Daredemo Dakeru Kimi ga Suki - Ch. 33 - (New) There Are Rules, You Know

[Peterociclos]

Hell yeah my garbage is on

 

[Lame_Security]

More the redrawing advances more i'm disgusted that the story has just became another ramdom erotic manga

Literally just porno without the (shown) sex.

 

[Kushikime]

I figured he was going to ruin the series and he did. All because he wanted to draw a threesome. Fuck.

 

[swimminginsand]

Wait am I suppose believe she wasn't being called a slut before or that it only now started bothering her?

 

[Jebsu]

Why didn't he just draw draw the threesome in an extra chapter...

 

[nodamnbrakes]

Shit, picked the wrong time to get caught up; should have waited til the chapters redone. Also, I wonder how often authors wish they could go back and redo a whole sequence of events… bet it happens pretty often.

 

[Nosebleed]

Wait am I suppose believe she wasn't being called a slut before or that it only now started bothering her?

What was bothering her were people saying she had a threesome with her sister. That's what she wanted to deny.

 

[burningknuckle]

Guess the editor was correct here huh
The concept was flawed from the get go, something only shown in ero manga. But it was building to be much more. Now it's back to that ero manga storyline.

 

[danbellucci]

this guy passed on the opportunity to fuck agawa and her sister at the same time just to get cucked!!!

lessons in this

 

[mikeog]

More the redrawing advances more i'm disgusted that the story has just became another ramdom erotic manga

Always has been

 

[T-sama]

I find hilarious the people complaining about the change, is this  really a retcon or a rewrite? This is what the mangaka  really wanted all along but was forced to change by the editor, so if anything the other version is the rewrite.

I also find funny the hypocrisy, people love to say mangakas should be free to write the story they  really want, but as soon as it's not what you guys expected you all complain, so much for defending the mangaka freedom.

This is the true canon all along, what we got before wasn't the true story the mangaka wanted to tell, you guys better accept it or leave.

 

[Nosebleed]

I find hilarious the people complaining about the change, is this  really a retcon or a rewrite? This is what the mangaka  really wanted all along but was forced to change by the editor, so if anything the other version is the rewrite.

I also find funny the hypocrisy, people love to say mangakas should be free to write the story they  really want, but as soon as it's not what you guys expected you all complain, so much for defending the mangaka freedom.

This is the true canon all along, what we got before wasn't the true story the mangaka wanted to tell, you guys better accept it or leave.

Implying authors can't be criticized for writing garbage.
In the year of our lord 2024 we're still putting authors on a pedestal instead of treating them like human beings capable of failure.

Sure, this is what the author originally wanted, doesn't mean it's good and that we should "accept it or leave" though.
We had something before that by most metrics was better. People are rightfully upset when something good is taken from them and replaced with something worse.
I mean, sure, we can't physically change what's on the paper no matter how loud we yell, so in that sense we have to "accept it", but we have every right to voice our displeasure.

Criticizing stuff like this also doesn't mean people support authors not having any freedom. It's just that in this case it's so very obvious that the editor was steering the author towards writing a much better story, and that's always a good thing. Editors exist to cooperate with authors, not fight them.
It's an absolute shame that we were shown a product of cooperation that was much better and now it was taken from us.

This rewrite is just proving the author is incapable of writing a cohesive story because all his horny brain wants is to draw sex.

Also an editor is still involved in the process, they just let the author draw his threesome which is all he wanted, but even in the threesome the editor had to have been involved. A manga published in a magazine is never immune from editor scrutiny, what varies is the degree to which it's scrutinized.

 

[T-sama]

Implying authors can't be criticized for writing garbage.
In the year of our lord 2024 we're still putting authors on a pedestal instead of treating them like human beings capable of failure.

Good job pulling that out of your ass, nobody said that.

Sure, this is what the author originally wanted, doesn't mean it's good and that we should "accept it or leave" though.
We had something before that by most metrics was better. People are rightfully upset when something good is taken from them and replaced with something worse.
I mean, sure, we can't physically change what's on the paper no matter how loud we yell, so in that sense we have to "accept it", but we have every right to voice our displeasure.

Criticizing stuff like this also doesn't mean people support authors not having any freedom. It's just that in this case it's so very obvious that the editor was steering the author towards writing a much better story, and that's always a good thing. Editors exist to cooperate with authors, not fight them.
It's an absolute shame that we were shown a product of cooperation that was much better and now it was taken from us.

This rewrite is just proving the author is incapable of writing a cohesive story because all his horny brain wants is to draw sex.

Also an editor is still involved in the process, they just let the author draw his threesome which is all he wanted, but even in the threesome the editor had to have been involved. A manga published in a magazine is never immune from editor scrutiny, what varies is the degree to which it's scrutinized.

As for all the rest, it's your  opinion that the other version is better, as we can see by comments in here not everyone agrees with that.

Of course, it's easy to disregard any other opinion or the author choice as "they're just horny" and pat yourself in the back, because of course that's the only possible justification for the change right?

You're also ignoring one big problem, it doesn't matter if the other version is supposed "better", fact is it's not the story mangaka wanted to tell, fact that the mangaka was so unhappy that they decided to retcon it shows that there was no cooperation, they were convinced to completely change the story by the editor when they didn't want to change it.

As for if the mangaka is just horny and want to draw sex, and? If that's what they actually want to draw let them do it, don't be a puritan and judgmental asshole, the mangaka is here to tell the story  they want, not what any of you wants, nothing was taken from "us" because it was never ours.

Also, for all the people whining and saying the other version is better, you guys are not even giving it a  chance to begin with, to see where exactly it will go, you all automatically decided that anything that comes after the threesome is inherently worse than the previous version.

You're all free to criticize, but nobody can truly say this is worse without seeing how it's going to play out in the long run.

 

[HawkGoggles]

Good job pulling that out of your ass, nobody said that.

As for all the rest, it's your  opinion that the other version is better, as we can see by comments in here not everyone agrees with that.

Of course, it's easy to disregard any other opinion or the author choice as "they're just horny" and pat yourself in the back, because of course that's the only possible justification for the change right?

You're also ignoring one big problem, it doesn't matter if the other version is supposed "better", fact is it's not the story mangaka wanted to tell, fact that the mangaka was so unhappy that they decided to retcon it shows that there was no cooperation, they were convinced to completely change the story by the editor when they didn't want to change it.

As for if the mangaka is just horny and want to draw sex, and? If that's what they actually want to draw let them do it, don't be a puritan and judgmental asshole, the mangaka is here to tell the story  they want, not what any of you wants, nothing was taken from "us" because it was never ours.

Also, for all the people whining and saying the other version is better, you guys are not even giving it a  chance to begin with, to see where exactly it will go, you all automatically decided that anything that comes after the threesome is inherently worse than the previous version.

You're all free to criticize, but nobody can truly say this is worse without seeing how it's going to play out in the long run.

of course we can say its worse while its happening. Its almost as if stories are built up by the things that come BEFORE and AFTER. The reason that everyone thinks he's just horny is because he threw away charter motivations, progression and conflict all for a threesome and nothing else. I guess you could say we might be a few steps back from where we were before the threesome but this chapter isn't written like that. its as if we returned to the status quo and all we got was a bad threesome sex scene. No one is mad about the sex, it was already there, they're mad about the story being worse.

Why do I have to wait and see if something I think is dog shit gets better. That's dumb. Contextualize the things that already happened to give yourself better appreciation for the things that are currently happening in the story. And that appreciation I had was thrown away for nothing. Fuck the authors vision if he can't see past the cum in his eyes.

 

[Arlcas]

the author's autism can't be contained

 

[T-sama]

of course we can say its worse while its happening. Its almost as if stories are built up by the things that come BEFORE and AFTER. The reason that everyone thinks he's just horny is because he threw away charter motivations, progression and conflict all for a threesome and nothing else. I guess you could say we might be a few steps back from where we were before the threesome but this chapter isn't written like that. its as if we returned to the status quo and all we got was a bad threesome sex scene. No one is mad about the sex, it was already there, they're mad about the story being worse.

Why do I have to wait and see if something I think is dog shit gets better. That's dumb. Contextualize the things that already happened to give yourself better appreciation for the things that are currently happening in the story. And that appreciation I had was thrown away for nothing. Fuck the authors vision if he can't see past the cum in his eyes.

Character motivations didn't necessarily change, since dude accepting the threesome isn't really out of character, as for progression and drama, was it the ones the mangaka really wanted? Or what the editor convinced him to do?

Seriously, how many times we hear of a mangaka being so unhappy with what they did that they outright retcon it?
You guys are angry at it since it was changed for a threesome, I get it, it's understandable, but we don't know yet what character progression and drama we'll get now, maybe it'll be worse? Absolutely, but we can only wait and see.

You guys act as if the threesome is something so absurd when it fits the story perfectly fine, so much that it was the actual idea all along, it was always the plan.

It's kinda funny seeing you guys so angry at the theesome when the alternative was she having sex with the ugly teacher, which probably would have happened instead of just being interrupted.

 

[T-sama]

Can't help but feel part of the anger is due to some people feeling this was some kind of anti-NTR story, with the good guy mc "saving" the poor broken slut heroine and teaching her true love, when the dude fucking around and being as much of a slut was always more likely to happen.

Really, I won't be surprised if he fucks more girls before he realizes what he really wants and convince her to be his girlfriend, makes more sense than him enduring all the girls throwing themselves at him, especially since after refusing the pres she was gonna send the 4 great sluts after him as if this was some kinda of shounen manga, but I guess everyone conveniently ignores how silly the story was going to get.

What, did you guys expect he was gonna stay "pure" forever and would defeat all evil sluts then save the girl at the end?

 

[fateandbleach900]

As someone who reads a bunch of adult manhwas betting that the author is gonna do some writing finesse out of a dumb plot jam they caused is a losing bet like every time lol. Its more likely they make things worse or nonsensical than recover.

 

[HawkGoggles]

Can't help but feel part of the anger is due to some people feeling this was some kind of anti-NTR story, with the good guy mc "saving" the poor broken slut heroine and teaching her true love, when the dude fucking around and being as much of a slut was always more likely to happen.

Really, I won't be surprised if he fucks more girls before he realizes what he really wants and convince her to be his girlfriend, makes more sense than him enduring all the girls throwing themselves at him, especially since after refusing the pres she was gonna send the 4 great sluts after him as if this was some kinda of shounen manga, but I guess everyone conveniently ignores how silly the story was going to get.

What, did you guys expect he was gonna stay "pure" forever and would defeat all evil sluts then save the girl at the end?

No, I expected him to stay a cuck up until the end. I get it, its just some "silly porno" to some people but if I wanted just porn I wouldn't be here. I'm sure most people stayed because for as silly as this story is, the characters were compelling enough to stay.

You say you expect him to fuck more girls but you forgot that we got to this point after a couple of chapters of Agawa trying to get the rest of the school sluts to try and fuck him and all of them said no. Then the president stepped in only because she has ulterior motives. Motives that haven't been changed so they recontextualizes the entire scene. I guess her sister got what she wanted, to ruin her little sister's relationships. I'm not saying this story shouldn't have conflict but this threesome could have just been a what if for the volume extras.

I expected Agawa to slip back into her old ways before the end, I expected Gotou to give up or something similar before decided to be with her anyway. But even if we take everything at face value. The author knew exactly what he was throwing away when he drew that threesome because he lampshades how out of place and weird it is before it even happens. That girl at the end of this chapter is still most likely someone sent by the president because as stated, no girl wanted to fuck him beforehand. And as stated on the last page, the author still wants to draw the teacher so.... what's the point other than "wah wah wah, I wanna draw a threesome"

 

[guyjean]

Can't help but feel part of the anger is due to some people feeling this was some kind of anti-NTR story, with the good guy mc "saving" the poor broken slut heroine and teaching her true love, when the dude fucking around and being as much of a slut was always more likely to happen.

Really, I won't be surprised if he fucks more girls before he realizes what he really wants and convince her to be his girlfriend, makes more sense than him enduring all the girls throwing themselves at him, especially since after refusing the pres she was gonna send the 4 great sluts after him as if this was some kinda of shounen manga, but I guess everyone conveniently ignores how silly the story was going to get.

What, did you guys expect he was gonna stay "pure" forever and would defeat all evil sluts then save the girl at the end?

Yeah, this is basically why I like this development over the original as well, so far at least. Gotou is a lot more interesting as someone who is actually flawed and gave into the temptation than being the morally upright and pure chaste, staunchly monogamous anti-slut protagonist we usually see and that he was in the old version. It also allows him to relate more with her and her with him. There's a big gulf between them when Agawa had had sex with multiple people and he's only had sex with her. As it was before, him and his mindset is practically an incomprehensible alien to her. That's why she claimed earlier that he was only going after her because he's never had the experience of having sex with anyone else. This basically puts that fear to rest, how could he have ever convince her to be monogamous if he doesn't have the opportunity to display that it's possible to choose monogamous despite liking sex with others himself?

Aside from that it also it puts him on more equal ground with Agawa as well. He's no longer a holy temptation resisting savior who purifies the dirty slut, they're both flawed in some way now, and it changes their dynamic to two humans interacting than a good guy and bad guy. I mean it made Agawa look really bad previously when he was rejecting threesomes and confessing to Agawa, while she's just like "that's nice, sorry however I don't really care, I'm off to fuck more random guys". Really just downright unfair. Now the story can continue with her being a slut instead of it looking like she is just a callous bitch that completley ignored his herculean efforts in willpower.

It also made Gotou look extra pathetic holy shit thank God that line about him wanting only Agawa even if she fucks other guys is gone from this version. That's the kind of thing that's kinda romantic if it never actually comes to pass but Agawa isn't anywhere near that stage of her development yet and she pretty much ignored it. Basically the pacing of the story was moving too fast and in a mismatched way.
At least even if he says it again now, he actually fucked someone else before. He's deemed he's not missing out but this time he actually knows what he's missing out on if he decides to be monogamous to a slut who isn't. He isn't speaking from ignorance anymore.


Anyway huh I ended up writing a lot... yeah it makes sense that most people don't like this development otherwise we'd see more characters like this in these kinds of stories, the market has already spoken and decided that in virgnxgyaru stories the virgin must keep his virgin mentality and never evolve sexually, only the slut must go through development. Also I don't think that the author is a genius or anything, he might fuck this up, this is a bit harder to write and develop than the previous scenario he had going. But i think it's more interesting thus far. At the same time it's also not so different, it's not like confessing or rejecting president worked last time in conquering Agawa so whatever he's going to have to do now to prove himself is something he was going to have to do in the previous continuity anyway, maybe. Interested in how he might win the brown girl over this time too. Or who this new emo girl is.