understand what you are talking about and the studies you are citing do not say what you are claiming they do.

You've read these or you're just stating this in an effort to diminish their findings? Doesn't change their findings anyways, so knock yourself out.

I do like how you've changed it up. Now it isn't complaining about the efficacy of the data, but the credibility of the speaker.... Not exactly a riveting analysis. You can read the first few paragraphs of that cited article from 2018 and see the same statistics cited.
But you know, it's not like you've read them.

In the Italian study, it is strictly speaking about WLW relationships and their abuse rate, which is actually higher than the statistic cited in the paper... Maybe the lesbians are more closeted, or something? Even though they're in relationships with women?

How about in that "Same Sex IPV against women" study? Which flatly states that it is purely analyzing the abuse of women by women? And still finds results that women abuse other women more than any other two partner pairing.

 

[princezilla]

You've read these or you're just stating this in an effort to diminish their findings? Doesn't change their findings anyways, so knock yourself out.

I literally work with this kind of stuff as my job and have analyzed this study and others of this nature extensively.


Also like.... You can't grasp why stalking a girl who gave you the wrong cookies in middle school is a disturbing thing for an adult to do, no one should trust your ability to interpret relationships or the data associated with them at all.

 

[BlackGeneral]

I mean it was shared because people loved it also it was relevant because a lot of people in the server have an incest kink so like... Normies isn't accurate

Sexual deviant normies are jerking off to us and you think it's better?

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

I literally work with this kind of stuff as my job and have analyzed this study and others of this nature extensively.


Also like.... You can't grasp why stalking a girl who gave you the wrong cookies in middle school is a disturbing thing for an adult to do, no one should trust your ability to interpret relationships or the data associated with them at all.

"This" study. Which? The ones I just gave you? You've sincerely read ALL of them? And you've disagreed on the efficacy of all of the studies?

Also like... Nice try at a character attack, but my credibility is not in question. These sources are the ones you must debunk, which you can only seem to do through extensive what-about-ism.

What firm do you work at? Who pays for you to misinterpret studies all day? I'd like a cozy job like that.

 

[TheSeer]

That "show ignored content" button sure is alluring, but I don't think I'm gonna press it ever again.

 

[MinecraftStoryModeLover]

That "show ignored content" button sure is alluring, but I don't think I'm gonna press it ever again.

How does it feel to be high on 15 Xanax and jerk off to horse porn? We're talking about primary sources and I figured I'd ask about your experiences.

 

[Basic_human]

People back on the gear

6 pages is insane work