Concerning the US Protests and Our Rules

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Don't like it, TheMangaExpress? Then make your own country.

Kneeling was originally a protest against racism and police brutality, but it has become a symbol of white supremacy. That is why cops and whites are kneeling at protests now. It represents kneeling on a black person's neck. Whites try to ban guns and tell blacks it's so the evil white nazis don't hurt them, when it's really so blacks can't defend themselves when slavery is brought back. 😭
 
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@firelight
What the hell is wrong with you?

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Black lives matter is antithetical to to a terrorist group.

Black lives matter literal campaigns against violence through their demonstrations.

If they were terrorist, you would not be seeing them do mostly peaceful mass protests. There would be bombings, There would be murders of politicians.

Like have you have heard of actually terrorist? Like Timothy McVeigh, the KKK, literally of all Al-Qaeda?

Now as for your statement, I don't understand why people still support domestic terrorists like the old Confederate leaders.
 
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It should be noted that in the chapter in question, his explanation of Human Capital is not why he believes poverty exists, as he does reference how the economy is involved and other external factors throughout the book. Rather, he is explaining the principle that people have marketable aspects to themselves that will lead to inequality and how inequality itself is not the problem so long as everyone is progressively getting more and more well off. He is not solely saying that all inequality comes from a difference in ability or skills, but that so long as there is a difference in human capital, there will always be inequality and that that's not necessarily a bad thing because economics isn't a zero-sum game, and one person having more won't automatically lead to someone else having less because they're not finite.

The issue you mentioned is related specifically to the fact a higher quality of skill is being demanded in the labor market as progressively advancements in technology and automation eliminate the need for certain jobs, which is called structural unemployment. If more people are incentivized to get college educations, but they get skills that aren't needed in the labor market, they'll have to accept lower wages as a fact of nature. Additionally, the labor market follows the process of supply and demand, meaning if everyone became doctors, the demand for doctors would go down and they would be poorly paid because they could be easily replaced. The reason why young people are having such an issue now is due to their size being larger and them having to compete with the previous generations as well, meaning there's a smaller supply of jobs. Additionally, someone fresh out of college is still lacking job experience and so someone who just got a doctorate is not going to be a promising as a life-long surgeon because of it.

What's the way to fix it? Entrepreneurship. It's one of the five factors of production, (The others being resources, land, labor, and capital (both human and economic)) and it will be reliably able to make new jobs if businesses are able to open and compete. My grip would therefore fall under large corporations who intentionally do shady business practices that seek to limit the abilities of new up-starts and firms that lead to them not being able to create more jobs. Remember, the amount of jobs an economy can have is never finite, and if they have the ability to produce goods or services, they will be able to create new jobs for their businesses. It's a question of letting new businesses open up to increase the demand for labor. The current youth is facing a period of more competition for their labor, which is a natural part of the economy and is hard to solve as it's pretty natural. Though keep in mind that the demand for labor tends to flux, too, just as the economy does as businesses open and close through time and go through periods of high investment and bursts in the economy and periods of low investment and spending.

I should also mention that the author's reference to Bill Gates was because he was the richest man alive when the book was published, and his argument was that even if his entire wealth disappeared in a single afternoon, he would have enough skills to bounce back. Hell, even the skills involved in "being a shark" are marketable and could be used to get yourself high-offices as positions. And whilst I agree that modern intellectual property law is fucked (thanks, Disney), I don't think that getting rid of those laws is a good idea as it creates disincentives for artistic fields due to the decreased ability to earn profit which would ruin the economy over time.

There's no solutions, only trade-offs. Trying to completely re-hull a functioning system with some problems instead of tweaking it slightly here and there would only create unbalance and wouldn't likely work or create a good economy.

Finally, I want to explain how labor works.

The NAIRU is used in relation to predict how the economy will tend to go. The natural rate of unemployment includes structural unemployment (Or unemployment due to a lack of demand for a specific resource or talent) and frictional unemployment, (or unemployment going from one job to another) and is typically 4-6%. If unemployment goes less than 4%, then it is unsustainable and the economy will eventually be forced to bounce back due to an inflationary gap, and if unemployment goes more than 6%, it is due to a recessionary gap and is typically tied to cyclical unemployment, or unemployment tied to the fluctuation in the economy. Economists calculate this using the Phillip's Curve, which demonstrates the correlation between unemployment and the inflation rate which has been demonstrated to exist mathematically.
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This relates to the Aggregate Demand/Supply model which can also be used to demonstrate the labor market as of the relationship between people selling their labor and those who seek to buy their labor, as well as the relationship between most goods and services in general to the amount of people who demand them.
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If price levels increase while demand same or lowers, it leads to stagflation-or what the US was going through during the 1970s and is the worst gap to be in as a recessionary gap due to the increase in price levels and decrease in growth.

It leads to a lower amount of consumption which leads to a lack of economic growth whilst prices still increase. However, what causes rises is inelastic and essential goods like Oil increasing in cost due to external factors, which force businesses to bite the bullet and pay which leads to increased costs for the same goods, and so GDP decreases.
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There are two ways that the process ends up being resolved to be at equilibrium with full possible production in the long run-either employees will accept lower wages or the Keynesian approach-in which Government intervention to increase demand of goods leads to a higher price level but a functional economy.

Similarly, inflationary gaps cause the amount of supply to increase and the price to do so as well due to overproduction, and so the solution is either employees demanding higher wages which will bring the economy back to equilibrium or the Keynesian approach where governments demand less goods or remove funding which leads to the supply decreasing and the model returning to equilibrium.


How does this relate to the Phillip's Curve? Well, as more people are employed, the more money people have and the more inflation increases, and so the gap becomes inflationary. The solution is either for the government to do nothing and price levels to increase as the employees ask for higher wages or for the government to decrease demand and let the economy return to equilibrium. The reason government tends to take this approach is because voters tend not to like to have to pay more for the same good and because it lowers the likelihood of hyperinflation, which is a good thing. However, it's usually better if the entire process can be avoided all together as rising prices hurt everyone, not just businesses.

You seem to characterize the process as one that's intentionally designed to suppress workers and keep rich people at the time which isn't the intention and isn't really even the effect of what's going on. Instead, the issue lays in trying to keep everything in a sustainable rate of equilibrium and lower the fluctuations in the economy to make it overall healthier and more productive than it otherwise would have been. It's better for people to go through frictional unemployment where they're more likely to find new jobs than cyclical where more people are less likely to find one and the entire economy suffers because of it. Remember, because of how economics works, it's all about maintaining balance at a sustainable rate and when one part of the economy does well, the entirety of the economy tends to do well because of it due to the flow of money.

Radical shifts in the economy is bad and lower production times like a 20 hour work week would be a big shift and would lead to a lower supply of goods and services for everyone, which not only harm firms but also the people who work in them as prices increase due to a lack of goods to met the same supply while wages do not rise. It's not some grandiose plan by the elites of society to keep everyone else suppressed but merely a pragmatic case of necessity and demands for goods.

It's really a matter of macroeconomics more than anything.
 
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@TheMangaExpress sure sure, if ppl suddenly come in and spam the comments on your site with things that have nothing to do with everything the website stands for and expect everyone to change the website to blacklivesmatterdex.com they need to be stopped, there is a billion websites out there you can use for this. Even if some butthurt simp mob characters like you comes in and uses the racist card to try to bully the pacifist people just chilling on their web page into a conflict that has nothing to do with them. You are like the people currently robbing and destroying stores of people that have nothing to do with racism. It is important to protest against racism and police violence but stop trying to flame people on the other side of the planet because YOUR system is shit and racist. Go against the people that are actually racist instead of trying to guilt-trip people into a conflict that has nothing to do with them.
 
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I think @firelight 's point is satire of how mundane things like the okay-symbol are called white supremacist gestures when they tend to be pranks that are meant to demonstrate how ridiculous people who are always looking for dogwhistles. If you go looking for witches, you're gonna find witches, whether they're there or not.

But more to your point, I don't think that's an accurate painting of the group as a whole, because there are definitely elements that overlap with groups like Antifa which could be accurately described as to be endorsing violence, hence why you see things spray-painted at rallies like "death to all pigs/cops" or "liberals get the bullet too."

A terrorist group only needs to be trying to get their message across by trying to promote terror or damage, and there are definitely elements in both Antifa and BLM that are not only violent (see looting/rioting) but that promote violence, or endorse it's use. It's not to say everyone buys into it, and many probably just say they support it because of the name without looking into the things the group has done or endorsed, but there's definitely a large amount of people that are deep within the group that have these leanings and that their endorsement of violence is an issue.

The last point about confederates is just a red herring as well as at best it's trying to appeal to hypocrisy about statues being up (which is not the same as condoning violence) and at worst it's completely irrelevant to the criticisms of the group by trying to reach for the most emotionally charged topic possible. It's a bit disingenuous in my opinion to equate them, even if I'm a dye-in-the-wool Yankee who loves Lincoln and the Union to death.
 
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I'm not sure what else you can call burning half of cities to the ground but terrorism. There is nothing peaceful about it. Those that aren't should probably splinter off into their own organization because being associated with them is doing their cause no favors.
 
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It's fine to keep the discussions away from manga related stuff, but not taking a political stance? When will we learn that fighting for basic human rights has nothing political to it?
 
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All rights are political @lumpur

Politics has to do with enacting policies and governing, therefore anything that has to do with rights or protecting rights is a policy of the state and is therefore political.
 
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It's pretty hilarious you mention McVeigh, given that he was also protesting police brutality (the massacres at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Nothing says "justice" like shooting an unarmed pregnant woman while she stands at the grave of her teenage son you just also shot, during a raid based entirely on a man "skipping" a court appearance because the judge literally lied to him about the date, or like firing incendiary weapons into a room full of children). He even targetted a federal building, instead of whatever stores the mob wanted to loot the way BLM does it.

But then, McVeigh and the people whose murders he was outraged by were all white, and it's black lives that matter.
 
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Anyone notice how companies only speak out when it can get them attention? Even baby name sites are cashing in on the good PR for supporting BLM. Back during SOPA and net neutrality, every company wanted you to know that they supported the people (even though they don't). You don't hear a peep from them any other time.

Then: Occupy Wall Street
Now: https://twitter.com/jpmorgan/status/879142533091270656
Tweet says: Hundreds of our employees marched with #PRIDE alongside the $JPM float at the #NYCPride parade today. #JustBeYou
So funny... You Support PRIDE, but not Black Lives Matter..... but okay.

Seems like the companies learned their lesson. Pretend to care about the poor and they will worship you.
 
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You actually seem pretty reasonable.

No one is say that there is no violence that is happening, at least that is that what I intended to say. However, some violent elements of a movement does not make a violent movement. In even the most nonviolence movements, there are still actions of violence that occurs. Like with the original civil right movement, there was the watts riots, or the the large amount of race riots that occurred in 1967. However, the original civil right movement is still known as a "peaceful" movement. The same could be said of the Indian independence movement. This is even more complicated due to the groups involved. After all, both Antifa and BLM are movements that are defined by that lack of central leadership whose memberships qualifications are none. If you say you are BLM or Antifa, you are a member. With this in mind, to discredit the whole movement seems disingenuous.

As for the ok sign, I think that ADL put it the best, "Ironically, some white supremacists themselves soon also participated in such trolling tactics, lending an actual credence to those who labeled the trolling gesture as racist in nature." While it did started as a 4chan joke, white supremacist have adopted it. Even Brenton Tarrant, the white supremacist behind the Christchurch mosque shooting, flashed it. So while it is mostly innocent, that does not mean that all use of it is innocent.

The Confederate part was mostly a shitpost because, well, after my experiences in the South, there are a lot of people who really wished the south had won and those are normally the most vocal about complaining black lives matter.
 
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There's a few other contextual things around it, though. Keep in mind that BLM is an organization, even if Antifa isn't one, though not everyone that is involved would be a member. (Also note that it's rate as well and that it's pretty much undeniable that there happens to be a lot of people who identify with these movements that either passively endorse or are directly involved in violence, with prominent figures like Shaun King having supported Antifa and violence in the past.)

The larger issue is both sentiment and condoning of violence. While there were violent Civil Rights Activists like Malcholm X, they were larger condemned by the others involved. However, even if most people in Antifa don't commit the violence themselves, they still justify punching people they view as "fascist" regardless of if they are or aren't, and have been known to target individuals, actively seek out and cause destruction, or advocating things like the violent overthrow of the state or government.

I should also note that centralization isn't a requirement for something to be a terrorist group, with anarchists by definition lacking organization usually and Afghanistan is known for lacking organization of any kind usually harboring lots of terrorist groups who all want the place for themselves.

I have my own criticisms of the ADL, and while I didn't mean to turn this into a focal point, all I'll say is that Brenton Tarrant very clearly was trying to create a media shitstorm, and his manifesto pretty much makes him out to be less of a White Supremacist and more of an accelerationist who wanted to fracture society even more. Additionally, it's probably better not to burn everything that someone who is seen as morally disgusting like a white supremacist has touched because it's just an extension of guilt by association, and can be no more used to indite someone of white supremacy then the fact Hitler drank water. (It mostly is meant as confirmation bias in that people looking to paint someone as a white supremacist. It's the issue that people see what they want to look for, which is why I don't believe in dog whistles as valid evidence.)

Fair enough on the confederate thing, though. I thought it was a bit odd to include, but I'm the type who firmly loves the union because they're the most meme worthy of the two.
 
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BLM should at least distance itself from the Marxists filling it. Karl Marx did not like black people on top of also being anti-semetic. Oh, that and the ideology invariably leading to starvation and genocide. Communism cannot work.

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Have you actually read about a couple of them? Robert E. Lee actually convinced the surrendering troops NOT to go guerilla as he felt the country had seen enough bloodshed. But yeah, just call him a terrorist and ignore why he had a statue in the first place, in fact protestors are just spraypainting all the statues regardless of what they were for. There was fucking vandalism done to an Armenian genocide memorial!
 
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Oh geez, some apparent Seattle antifa leader (inb4 the usual retort) admitted to being a "serial abuser" and to sexually assaulting multiple people. Also the homeless people stole all the food from their "autonomous zone". Not even one day and it's falling apart.
 
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@Halo These poor officers were obviously victims of a prankster switching out their bullets. Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense at all to use lethal methods before non-lethal! You even hear an officer cheering "booyah!" when the man falls. Surely he would not do that if he knew he just killed a non-threatening old man about to comply with an arrest.

Truly a tragedy. I hope the prankster was caught.
 
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