Dark Summoner to Dekiteiru - Vol. 1 Ch. 12

[Shnebs]

Of course i deny this since you provide no data or informations, just fabrications based on lies and speculations.

Then you're just objectively wrong, if you consume any media at all i shouldnt have to explain how much impact something like yu yu hakusho had on the manga that came after it. in fact you're just being intentionaly obtuse because there is no argument against it.

deflection: 1

I do not care what laws have Japan, real life issues are regulated by LAW and have nothing to do with fictions or drawings, drawing can be morally wrong too since nobody is harmed in real life. Real life LAW protect people not their own moral, this is why we have freedom of speech.

This is similarly objectively wrong, and a fundamental missunderstanding of freedom of speech, in fact in the USA the laws against depictions of cp extend to drawings and animation (https://www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/lolicon-illegal/) so that makes your first point invalid capitalising "LAW" doesnt make you any less wrong

similarly freedom of speech and expression does not mean there are no legal consequences for anything you say, type and create because then criminal confessions would be rendered null, there are limitations, such as the law i linked above

on top of that "i dont care what laws there are in japan" is a fantastic way to ignore the point entirely, well done ⭐

Watsuki is the perfect example that what an author draw is completely unrelated to what he do in the real world. Every author is different, every author have the right to draw whatever they want since nobody is harmed and everybody have the rights to ignore such works.

This is completely divorced from my point, it wasnt about what he drew it was about his reputation in the industry but you cant argue against that either because its true. on top of that no artists dont have the right to draw whatever they want as shown by the law i mentioned above and also depictions of certain things and people

delfection: 2

There is no influence at all, moreover ero loli manga stil exist, even if the censorship is more strong, but neither was an issue in the past and neither is now. The excuse from the detractors is again the fact that people can emulate it, and is about 30 years that i read this crap and since then nothing happened, but this is the only excuse that moralfags can use because they have nothing left, they have no proof, they have no evidence, they have no data, so they continue this farce.

ive already given examples of how saying that past works by previous authors dont have any influence on works after it is just completely incorrect. also is your point now that "people still break the law" ok and? it just means that its still continuing and people are being influeced by things they have read before.

anyway was that next point just that you have been reading what the USA's federal bureau of investigation legally classifies as child pornography and that you are alright? yeah ok dude. also you want further proof that people are influence by what they read before? look at goku who's design was based off sun wukong (Toriyama directly states this if you want to argue that) who then inspired countless, litteraly countless other shounen protags. but you deny that journey to the west had any influence on Toriyama after he read it? you want data there are countless examples. search up any genre and you'll see its all because people read one thing and liked it enough to copy parts of it

also cool it with the homophobia, we get if, you came from the /a/ boards

More and more fantastic theories and fabrications, this is just your personal opinion and grudge against otaku culture and certain works. Nothing you said is true.

everything ive said is true, in fact if you want a direct and easy example of a mangaka inspired by the creations of a pedo look at this, oda based zoro of kenshin it was right there (and i know you're gonna go on a tangent about how kenshin had none of the blah blah blah, thats not the point of this example and you know it) just proof that what i said before was factual.

also yeah i have a grudge agains mf's like you so adamant to (in your own admission )

30 years that i read this crap

read child porn (as legaly defined on the federal level in the united states) that you make the space weird for every one else, its the same grude i have against the weirdos who dont shower before they go to a con, the same grudge i have against the people who stalk cosplayers etc. just be normal

You are a racist and a liar, you just do not like this manga because the author do not write the story how you want and now you blame and insult not only people who like it, defend it or do not give a shit about such trivial matters as ages of fake characters, but also japanese people and their own culture, their law, and what they do in their country. Pathetic.

oh we just onto baseless ad homenim attacks now? ok but just remember you admitted here in writing you watch cp so

Also stop quoting me with this shit, you convince no one and accomplish nothing, i will never agree with your comical and absurd way of thinking based on ignorance and racism, and the more you spread hate against other culture the more you are delusional and pathetic.

im not the one ranting in a thread about his right to read cp man, i mean you can continue to cry while we call you weird tho. imagine trying to take the high ground on the argument of "i want the characters having sex in my media to be of legal age" but on the side against, its crazy. go back to 4chan and mald or smth

 

[Nick86]

Then you're just objectively wrong, if you consume any media at all i shouldnt have to explain how much impact something like yu yu hakusho had on the manga that came after it. in fact you're just being intentionaly obtuse because there is no argument against it.

deflection: 1

If media of any kind have an impact over you then you need mental help asap.

This is similarly objectively wrong, and a fundamental missunderstanding of freedom of speech, in fact in the USA the laws against depictions of cp extend to drawings and animation (https://www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/lolicon-illegal/) so that makes your first point invalid capitalising "LAW" doesnt make you any less wrong

I don't give a shit about US, i do not live there nor manga and anime are created there and so they have to follow that country rules (thank god). If you have issue with the law in your own country is your own problem and you have to fight to change it if is stupid.

similarly freedom of speech and expression does not mean there are no legal consequences for anything you say, type and create because then criminal confessions would be rendered null, there are limitations, such as the law i linked above

Freedom od speech mean that you can create everything as long as you do not harm people, drawing do not harm people since you have the freedom to not read them. This is why freedom of speech exist in the first place, to protect art not individual morals.

on top of that "i dont care what laws there are in japan" is a fantastic way to ignore the point entirely, well done ⭐

Japan have its own law system, if you do not like it is your problem.

This is completely divorced from my point, it wasnt about what he drew it was about his reputation in the industry but you cant argue against that either because its true. on top of that no artists dont have the right to draw whatever they want as shown by the law i mentioned above and also depictions of certain things and people

In Japan is allowed and this is what matter to the fans.

ive already given examples of how saying that past works by previous authors dont have any influence on works after it is just completely incorrect.

Give me real data and studies that japanese media have influence (apart you since you are sick in the head), but indeed you can't because there isn't one.

anyway was that next point just that you have been reading what the USA's federal bureau of investigation legally classifies as child pornography and that you are alright? yeah ok dude. also you want further proof that people are influence by what they read before? look at goku who's design was based off sun wukong (Toriyama directly states this if you want to argue that) who then inspired countless, litteraly countless other shounen protags. but you deny that journey to the west had any influence on Toriyama after he read it? you want data there are countless examples. search up any genre and you'll see its all because people read one thing and liked it enough to copy parts of it

also cool it with the homophobia, we get if, you came from the /a/ boards

You have to provide data since you made the claims, i don't give a shit about searching it since i found your statements lies and fabrications to begin with.

everything ive said is true, in fact if you want a direct and easy example of a mangaka inspired by the creations of a pedo look at this, oda based zoro of kenshin it was right there (and i know you're gonna go on a tangent about how kenshin had none of the blah blah blah, thats not the point of this example and you know it) just proof that what i said before was factual.

You like the word p so much that seems you are really into it right? Uh...

read child porn (as legaly defined on the federal level in the united states) that you make the space weird for every one else, its the same grude i have against the weirdos who dont shower before they go to a con, the same grudge i have against the people who stalk cosplayers etc. just be normal

Real cp have nothing to do with fiction since they are fake characters, fake characters do not have any human rights. You seems really confused.

im not the one ranting in a thread about his right to read cp man, i mean you can continue to cry while we call you weird tho. imagine trying to take the high ground on the argument of "i want the characters having sex in my media to be of legal age" but on the side against, its crazy. go back to 4chan and mald or smth

Go ahead sick retard stalker and write all the walls of text you want, you still are a non factor nobody care to read or reply anymore apart me because you continue to spam and send me notifications.

 

[nhernandez90]

makes no sense she is 16 and he is 18. They look early 20s, both of them.

These mangakas need to touch some grass and talk to women lmao.

 

[Traze]

makes no sense she is 16 and he is 18. They look early 20s, both of them.

These mangakas need to touch some grass and talk to women lmao.

Gee it's almost like this is a fictional mamga set in a fantasy setting that isn't our world. Anime/manga ages have always been like this and insulting mangaka over it is juvenile behavior.

Also at the risk of "no u", people IRL can very much look older than they are or inversely look younger than they are. If you genuinely haven't seen that at least once in your life, you must live somewhere rather secluded or just never paid attention.

 

[AngleBoi7]

Is this the first time we see their last names?

We already knew Roni's for a few chapters.

Prefecture laws usually overrides federal laws, which makes the age of consent in most Prefectures to go from 18 years (like in Tokyo) to 16 in certain places, so no, the age of consent in Japan isn't certainly 13. (It should be 18 all across the board tho)

Federal minimum is 13, Prefactures can set higher AoC, but they can't set lower.

 

[Snickrot]

Nah, it's because you are making it all up.

I will send you a wedding photo in May when we get married. 😉

 

[Snickrot]

Also,

Nah, it's because you are making it all up.

If you look at my mangadex profile, I should have mentioned her before the site went down years ago. Nothing happened when I talked about it last time. Lmao
I will even link it.
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads...n-vol-1-ch-14-5-epilogue.140679/#post-3137205

 

[nhernandez90]

Gee it's almost like this is a fictional mamga set in a fantasy setting that isn't our world. Anime/manga ages have always been like this and insulting mangaka over it is juvenile behavior.

Also at the risk of "no u", people IRL can very much look older than they are or inversely look younger than they are. If you genuinely haven't seen that at least once in your life, you must live somewhere rather secluded or just never paid attention.

I've gone past the "it's fictional and it's valid". I've heard that excuse over the "300yr vampires that look like toddlers".

People can call out creepy projections through others' art, and there's nothing you can do to justify it.

 

[altmaria]

If you look at my mangadex profile, I should have mentioned her before the site went down years ago. Nothing happened when I talked about it last time. Lmao
I will even link it.
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads...n-vol-1-ch-14-5-epilogue.140679/#post-3137205

What that shows is that you have a fixed fantasy that you keep going on mangadex. The telltale sighs are all there, starting with the fact that you feel the need to link yourself "to prove it".

I will send you a wedding photo in May when we get married. 😉

For someone who claims to have a job in a "secure facility" you seem to have a very poor concept of online security. I mean, why would you risk doxxing yourself? Oh right! Fixed fantasy...

 

[Snickrot]

Actually I just like getting people worked up lol. What you believe doesn't really matter to me. I have been taking screen shots of people and their replies and sharing them with friend on discord. You are all just entertainment for me and my friends. Your disbelief especially has been fun. that disbelief is why people like me can do what we do. No one believes us. Thanks for making this week good!

 

[altmaria]

Actually I just like getting people worked up lol. What you believe doesn't really matter to me. I have been taking screen shots of people and their replies and sharing them with friend on discord. You are all just entertainment for me and my friends. Your disbelief especially has been fun. that disbelief is why people like me can do what we do. No one believes us. Thanks for making this week good!

Sure you have. I appreciate you admitting to the farce though.

 

[Snickrot]

Lmao, never admitted anything. But you can believe what you want. I am not going to be goaded into giving away personal info. The wedding photo would be overseas in a small village so I doubt you could find me with that. but if you did it wouldn't matter much because I never broke the law. look the law up yourself. These age gap marriages are legal because to make them illegal, it would interfere with the rights of immigrants as most of the world has aoc at 16.

 

[altmaria]

I am not going to be goaded into giving away personal info.

That's a shame, I was already imagining the post in r/sadcringe:
"Weeb marries kid he brought from Vietnam"

 

[Blaze_Rod]

Considering that it's a fantasy medieval setting it's normal for them, also don't forget in modern UK the consent age is 16.

Weird ass argument. I don't particularly care about age of consent laws and bizarre arguments how apparently things being different elsewhere somehow does not make this even a tiny bit fucking weird. The issue is ultimately that this sudden revelation is completely unnecessary and causes problems in the story.

They have been consistently been portrayed to be at least young adults with the entire mercenary work and the casual fucking those two have going on. Sure, you can argue that it's normal in this fantasy culture that teens go about and hunt monsters and shit, but the entire thing would make more sense if they were actual adults. This is a worldbuilding fail which causes dissonance. It's an additional unnecessary thing that people need to suspend their disbelief for.

Their ages could have not just been told in the manga, and there would be nothing to talk about and the there would be no effect on the quality of the manga.

But then the author had to go and state that these two are teens and make it weird. The story doesn't benefit one bit from this revelation and it just makes the entire thing eyebrow raising.

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Weird ass argument. I don't particularly care about age of consent laws and bizarre arguments how apparently things being different elsewhere somehow does not make this even a tiny bit fucking weird. The issue is ultimately that this sudden revelation is completely unnecessary and causes problems in the story.

They have been consistently been portrayed to be at least young adults with the entire mercenary work and the casual fucking those two have going on. Sure, you can argue that it's normal in this fantasy culture that teens go about and hunt monsters and shit, but the entire thing would make more sense if they were actual adults. This is a worldbuilding fail which causes dissonance. It's an additional unnecessary thing that people need to suspend their disbelief for.

Their ages could have not just been told in the manga, and there would be nothing to talk about and the there would be no effect on the quality of the manga.

But then the author had to go and state that these two are teens and make it weird. The story doesn't benefit one bit from this revelation and it just makes the entire thing eyebrow raising.

I dare you to point to a single chapter where we see them haveing the ball slapping sex that is in view (And I mean in view not fully blacked out and over multiple pages like its a hentai). I bet you can't cause it doesn't exist. At this point I'm convinced all the people with popped monocles were beating their meat to the FMC and suddenly got the spooks when they saw she was 16.

First up its manga style so their age could be 16-almost 40 with how they look are you new to manga? I can't tell you how many series have 16yr olds look similar body proportions to the FMC. Secondly the sex is played as a joke and the fact people are calling people pedos over this is hilarious and shows how sad they really are. I dunno how many isekai or fantasy settings you've watched/read but again the whole going out adventuring at 15 is the usual norm (cause that's adulthood in medevil times) so yes it makes sense with their ages and I also find it funny when you say an 18yr old is a kid still (Yes 18 is a teen but is defo adult age).

I dunno why this series is the one that made people go "Whaaaaaa wha wha Popped monocle" but there are faaar more problematic series they could have done this for but instead focused on a series that your arguments just don't hold up. Like I said many of the popped monocles are for sure going to be they jerked it to FMC and now are like "Oh no thats bad mkay" (Although how or why anyone would jerk/schlick themselves to this series I dunno its not erotic or hentai-y).

 

[Blaze_Rod]

I dare you to point to a single chapter where we see them haveing the ball slapping sex that is in view (And I mean in view not fully blacked out and over multiple pages like its a hentai). I bet you can't cause it doesn't exist. At this point I'm convinced all the people with popped monocles were beating their meat to the FMC and suddenly got the spooks when they saw she was 16.

First up its manga style so their age could be 16-almost 40 with how they look are you new to manga? I can't tell you how many series have 16yr olds look similar body proportions to the FMC. Secondly the sex is played as a joke and the fact people are calling people pedos over this is hilarious and shows how sad they really are. I dunno how many isekai or fantasy settings you've watched/read but again the whole going out adventuring at 15 is the usual norm (cause that's adulthood in medevil times) so yes it makes sense with their ages and I also find it funny when you say an 18yr old is a kid still (Yes 18 is a teen but is defo adult age).

I dunno why this series is the one that made people go "Whaaaaaa wha wha Popped monocle" but there are faaar more problematic series they could have done this for but instead focused on a series that your arguments just don't hold up. Like I said many of the popped monocles are for sure going to be they jerked it to FMC and now are like "Oh no thats bad mkay" (Although how or why anyone would jerk/schlick themselves to this series I dunno its not erotic or hentai-y).

The outrage of this post is hilarious. I made a comment on how this entire thing is just bad plot wise and you go on an insane insecure rant about monocles while repeatedly implying that I'm a naive newbie.

How is "ball slapping sex" in view a requirement? Are you incapable of conceiving things that are not in plain view? It's made abundantly clear that these two are having some serious amounts of sex regularly. What are you arguing for here exactly?

 

[Dwarfy2k]

The outrage of this post is hilarious. I made a comment on how this entire thing is just bad plot wise and you go on an insane insecure rant about monocles while repeatedly implying that I'm a naive newbie.

How is "ball slapping sex" in view a requirement? Are you incapable of conceiving things that are not in plain view? It's made abundantly clear that these two are having some serious amounts of sex regularly. What are you arguing for here exactly?

I don't know how you missed the last many pages of discussion here but you do realise right that you've been agreeing with the monocle poppers. Your last point makes no sense? How is it even eyebrow raising that sex happens offscreen? If your complaint is teens have sex well welcome to teens I guess.

My point was to point out aswell that plot wise it had no effect at all, infact please point to me how their age affects the plot? How does them having sex affect the plot? How would them being older affect the plot? The answer to all of those is simply (I nearly mistyped that as simpy) they don't nor would it. If the characters were hardcore veteren adventurers then sure I'd agree but no they are just adventurers.

 

[altmaria]

I dunno why this series is the one that made people go "Whaaaaaa wha wha Popped monocle" but there are faaar more problematic series they could have done this for but instead focused on a series that your arguments just don't hold up.

Right, the same way you have way too many people in this very thread quickly going "Whaaaaaa wha wha adults can legally fuck underage girls, whaaaaaa wha wha age of consent , fucking tourists whaaaaaa wha wha, let's gatekeep them whaaaaaa wha wha".

Isn't this monocle popping? Oh it is, it pops so hard it shatters: One of them even feels triggered enough to say he's going to marry an underage girl half his age.

Are these reactions more reasonable than saying things like "she's 16? Yikes..."?

For what it's worth, I agree with you, so far this series hasn't been as problematic as others, but I don't think users should use that metric to stop criticizing the author if they think they should, and if they feel it changes the way the story has resonated with them so far. Each story affects the reader in different ways.

Like I said many of the popped monocles are for sure going to be they jerked it to FMC and now are like "Oh no thats bad mkay" (Although how or why anyone would jerk/schlick themselves to this series I dunno its not erotic or hentai-y).

That sounds like you are projecting your own masturbatory experiences, because that's way too weirdly specific.

 

[nhernandez90]

Are these reactions more reasonable than saying things like "she's 16? Yikes..."?

That's what baffles me.

The reactions tell me more about the readers than the manga itself. I really don't care about someone's kinks and fetishes but it's pretty odd how some people would defend someone else's weird artistic liberties.

I called out how the mangaka drew adults and aged them as late teens. That was that; the story and plot itself is just mindless erotica, so they could be labeled as 300y/o vampires and it would be the same. I wasn't directing anything towards the readers because, again, I don't care about you. But you caring enough to write a big-ass rant, justifying the age thing is QUITE specific.

 

[Lucca_R]

Sh…………she’s 16











Oh no

It's medieval times bro, even breathing is optional for a lover.